Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Sorry for the bad typeing, it'shard to type on this tablet.
What exactly is IKECA ?
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Opps, I guess you didn't event this.....sorry
Looks like you stole it from the same Ikeca member some are accusing if Coping you!!! LOLOLOL embarrassed yet?
Now it makes more Sense why Matt was destroying content here. Opps again he forgot that one.
Here's the thread Location
Paranoid
HotShot_Anthony
Greaser of the Year
Tony, I agree with you about helping others. As a matter of fact I've dedicated an entire website to helping hood cleaners get started a long with some advanced stuff. It's called Hood Cleaning Helper.com if you haven't seen it.
Ron... paranoid? I don't get it. This video is when I first discovered how to build my own duct spinner with some help from Dave Olson. Now I sell the plans along with a video on how to do it. I'm paranoid? I don't understand.
Also, why are you posting things about Matt on a board that you know he can't come on here to defend himself? Seems a little chicken you know what.
Anyway, it looks like civil conversation is out the window on this board so I won't be returning and I won't even respond to any posts after this one. Later, have a good life guys. You know where to find me if you need me.
Ron... paranoid? I don't get it. This video is when I first discovered how to build my own duct spinner with some help from Dave Olson. Now I sell the plans along with a video on how to do it. I'm paranoid? I don't understand.
Also, why are you posting things about Matt on a board that you know he can't come on here to defend himself? Seems a little chicken you know what.
Anyway, it looks like civil conversation is out the window on this board so I won't be returning and I won't even respond to any posts after this one. Later, have a good life guys. You know where to find me if you need me.
You won't be missed, chow!
I'm actually running a business. Not pretending I'm a Kec marketing an tech expert after a a couple of years in business.
Anyone ever think putting yourself up as an industry achiever when your not could be held liable.
Last month a guy visits one of these do called teachers after paying his money he finds out they are high. All of them , his entire crew is working high. The poor guy traveled an spent his hard earned money for guidance.
This make all of us look bad.
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Lee_Henderson
New member
As much as i'd like to learn HEC....my research even before i bought the eqipment i have...it's impossible. Every tom, dick,& harry out there seems to be running a fly by night school for this stuff &the all of the want an arm &the a leg for tuition. I was an electrician for 13 years. I hold a backflow prevention testing certification from the AL Dept. Of Environmental Managment & the American Water Works Association. (Cert. AL 5931). I'm one of about only 30 people in the state certified to do backflow prevention surveys. My point is this...itMs not that complex. Why ppl want to charge 8 grand for a 5 day school is beyond me. My training in backflow didnt cost even a grand and there is know way cleaning a vent hood is as complex as judge if you have a dangerous cross connection.
Lee_Henderson
New member
And why do i feel like i just walked into a pissing contest?
You didn't lee, just weeded out some riffraff.
Industry complainers who have done nothing to the industry but take. They are no one important an never will be. They have bad attitudes an most likely there mothers didn't hug them enough.
Frankly I'm sick of all the guys on these many forums who think they understand the business. They maybe have read a few books an now proclaim starting a website charging for the very knowledge they got here. Instead they should be paying it back by sharing the knowledge.
Hippocrates !!!
I'm just going to start exposing the fakes from the real industry leaders.
I don't care what people think, it's a dis-service to the industry.
Please understand I don't do this to hurt anyone, it's to keep others from being hurt.
I've got terrible story's of hard working people wasting money on these type of clowns.
Your thoughts on the original topic are what they are. I don't know you very well, I do know these other jokers an there history is poor.
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Entretien SG
New member
That case is very sad!
And it's just putting another black eye on the KEC'ers that are working their a$$ off and want to be recognize for the quality of their work... Another thing that continue the bad reputation of the KEC industry... Of course there are good KEC contractors out there and I consider myself one of them but I've seen so many bad ones that for somebody looking at this industry from the outside it could be bad!
Like you're saying Ron, KEC'ers should all work together not one against the others, but unfortunatly it's not the case... To be honest, I've ask for advice and tips when I came back to the KEC industry about 2 years ago on other forums and I was not well received by everyone! Instead of answers I was told I could buy the tips or plans...
In an other post on this forum I explained the diffence between the PW community and the KEC community and even if I'm not a PW I would say I rely more on the PW community when I have questions, I don't feel like somebody thinks I'm stealing something from him...
Michael T
Member
I dont understand your Hippocratic accusation against some in the KEC industry. They sell the information they have acquired or developed to the new contractor or those wanting training. Is this any different from the house wash, soft wash, roof wash guys having paid classes? I think not, nothing is free.
