Ron Paul For President ?

The people voting for Ron Paul strongly support him. The only time I discuss Ron Paul is inside this thread and when it's necessary and on topic no where else. I honestly have not seen anything spray painted or vandalized from him though. I asked for your views about Bush and like I said I won't reply negative towards them. The one thing that I can't hold back though is how could you agree with Bush being gave the Authority To Sexually Torture American Children?

Sue me...although Bush has been big on tort reform...another reason I like him
 
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Maybe its just my area being around the college that has all the spray paint and plywood signs of him everywhere. I dont really care that you support him. Like I said just dont be like half the others and start calling me every day and flooding my inbox or something. Not saying you would..just kidding around

Not sure what your last sentence is about though. Im assuming your joking...? Might have to elaborate on your comment

Tort reform refers to changes in the law system dealing with tons of frivolous lawsuits. Class action suits where lawyers take 90 percent of a billion dollar settlement and the plaintiffs get a few dollars each. What does torturing children have to do with this?
 
This thread has been an interesting read.
I do not like Huckabee.
Too religious for my tastes.
He sounds like what he once was, a preacher.
The more I hear about Ron Paul, the more I like.
 
I support the tax cuts that he passed amongst some of the other things that Charlie listed.

I wish he took a firmer stance on protecting our borders and some other things that he has let the dems walk all over him with, but for the most part, he has been a good president. That link that you posted is absolutely ridiculous dude!!! Bush and his war crimes blah, blah blah...we were attacked!!! I don't know about you, but if it were up to me, I would have dropped several massive bombs on some of our not so friendly countries after 9/11. It would have been Hiroshima-esk in a couple of places that have names sounding like a cat hocking up a hairball. I have a "Club Git'mo" shirt that I wear proudly, those wastes of human life should have a bullet put through their heads and save us the trouble of them spitting on more of our service men.
 
here is something intresting I saw this morning

WASHINGTON (AP) — Voters began to worry more about their pocketbooks over the last month — even more than about the war in Iraq.

More than half the voters in an ongoing survey for The Associated Press and Yahoo! News now say the economy and health care are extremely important to them personally. They fear they will face unexpected medical expenses, their homes will lose value or mortgage and credit card payments will overwhelm them.

Events, however, can quickly change public opinion. Thursday's assassination of Pakistan opposition leader Be****r Bhutto could draw more attention to terrorism and national security, an issue that still ranked highly with the public and which 45 percent of those polled considered extremely important.

This latest AP-Yahoo! News survey of more than 1,800 people by Knowledge Networks offers a unique opportunity to track changes in public attitudes as the presidential campaign unfolds. The first poll was last month and set a base line to measure national sentiment.

In the new results, men and women approaching retirement were especially attentive to the economy and health care, with six out of 10 ranking both issues extremely important. Politically, the attention to such domestic issues hangs darkly over Republicans. Voters say they are far more likely to trust Democrats to handle the economy and health care.

Consider Linda Zimmerman, a 50-year-old sheep farmer from Thurmont, Md. Her daughter and son-in-law are having trouble keeping up with two mortgages on a town house, she said. One street in her neighborhood has five homes for sale, and one has been on the market for two years.

Registered as a Republican, she's ready to reconsider.

"We're Republicans and I'm very unhappy with them, and I've been watching the Democrats," she said. "We did better when (Bill) Clinton was in than we did with Bush. It's just terrible."

The Democratic edge on such issues illustrates the predicament Republicans face going into a presidential election. Iraq doesn't dominate the news as it used to, replaced by headlines about slumping home sales, high gasoline prices and a credit crunch.

The impact of Bhutto's assassination on public opinion depends on whether Americans perceive her death as an added threat to the United States. Terrorism was the only issue polled that Republicans were trusted to handle better than Democrats.

Republican Rudy Giuliani had benefited most from people's fears of terrorism. But over the past month his level of support dropped, even among voters who said terrorism was an important issue. Giuliani is now trying to get some of those voters back, releasing an ad Thursday that uses images of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack on New York.

All in all, though, voters appear to be weighing other issues at least as heavily as the country heads into the first voting of the presidential election.

Financial worries have risen in prominence. Forty-eight percent of those polled said Social Security is extremely important to them, up from 42 percent in November. That's virtually the same as the 46 percent who considered Iraq extremely important.

These new public concerns are reflected on the campaign trail, where candidates are hitting domestic topics hard. There too, Democrats have an edge over Republicans when it comes to connecting with their core voters.

