What exactly is IKECA ?

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Once upon a time in a place unknown to men now, IKECA was .......................what? Hood Cleaners, a Hood cleaning school? What?
Now, they live in a large castle, skyscraper, dress like lawyers, or are they lawyers, and dictate rules and regulations which they themselves apparently have no hands on experience with. They have meetings and seminars and fees, lots of fees. And membership fees too. They bring the actual worker bees in for discussions and stuff but who are those people behind the curtain and what do they actually do? Are they on the job people sharing our experiences and helping us understand the new systems being sold to our customers. Are they actually aware of what we are encountering in this day and age, or do they have meetings with preferred companies who are working for themselves? Could it be that they are just paper pushers? Have they lost touch with the businesses that they oversee from above?

They have helped the Massachusetts Dept of Fire Services make up the licensing test for hood cleaners. Thats good. Mostly. But after taking the test for hood cleaners I encountered several questions outside the scope of cleaning and accessibility for cleaning. The NFPA 96 Fire codes cover much more than just cleaning, info such as structure, fire suppression systems, where ductwork should go and not go, on and on. Just tons of non cleaning information. Stuff that we do not usually know or care about because it is outside the scope of our work. If we dare start holding customers accountable for stuff we have no business talking about we can become liable if we are wrong. Things we do not study for because we have absolutely nothing to do with it. So there is the bump in the road, questions on the CLEANERS test that have nothing to do with cleaning. Being that the test was new some glitches are expected but after many hood cleaners expressed a little frustration about the non applicable questions, do you think anything has changed? NOOOoooooo. One would think the IKECA would have heard a few gripes being that they are the IKECA and hold meetings and seminars and tell hood cleaners what should and should not be done. They would be observant and watchful and fix the non applicable questions. One question I have is why did those questions get on the test in the first place? If they are the be all end all for hood cleaners, this is a misstep that hinders qualified people from getting the license they deserve. Perhaps they should come down to the fields and work the grunts for a while.
 
Doesn't matter how much you don't want to be held liable for issues that are not cleaning issues. You will be held liable if you are a cleaner and don't make your customer aware of non cleaning issues that may burn their building down. As much as you want to just be a cosmetic service removing grease because it is ugly and smells bad, it will not change the fact that you are really in fire prevention. Preventing a fire from having fuel to burn. It's time to stop pretending you arent in fire prevention, and learn how to keep your customers educated about the fire hazards in their systems. IKECA does this, teaches their members how to identify these problems, and communicate it to the building owners or managment. Not only to CYA, but to prevent loss of property and life from fires escalating to out of control in a non compliant system. I'm not the biggest fan of IKECA's government and member policies, but I am a fan of their thoroughness in educating the members. They do the best job of this compared to ANY of the other associations I know of.
 
IKECA was started to Save lives? Right

Doesn't matter how much you don't want to be held liable for issues that are not cleaning issues. You will be held liable if you are a cleaner and don't make your customer aware of non cleaning issues that may burn their building down. As much as you want to just be a cosmetic service removing grease because it is ugly and smells bad, it will not change the fact that you are really in fire prevention. Preventing a fire from having fuel to burn. It's time to stop pretending you arent in fire prevention, and learn how to keep your customers educated about the fire hazards in their systems. IKECA does this, teaches their members how to identify these problems, and communicate it to the building owners or managment. Not only to CYA, but to prevent loss of property and life from fires escalating to out of control in a non compliant system. I'm not the biggest fan of IKECA's government and member policies, but I am a fan of their thoroughness in educating the members. They do the best job of this compared to ANY of the other associations I know of.
 
As far as I can tell I am registered as a hood cleaner and I am fully insured as such. Any ventures into things outside my area of expertise and insurance coverage make me personally responsible. This is a sue happy country. A fire in a restaurant or commercial kitchen, no matter what the cause can bring in many lawsuits, frivolous or not. My best chance to remain as protected as I can is to stay within my area. If I do my job, that is making the system grease free and free from grease leakage, well thats a good thing. And my insurance covers me. Anything I stick my nose into beyond that, well............ I was at a seminar where Nelson Dilg and another guy from the mid west were speaking to Fire Marshals and Hood cleaners and others. They said in no uncertain terms, do not get involved in areas outside cleaning if that is not what you do. You can and will be held liable. Enough said for me.

Initially my comment / question IKECA International Kitchen Exhaust Cleaners Association. Their name suggests a definite type of company. Have they stepped way beyond their original companies framework, and become something entirely different than their name suggests? Call there and ask some hood cleaning questions? Get a feel for the company. Has anyone ever visited the actual IKECA office. I am pretty sure there is no hands anything, only paper, tests and offices.
I am just feeling that there is a great misconception of what IKECA is. Maybe just me but I thought it was a hood cleaners school where after you signed up they would train you to be a qualified hood cleaner and give you the absolute best certification available. Now I think that they have become a bureaucracy where there are nothing but people in offices collecting info from preferred customers and using that info on all of us whether or not it applies. They have fees and written tests but a written test sure as he$$ doesn't make you a qualified hood cleaner.
 
IKECA was started to Save lives? Right

Saving lives, preventing fires, making a facility as fire safe as we can. Yes.
My impression of IKECA has been the absolute school for hood cleaners. The best. After calling there and speaking to many of my fellow hood cleaners that impression appears to be incorrect. All they offer is rhetoric, fees and meetings along with written tests. Am I incorrect?
 
Saving lives, preventing fires, making a facility as fire safe as we can. Yes.
My impression of IKECA has been the absolute school for hood cleaners. The best. After calling there and speaking to many of my fellow hood cleaners that impression appears to be incorrect. All they offer is rhetoric, fees and meetings along with written tests. Am I incorrect?