Ron, Im saying this because Ive known you long enough to call you a friend in the industry. I have a lot of friends in the industry. Some are close, some are just acquaintances. Here is what I have to say. Give it a rest. Is it really worth your time? Your veiled threats of exposing fakes and and calling people names is tiresome. If people dont agree with you, you make threats. Disgusted or not, do you really want to be the fare play morality police in this industry? Remember when you point your finger at someone there is always 3 pointing back at you.
Ron, Im saying this because Ive known you long enough to call you a friend in the industry. I have a lot of friends in the industry. Some are close, some are just acquaintances. Here is what I have to say. Give it a rest. Is it really worth your time? Your veiled threats of exposing fakes and and calling people names is tiresome. If people dont agree with you, you make threats. Disgusted or not, do you really want to be the fare play morality police in this industry? Remember when you point your finger at someone there is always 3 pointing back at you.
HEYRemember the topic? IKECA?
It seems as though there are more dedicated IKECA members here. One of my questions to the IKECA which always seems to be ignored and never answered is: IKECA put together the HOOD CLEANERS test for Massachusetts. Why are there non hood cleaning questions on the test? Questions that don't have anything to do with the job. It is a hood cleaning exam.
Part (2) Why haven't they been removed and or replaced with a few relevant questions?
It seems as though there are more dedicated IKECA members here. One of my questions to the IKECA which always seems to be ignored and never answered is: IKECA put together the HOOD CLEANERS test for Massachusetts. Why are there non hood cleaning questions on the test? Questions that don't have anything to do with the job. It is a hood cleaning exam.
Part (2) Why haven't they been removed and or replaced with a few relevant questions?
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Doug Rucker
Roundtable Host 2009
I think you may have misunderstood Ron's post. He didn't state the industry, (KEC or otherwise), just inferrred that someone traveled to get training from a teacher only to realize the teacher and crew were HIGH. As in Drug HIGH. At least that's the way I read it.
The very existence of the Grease Police involvement is about this. Comments where made about how they taught IKECA, a few guys here with about 3 years training from another Certification program brought a program to IKECA.
I just made a factual post refuting that was the truth. With FACT!!!!
Just like Anthony thinks Matt Bryan is Banned, why because if he said it then its true.
The truth is Matt Bryan was trusted as Staff here at PWI, then he chose to erase Posts he made along with others in the process. Trust me I wish he was Banned, but because a few Staff members here decided to allow him to remain a regular member. Because the BBS is run by people who volunteer to run it.
Its worked as a pretty good model to this point.
I believe Matt was asked by his Un-named friends not to post here as if that was going to matter. When the TGP acyually left PWI was when the BBS really took off.
The sad part is they continued not to foster people in the business to share but to hide the info. This has done nothing positive to the industry but make more HACKS!!
I will begin a campaign to re-invite the grease community back to PWI slowly.
All Greaser are welcome here, no one will run you off, TGP is DEAD here.
I support all positive groups, this group has not been positive. They attempt to make Claims that are false, in reality nothing they have accomplished other than running good folks from here who wanted to learn was all they succeeded at.
Some are acquaintances , none are real friends. I'm not sure they are even friends to each other. My remarks may offend you if you are a TGP member that ok, I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm just stating my personal opinion of the TGP, no future BS will remain here. No running off Kitchen Exhaust people who are attempting to learn.
IKECA is fostering the future of the industry with some other Industry org's that are real.
I'll admit in the past I tried to look open minded to assist people, you really need to look to see what they really stand for. Track records of individuals of what they have really accomplished not lies they say they are affiliated with.
IKECA is making some real progress, if you do not like the progress get involved. PWNA is doing things as well, if you do not like the movement then change it.
IWCA is way on top of the Cert game, national customer associations with OSHA are involved with them.
More later
Dang Ron. You seem to be really fired up. Nothing wrong with that. I hear that you and Bryan are not on the same page. Some members of TGP really had it in for me too. I am willing to bet not every one was a jerk but they did have some real standouts. Anyway RON, thanks for getting me back in here.
Do you think you could ask one of the inner circle members of IKECA my question?
Do you think you could ask one of the inner circle members of IKECA my question?
Ed its simple join a have a say, of all of you that are confused or just complaining become a member you change what you don't like.
I'm president at the Uamcc.org , many here will start diatribes about how unprofessional my blunt honest comments are not professional or politically correct.
