Rapid HotClean
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Tony, don't worry about it. Both of those dweebs have to order custom hats because standard off the rack sizes are too large.
PWNA caught in Gross Misrepresentation to Industry and Authorities
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Tony, don't worry about it. Both of those dweebs have to order custom hats because standard off the rack sizes are too large.
Christopher
Moderator
One very sad thing is that even with all the proof of the pwna and Robert Hinderliter lying about the OC issue, there are people that will still believe him blindly and say that the UAMCC is just lying about Robert and the pwna, making up stuff, trying to interfere, etc.....
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Let me translate this.
John is saying "Pwna got caught here just like they did in Las Vegas. We will be more careful and quiet next time in Dallas, or Orlando, or Nashville or Oklahoma City".
Is this really the path the PWNA members want to take?
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Scott Stone
New member
What John is clueless about is that under federal law, all governmental communication is considered public information. That means that if you wanted to, you could go to your local city hall, and just like the big boy reporters, you could request all information between any government official, including the President, and any particular person, and they would be required to give you a copy, for the cost of printing it out. The only exception is national security.
That being said, I have heard that John is calling me out on other boards. I am not going there anymore, because there is too much negative behavior towards me that is allowed. He has also claimed that he is going to get my email to OC. Three people have been sent the email. None of them have been John. Why? Because he has not had the good sense to ask for it. I would send it to him without a problem, but I don't know what email address he uses.
Others are saying that I did the wrong thing by contacting OC. Funny thing is, that is one of my target markets if I choose to expand. It is an hours flight away, and they have contracts of sufficient size to attract my interest. I have every right to inquire, if only for that reason.
If they weren't so intent on trying to be better than Ron, my guess is there would be a lot more subjective conversation. It is amazing what people will crawl in bed with, just because they got their feelings hurt.
That being said, I have heard that John is calling me out on other boards. I am not going there anymore, because there is too much negative behavior towards me that is allowed. He has also claimed that he is going to get my email to OC. Three people have been sent the email. None of them have been John. Why? Because he has not had the good sense to ask for it. I would send it to him without a problem, but I don't know what email address he uses.
Others are saying that I did the wrong thing by contacting OC. Funny thing is, that is one of my target markets if I choose to expand. It is an hours flight away, and they have contracts of sufficient size to attract my interest. I have every right to inquire, if only for that reason.
If they weren't so intent on trying to be better than Ron, my guess is there would be a lot more subjective conversation. It is amazing what people will crawl in bed with, just because they got their feelings hurt.
Christopher
Moderator
Let me translate this.
John is saying "Pwna got caught here just like they did in Las Vegas. We will be more careful and quiet next time in Dallas, or Orlando, or Nashville or Oklahoma City".
Is this really the path the PWNA members want to take?
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I really don't think the paying members of the pwna have a choice, what the owner of the pwna wants, he does or gets. The members do nothing, they say nothing, they just keep paying their money and maybe some hope things change but unless they take a stand or quit that owners' organization, nothing will ever change. That has been the way it has been for years.
When you want to be in an organization that will listen to you, you have a say and a vote in a professional cleaning organization.......UAMCC.
Sad but the truth, they have opportunity to prove otherwise.
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Rance
Active member
My point exactly in my earlier post.
Why would anyone stay associated with an org that has lied over and over again to its members. Why keep paying money to a group of people who are evidently greedy, selfish and with no moral values or integrity. I'm sorry but I can't understand that form of thinking.
Could it be that the majority of its membership doesn't really have a clue as to what is going on with their own org? Are the leaders of that org so smart to be able to hide their shenanigan's from its members?
Maybe. The Federal Gov't. has been doing it for decades. It's truly sad.
There's interest At Uamcc , we need a vote on a subject there.
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Christopher
Moderator
Maybe the members over there think that there is some kind of "prestige" or "status" by being a member over there?
Maybe they are clueless about what the owner of the org has been doing for many years now?
Maybe they are all aware of what is going on and have no conscience or scruples and don't care about anyone or anything?
Just some questions.
Maybe they are clueless about what the owner of the org has been doing for many years now?
Maybe they are all aware of what is going on and have no conscience or scruples and don't care about anyone or anything?
Just some questions.
DunRite
New member
I believe its a combination of all of the above coupled with the fact that some members don't really pay attention to boards and what goes on because maybe it dont affect them..Some shrug there shoulders and dont want to get involved and are members for other reasons.
Then there is the RON/UAMCC factor...Because this was exposed by him and the UAMCC BOD and there genuine disdain for him they cant accept it. If Ron tells them its downpouring rain outside and shows them they will contort it that its really just drizzling..All because who said it and where it came from..
Guy Blackmon
Roundtable Host 2009
Well Said Scott, you hit the nail smack dab on the head with that one.
Rance
Active member
Not sure what you mean by needing a vote on a subject there. ???
Well at this point that part of this industry no one is taking serious anymore!
Pwna dream Team! "Keep dreaming "
I've lived the dream of contract cleaner for 30 years , it's all over in a few days. I move on to something different.
Yes it involves my Sons!
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Maybe this is part of the problem. Here is more of Jim Gamble's psychotic rambling.
First off, if any one wants to know who I have talked to I am more than happy to share that information.
I already said I have not spoken with anyone at all in Orange County until last week after Roberts announcement.