Yeah! Fees and a lot of fees! Fees for membership, testings, meetings, recerts in my case for traveling to the meetings, for the testings...

Don't take me wrong, I understand what you were saying Josh, it seems to be better KEC org on the market but at what price... One thing is for sure they're going for the big guys of the industry and I'm not even close to be there and I'm OK with it! I'm not saying I will never be a part of this org but for now I simply can't!
 
What Does IKECA Do?
IKECA is committed to serve and represent the interests of the commercial kitchen exhaust cleaning industry by:
• Promoting high cleaning and ethical standards
• Providing education and certification opportunities
• Creating a broader awareness of the need for continually improving fire prevention by cooperation with and involving fire departments and the insurance industry
• Positively influencing regulations and governmental actions affecting the industry
• Advancing the safety, image, efficiency, competitiveness and profitability of industry members
• Working to create healthier, cleaner and safer environments in which to operate a kitchen

Why Should I Consider Joining?
With comprehensive certification continuing education programs, IKECA and its members aim to provide quality service and superior results. Their professional expertise is valued by restaurant owners, facility managers, fire marshals, and the insurance industry. As a result, IKECA member companies are able to build a strong competitive edge.

Am I Ready for Certification?
The kitchen exhaust cleaning industry is growing swiftly. IKECA certification programs validate only the experienced and knowledgeable. Ongoing education requirements provide individuals with the means to keep on top of the changes in codes, standards, and technology that affect everyone in the industry.

IKECA certification sets the bar for knowledge and increased field professionalism. An IKECA certification shows a dedication to success, improves your company’s bottom line and enhances individual opportunities for advancement.

What’s Next?
Increasing numbers of municipalities are becoming more safety conscious about commercial kitchen operations. Now and in the future, more jurisdictions and jobs may require IKECA certification for bids and education of all field crews. You need to be ready. If it doesn’t affect your business today, it may tomorrow.

What Else?
In addition to all the valuable educational benefits, IKECA offers extensive networking and business strategy opportunities through the Members Only section of the website, two annual conferences, and multiple digital and print contacts.

Basics on membership for KEC’s:
• Fee: $840 plus a $250 application fee (note we do not prorate fees to join; companies must pay in full. However, we do prorate the second year of membership dues based on their join date. So for example, if Member X joins in March, their second year of membership will be just $630.)
o If a prospect wants to attend the Annual Meeting in San Francisco (if they have never been to a meeting before), IKECA will extend the member rate. In addition, if the prospect joins within 60 days of the conference, we will waive the application fee.)
• Must have one CECS on staff (does not have to be at the time of application, companies have 90 days from submitting their application to get certified. We do honor the member price for these certifications.)
• Must provide proof of: Liability & Completed Operations Insurance (minimum of $2,000,000), Workers Comp Coverage, Vehicle Insurance)

• Membership Brochure: http://www.ikeca.org/sites/default/files/2012_North_American_application_0.pdf
• Annual Meeting Brochure: http://www.ikeca.org/sites/default/files/Annual Meeting Brochure - FINAL.pdf (dates are April 11-14 at the Hilton San Francisco Financial District)
• Registration Form for Annual Meeting: http://www.ikeca.org/sites/default/files/IKECA Registration Form.pdf

Please do not hesitate to contact :

Sarah Hagy, Executive Director
International Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Association (IKECA)
100 North 20th Street, Suite 400
Philadelphia, PA 19103
Direct: 215-558-2361
Fax: 215-564-2175
Email: shagy@fernley.com
Website: http://www.ikeca.org



Registration Now Open! 2012 Annual Membership Meeting
April 11 - 14, 2012
Hilton San Francisco Financial District
San Francisco, CA
 
Thanks Grant for taking the time and being so thorough. Still doesn't answer my questions, only seems to reinforce my view of IKECA. Your presentation is very professional.
 
regarding the liability of non cleaning issues... you can easily CYA by having a deficiency program in place, where you have pictures and documentation of EVERYTHING....you bring those issues up with the customer and explain where your boundaries lie... like the others said.. we are in fire prevention... and it is important to learn all you can about everything... so you can protect yourself and your customers... use any avenue to educate
 
What are your specific questions?

PS. The Board of Directors of IKECA are all kithen exhaust cleaning company people, there are no lawyers that I know of, no castles and I'm pretty sure that there are no skyscrapers.
 
What are your specific questions?

PS. The Board of Directors of IKECA are all kithen exhaust cleaning company people, there are no lawyers that I know of, no castles and I'm pretty sure that there are no skyscrapers.
Thanks, I take it you have been to the Home office then. Glad you cleared that up. My mind gets carried away sometimes.
 
I was in the offices for meetings in January.
 
Saving lives, preventing fires, making a facility as fire safe as we can. Yes.
My impression of IKECA has been the absolute school for hood cleaners. The best. After calling there and speaking to many of my fellow hood cleaners that impression appears to be incorrect. All they offer is rhetoric, fees and meetings along with written tests. Am I incorrect?

I don't think Ikeca trains or teaches anything.


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Thats the feeling I got. Kinda makes me feel like " Don't do as I do, do as I say"
 
Ed, have you ever been to an IKECA meeting?
 
nope, a few of my friends have gone like to LV. Some of the info discussed, he said, which he found helpful didn't have much to do with hood system cleaning. NFPA 96 yes but specifically hood cleaning, no. I really have a difficult enough time absorbing what I need to know without more stuff that I don't want to. Especially after traveling across country.
 
Ed, have you ever been to an IKECA meeting?

Let me ask you this. When you ask someone or some company a question and you get, instead of a direct answer, a salse pitch and lots of rhetoric , yet never a direct answer, doesn't that raise your suspicions?
 
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