Are you ready for this ? I have not seen one leader in my industry take the bull by the horns. They all have done nothing but claim industry change. The only thing they changed was the revenue stream of a few while further hurting the entire industry.
One of these characters was a tgp leader. Went to Houston 2006 to get only get reprimanded by his own bod. I guess that was a prerequisite to qualify to belong to tgp.
Ed I'm sure you where added to the list of guys who didn't agree with this type of thinking. Or have a guy six months in this business from tgp tell you a Vetran how to clean. Or a kid who took daddy's business over. Funny the kid now is vested in once daddy's biz now it's serious. Why do you think tgp is gone ? Dad through the hammer down , said son keep your cloths on at national cleaning events or at least don't record them on YouTube for our customers to see.
What's Ikeca ? It's your real kitchen exhaust authority in the cleaning biz. It's really the only real one you got. If you don't like it start another. Join it and change it. Or live with it.
Don't support the nut jobs. I advise everyone to look hard at who you follow or counsel for advice. The bbs are great but they have helped foster a ton of fakes.
Ron Musgraves text me for
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I'm president at the Uamcc.org , many here will start diatribes about how unprofessional my blunt honest comments are not professional or politically correct.
Are you ready for this ? I have not seen one leader in my industry take the bull by the horns. They all have done nothing but claim industry change. The only thing they changed was the revenue stream of a few while further hurting the entire industry.
One of these characters was a tgp leader. Went to Houston 2006 to get only get reprimanded by his own bod. I guess that was a prerequisite to qualify to belong to tgp.
Ed I'm sure you where added to the list of guys who didn't agree with this type of thinking. Or have a guy six months in this business from tgp tell you a Vetran how to clean. Or a kid who took daddy's business over. Funny the kid now is vested in once daddy's biz now it's serious. Why do you think tgp is gone ? Dad through the hammer down , said son keep your cloths on at national cleaning events or at least don't record them on YouTube for our customers to see.
What's Ikeca ? It's your real kitchen exhaust authority in the cleaning biz. It's really the only real one you got. If you don't like it start another. Join it and change it. Or live with it.
Don't support the nut jobs. I advise everyone to look hard at who you follow or counsel for advice. The bbs are great but they have helped foster a ton of fakes.
Ron Musgraves text me for
questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute.com
There is what it is!!
This is a generic speech that says specifically nothing. In over 20 years of hood cleaning I have never had one customer ask about my certification until the state made a state certification mandatory. Promoting, influencing, advancing, working to create? All that specifically means what? Pay to be a member. Pay to travel across the country to go to a meeting. Have little or no influence. What financial return does all this rhetoric bring. Just trying to recover the cost of non refundable membership fees and costs and travel and lodging and food is a lot for a small hood cleaner. For what? What do we get from IKECA that will grow our own particular business? We get to meet other bigger hood cleaners? Sit around and listen to big companies pound their chests and try to sell us stuff. Pay to join, pay to get there, pay to stay there, pay to eat, pay to buy stuff, pay to go home for what? Some pieces of paper telling us that we are members? A week of lost work? Sorry I cannot afford it.
How about some successful sales strategies, alternative cleaning opportunities, regulations and governmental bodies to be aware of? Who can help us grow, who can hurt us? Where to go to network. What type of businesses have commercial hoods other than restaurants? How about how to collect, price, advertise, get employees, pay employees, what parallel businesses that might help us and in turn we can help them? How to reduce costs of materials, avoid damaging customers equipment. Where to purchase the best equipment for our tasks, how to repair and when to replace machines. How to turn one job into many. How to sell compatible products. What products can we add on, where can we get them at dealer prices? How to be safe on the job. How to not pay for something that was already broken. How to purchase realistically priced insurance coverage from local companies rather that one out of state designed to squeeze every last penny out of us. All this is stuff that could be turned into profit.
The generic sales pitch says generally nothing. Lets me slightly rephrase " What specifically does IKECA do for the average small hood cleaner? What does it offer that will increase profits and reduce costs?" Isn't that what we want? To make a decent wage, be safe, work for ourselves and support our families.
Well Ed join the www.uamcc.org
Entretien SG
New member
I totally agree with you Ed... IKECA for me is not an option for now and for a long time! Talking about fees, you're in the states, I'm from Quebec, Canada so if it's expensive for you to get to convention, meetings, etc. in order to be in good standings with IKECA. Imagine for me... I simply can't afford the privileges to be an IKACE member! I'm looking at possibly joining the UAMCC at one point in time...