Overall, 42 percent of Democrats are very or extremely satisfied with the amount of attention their favored candidates are giving to the issues that matter most to them. Only 32 percent of Republicans feel that way about their candidates. Of all the candidates, Democrat Barack Obama gets the best rating among his supporters.

Bill Hine, a 65-year-old Vietnam veteran from Warrenton, Va., considers himself a "soft Republican" who is partial to John McCain. But the nation's health system needs fixing, he said, and he's not happy with what he's hearing.

"A lot of Republicans are just anti-anything, anti-changing anything, and that's one of the things I'll be looking at," he said.

Six out of 10 people polled said they believe it is at least somewhat likely that the U.S. economy will enter a recession next year. Slightly more — 64 percent — said they worried about a major unexpected medical expense, and 55 percent worried that the value of their stocks and retirement investments would drop.

Forty-four percent said they were concerned that the value of their homes would decrease during the next six months. That sentiment was especially strong in the mountain states.

"Middle class America is being chipped away at," said Edward Lemieux, a 57-year-old pattern maker from North Smithfield, R.I., who plans to support Obama for president.

His view is influenced by the flight of manufacturing jobs from his state, by the "For Sale" signs that outnumber the "Sold" signs on neighborhood lawns and by his mother's health care needs.

"We're all of a sudden becoming a country of rich and poor," he said. "The middle class is eroding."

Despite those worries, respondents have grown slightly more optimistic about the direction of the nation during the past month. Nearly three out of 10 say the country is on the right path, compared with 24 percent last month. This uptick in the national mood is evident in both parties, though it's much stronger among Republicans. Still, more than seven out of 10 said they believe the U.S. is headed down the wrong track.

Interest in immigration — a major issue in the Republican presidential contest — remained the same as last month, with 37 percent saying it was an extremely important issue. But for all the candidates' efforts to distinguish themselves on that issue, the poll found that none of the leading contenders holds an advantage among Republicans who feel most strongly about immigration.

Sentiments on health care and the economy could make a difference in the Democratic contest.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards supporters have much stronger feelings about the economy and Social Security than Obama voters. Edwards has staked his campaign on a message of economic populism, while Clinton draws 40 percent of her support from people with household incomes of less than $25,000, far more than her rivals.

Clinton, Obama and Edwards have been feuding over who would provide the most comprehensive health care plan.

Nearly two-thirds of voters polled said the United States should adopt a universal health insurance program "in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers." Fewer, but still a majority at 54 percent, said they supported a single-payer system whereby all Americans would get their health insurance through a taxpayer-financed government plan.

Lynn Haynes, 42, of Huntington, W.Va., works in the state government's welfare department where she sees clients who can't afford health care. What's more, she has a 35-year-old sister who is developmentally delayed and "falls into the cracks" of government assistance programs. She's a registered Republican, likes Giuliani but supports universal health care and is giving Democrats a hard look.

"I see too many people at work especially who just don't get any health care," Haynes said. "I look at what they get for retirement and Social Security, and I don't see how they live on that and afford their prescriptions."

The survey of 1,821 adults was conducted from Dec. 14-20, and had an overall margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points. Included were interviews with 847 Democrats, for whom the margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3.4 points, and 655 Republicans, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.8 points.

The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it for free.
 
Its too bad everyone isn't required to take a basic economics course. Then we wouldn't have people like in that article who think the president controls everything in the economy. I have an idea! Lets blame republicans for the millions of greedy people who decided to buy homes way beyond their means! I learned the not to spend money I dont have when I was 5 years old. Not a hard concept.

Ms sheep farmers quote: "We did better when (Bill) Clinton was in than we did with Bush. It's just terrible."

Wow what an analysis!! She probably keeps her sheep farming money under a mattress too. Apparently in her mind the president in the only factor in controlling economics. So much for monetary policy and automatic stabilizers.

The problem is that a lot of people dont seem to think of the consequences of what they want. The article says 7 out of 10 people dont like the direction the country is going. That should be prime ground for someone like Ron paul who proposes so much change. But you know why he'll never win? People dont know what they want. Talk is cheap. All these people want reform in the government or more independance or whatever. But as soon as jobs start dissapearing and houses dont sell, people come running back to the government to fix it.
 
Lincoln and FDR declared Martial Law without consent. You made the point that Bush wanted this "law" so he can do what with it?
 
Does it ever really matter whom gets elected? Democratic elections require popular vote.. ie say what you think the people want to hear then position and maneuver your way into office.. once you get there, change nothing, offer nothing and keep the country divided over whom is doing the right thing. I gave up the politics game years ago. Its a battle of wills and egos. I refuse to offer dispute and create bad feelings being passionate about a bunch of liars with agendas. I'd just as soon reset the economy with a monarchy.. buh bye welfare, lawsuits and overpaid music/sports/entertainment stars.