When there is doubt about what a pwna committee member has done, its real simple. File the foia and get all the emails, and call the ahjs and ask them.
Unfortunately, when we do that, we always find hidden correspondence and embarrassing emails from the Pwna to the ahjs.
I challenge the pwna to muzzle their incompetent investigators till the get the results of the foia or after they get written information from the ahjs as we did in our responsible investigation of this.
You have been warned. I have already answered the question. I had NO BMPs to "shop" and I spoke to no one at all in Orange county prior to last week. One more accusation like this from your west coast committee chair and I will hold the president of the Pwna personally responsible for his dereliction of duty allowing an unproven lie to continue.
And further you might want to think very carefully about a character who thinks it is OK to make it a practice to meet privately outside ahj offices.
I have NEVER met with an ahj outside of their offices unless it was to show them something that couldn't be shown on premises.
You are asking for all kinds of legal issues if you allow the amateurish tactics Gamble uses.
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First off, if any one wants to know who I have talked to I am more than happy to share that information.
I already said I have not spoken with anyone at all in Orange County until last week after Roberts announcement.
When there is doubt about what a pwna committee member has done, its real simple. File the foia and get all the emails, and call the ahjs and ask them.
Unfortunately, when we do that, we always find hidden correspondence and embarrassing emails from the Pwna to the ahjs.
I challenge the pwna to muzzle their incompetent investigators till the get the results of the foia or after they get written information from the ahjs as we did in our responsible investigation of this.
You have been warned. I have already answered the question. I had NO BMPs to "shop" and I spoke to no one at all in Orange county prior to last week. One more accusation like this from your west coast committee chair and I will hold the president of the Pwna personally responsible for his dereliction of duty allowing an unproven lie to continue.
And further you might want to think very carefully about a character who thinks it is OK to make it a practice to meet privately outside ahj offices.
I have NEVER met with an ahj outside of their offices unless it was to show them something that couldn't be shown on premises.
You are asking for all kinds of legal issues if you allow the amateurish tactics Gamble uses.
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Doug Rucker
Roundtable Host 2009
Maybe this is part of the problem. Here is more of Jim Gamble's psychotic rambling.
First off, if any one wants to know who I have talked to I am more than happy to share that information.
I already said I have not spoken with anyone at all in Orange County until last week after Roberts announcement.
When there is doubt about what a pwna committee member has done, its real simple. File the foia and get all the emails, and call the ahjs and ask them.
Unfortunately, when we do that, we always find hidden correspondence and embarrassing emails from the Pwna to the ahjs.
I challenge the pwna to muzzle their incompetent investigators till the get the results of the foia or after they get written information from the ahjs as we did in our responsible investigation of this.
You have been warned. I have already answered the question. I had NO BMPs to "shop" and I spoke to no one at all in Orange county prior to last week. One more accusation like this from your west coast committee chair and I will hold the president of the Pwna personally responsible for his dereliction of duty allowing an unproven lie to continue.
And further you might want to think very carefully about a character who thinks it is OK to make it a practice to meet privately outside ahj offices.
I have NEVER met with an ahj outside of their offices unless it was to show them something that couldn't be shown on premises.
You are asking for all kinds of legal issues if you allow the amateurish tactics Gamble uses.
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You'd think he consider the ramifications and consequences of making stuff up...PWNA once had a rule that BOD's could not post on forums...perhaps they should go back to that...for liability purposes.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
The only speaking the Pwna should be doing at all is an unequivocal formal apology to every man and woman in this industry.
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Christopher
Moderator
Maybe this is part of the problem. Here is more of Jim Gamble's psychotic rambling.
First off, if any one wants to know who I have talked to I am more than happy to share that information.
I already said I have not spoken with anyone at all in Orange County until last week after Roberts announcement.
When there is doubt about what a pwna committee member has done, its real simple. File the foia and get all the emails, and call the ahjs and ask them.
Unfortunately, when we do that, we always find hidden correspondence and embarrassing emails from the Pwna to the ahjs.
I challenge the pwna to muzzle their incompetent investigators till the get the results of the foia or after they get written information from the ahjs as we did in our responsible investigation of this.
You have been warned. I have already answered the question. I had NO BMPs to "shop" and I spoke to no one at all in Orange county prior to last week. One more accusation like this from your west coast committee chair and I will hold the president of the Pwna personally responsible for his dereliction of duty allowing an unproven lie to continue.
And further you might want to think very carefully about a character who thinks it is OK to make it a practice to meet privately outside ahj offices.
I have NEVER met with an ahj outside of their offices unless it was to show them something that couldn't be shown on premises.
You are asking for all kinds of legal issues if you allow the amateurish tactics Gamble uses.
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Wow! I am not even sure what to say about that clown.
Changing what you said to make up that Tony was shopping bmp's is just showing how idiotic he really is.
Admitting that he routinely meets ahj's out of their office to try to influence them is out of the ordinary to say the least.
Making up something like the UAMCC members are asking Tony to stop shopping bmp's is a new low, how many lies will this Jim Gamble make up? How many lies does Jim Gamble have to come up with in a single thread?
I don't understand why Jim Gamble would have to make up lies like that unless it is to misdirect the attention away from him and the fiasco of the pwna and Robert Hinderliter?
I don't see why Jim Gamble would make up lies like that, anyone have any ideas?