I often voice my opinion on politics, but I totally agree with Kens Statements. We have politicians ALL politicians that just divide and really accomplish nothing much and They ALL will say anything to get elected and then do what they want when they get in or actually do very little. Many great empires have lasted about 250 years, America isnt far away from that mark. I can see the decline of a great empire coming (America) I hope I'm wrong for my childrens sake

I will still vote for who I think is the lesser of two evils, I just wish I could vote for someone I truly, like, trust and would do good for our great country
 
"Bush being gave the Authority To Sexually Torture American Children?"

Matt - Were you drinking when you came up with this absurd statement.
 
Every single ones of your posts are stupid and off topic. Do you have a real issue to discuss or something you want to prove me wrong on?

Like this post for example:
Lincoln and FDR declared Martial Law without consent. You made the point that Bush wanted this "law" so he can do what with it?

great point..... now why don't you tell me??? he's the one that passed it. Do you walk with a blind stick?
 
"stupid and off topic"

Well that is the last post you will get from me-you have a fine day.
 
Better yet the next time you call anyone stupid or anything close, your post will be deleted-understand - if you have a problem with that call a minister. You should show members a little more respect - with all your vast experience in the world and all you should give us a little time to catch up - Other than that you have a fine day.:mad:
 
And my point about ron paul supporters is proven again. Better go read the blogoshpere and watch youtube some more matt. Maybe his millions of dollars of support will get him supporters that can formulate a decent talking point
 
You stumped me on that one Charlie. I'm off to youtube. Where it's alternative news and free to view and post whatever, at least for now.

David I like to hear everyones opinions on things. It's educational... What I said was disrespectful my apology. Bush Torturing American children is a little absurd but it wouldn't put it passed me if he did. It's a corrupt world man. I've researched and have even lost sleep thinking about this stuff. For awhile I didn't believe it either but from researching it so much from the passed and seeing what happening today it comes together like a giant puzzle. Do I want this to be true? No. I wouldn't sit here on the forum making fake believe information up to make people think I'm a loony toon. I have a lot of education movies about this stuff if you or anyone else wants me to send them a couple I would be happy too. Ken F. is right on his post. The only difference is I haven't lost hope. It's sad to say though there pretty much isn't any.
 
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Apologize accepted – Being 62 I have seen this conspiracy since the 1960’s with the Kennedy’s, Area 54, None Lunar Landing, Fahrenheit 911 along with countless gloom and doom high level plans to take our freedom away. We seem to pull through it without a word from those that proclaim.

Your statement about martial law is a good example – is the bet on. He will leave office and a new person will take over. Its that simple-we are in good shape – get a good nights sleep-we will weather the storm just fine.
 
Apologize accepted – Being 62 I have seen this conspiracy since the 1960’s with the Kennedy’s, Area 54, None Lunar Landing, Fahrenheit 911 along with countless gloom and doom high level plans to take our freedom away. We seem to pull through it without a word from those that proclaim.

Your statement about martial law is a good example – is the bet on. He will leave office and a new person will take over. Its that simple-we are in good shape – get a good nights sleep-we will weather the storm just fine.



Big Business runs this country period. You guy's can argue all day long about these puppets of corruption you call candidates and or presidents.

I love this country as much as the next guy, but lets face it the huge corporations and thier political payoffs have determined the outcome of America since the great depression of the early 30's.

We as a people need to take this country back, and remove the old school thinking and corruption they call government.:mad:
 
Big Business runs this country period. You guy's can argue all day long about these puppets of corruption you call candidates and or presidents.

I love this country as much as the next guy, but lets face it the huge corporations and thier political payoffs have determined the outcome of America since the great depression of the early 30's.

We as a people need to take this country back, and remove the old school thinking and corruption they call government.:mad:

Yup, I pretty much agree with all that.
 
I will not vote for any Democratic candidate and unless Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination I won't vote Republican either. I have not done a lot of research on Ron Paul yet but I like what I have heard so far.

If you think people like Paul sound looney its because we have been so dumbed down as a nation about what this country was intended to be that when we hear how the founders envisioned things to be it sounds crazy.

We need to be out of the U.N, out of crazy treaties like L.O.S.T., we need to stop policing the world, taxing people to death, giving our national soverignty away and selling the soul of this country for a quick buck.

Neither party is going to do that. I will be hard pressed to ever vote for any mainstream candidate again.
 
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