PWNA caught in Gross Misrepresentation to Industry and Authorities

Tony Shelton said:
I thought we were finally going to be closer to working together on this for the betterment of the industry. When we first found out about this the UAMCC bod and executive board had multiple emergency meetings about it to act quickly and shore up any damage.

It has been a month and a half now since Ty asked me to send the reasons we (contractors on the boards) rejected Robert Hinderliter's BMPs.

Three email contacts later to Ty and the PWNA president including links to our 2011discussions here and there has been zero response back except for a thank you and a promise to get back to me a month and a half ago.

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Rance said:
As much as I wish they would,they're not going to work with us now or anytime in the near future.
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Guy Blackmon said:
Tony, I know we all would of liked to see the PWNA get in front of this and taken a real Leadership role in correcting the damage that was done to our Industry in this situation....but as usual the PWNA acts by not acting, leads by not leading.

I think their stance was revealed by a members post on another board......to continue their course of action without announcing or making public what they're doing.

Personally I don't expect anything from them.
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Other than in name, does the PWNA any longer exist? Certainly not as an industry leader.
 
So, With the PWNA lying, spreading lies by their BOD, not responding to requests to work together or to help them, not responding to requests to quit interfering in other member's cities, and lying about not shopping their bmp's to cities around the country, what are we supposed to think now?

I would think that they would care about the industry to put a halt to their BOD members spreading lies, quit interfering with city bmp's where they are not welcome, quit calling contractors polluters and the other nonsense that they are doing.

I just don't know what to think about them and their continuous lies.
 
Rapid HotClean said:
Other than in name, does the PWNA any longer exist? Certainly not as an industry leader.
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They think they are.

Their western environmental liaison caught wind of the water restrictions coming to California via another local contractor who went with him to the meeting. The other contractor who is not a member of any org was somewhat successful in fighting for powerwashers and singlehandedly was able to delay restrictions and get them temporarily limited to driveways and houses. Jim, As usual just wanted to talk about Jim. He was willing to take the time to drive 30 or so miles from his house to attend the meeting even supplying the media with a video of his ridiculous representation of power washing. Skip to the 2 minute mark to see his concern for others in the industry here. (Sarcasm)

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...-Stiff-Fines-for-Water-Wasters-267254521.html

I am in Sacramento this week representing the UAMCC and all contractors in the state hoping to be able to show them that oil spills on driveways and algae on houses are just much a health and safety issue as cleaning dumpsters. We also brought documentation and a presentation that should convince them to promote cleaning by professional washers during this critical time due to the reduced amounts of water power washers use as opposed to hose washing.

The resolution has been passed, but it hasn't been written and doesn't go into effect till next month so this week is critical.

Shelly is here also and will be communicating with them as a potential Nevada Assembly member to offer input from Nevada and get some insight from the California legislators as this drought moves east to Nevada.

Say some prayers that we are successful in showing them that power washers are not only their partners in environmental concerns, but are, by nature of our business, water conservationists also. We should be promoted during times like these to help SAVE water.



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Prayers sent Tony, I hope you and Shelly have success in spreading the truth and helping contractors out there.
 
Thanks Tony and praying for you both


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We need something concrete we can carry on us when we work. Otherwise, as it stands each jurisdiction can use their own rules. That is why I an starting here at the capitol. If that doesn't work it will mean a long week of going down the whole state trying to get something in writing from each jurisdiction. There is nothing worse than working under uncertainty.

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We saw how that turns out in Houston.

I am also going to the media to hopefully get some publicity to show how much water we actually conserve. The UAMCC committee in California has been getting the info ready for this for the past few days.

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chrishartje said:
Tony, you say there are temporary restrictions on driveways and houses?
The gentleman I spoke with yesterday from the water conservation program told me as long as a pressure washer is used it is ok to wash a house or a driveway! Was he wrong?


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I have spoken to a few cities as well about all this...some of the individuals I know as we have had previous contact with them in the past. In all of them that I spoke to not one had a clear answer. Some said they don't know what is allowed. Others said that they are just going to follow whatever the Water Resource Board tells them to do. Some cities (L.A.) are actually hiring individuals to patrol L.A. and issue warnings and citations.

I want to take a moment and thank Tony for driving all the way from Vegas to Sacramento to get face to face with the folks in Sacramento. I have seen and read through all the different literature that the UAMCC has prepared for us washers in California relating to this situation and I have to say that the message is very compelling. Scott S., Tony, Ron and Jerry - thanks guys.
 
You too Carlos. This is a group effort.

For the guys in Maryland you need to get with Bill Booz about what is coming up I'm a few short months regarding the runoff tax and get on the mailing list of the authority dealing with the proposed runoff tax so we can develop a plan to combat it. The public has a very bad misconception about how much water we actually use to clean.

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We can deal with health and safety cleaning issues. If any heavy duty cosmetic cleaning jobs like this one come up the other org can deal with those.
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chrishartje said:
Tony, you say there are temporary restrictions on driveways and houses?
The gentleman I spoke with yesterday from the water conservation program told me as long as a pressure washer is used it is ok to wash a house or a driveway! Was he wrong?


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From what I have seen, and things could change, there are a very few guidelines, but your local community or city is responsible for setting the standards for your area. I did find it interesting that thee was a specific exclusion for parking garage cleaning. Even funnier that the guy fighting it reuses no water and advocates (illegal) use of a fire hose to rinse.
 
Where did you find the exclusion for parking garage cleaning Scott? I was told there were no work specific exemptions as of yet.

If Jim went to the meeting and came out with one exemption, that being HIS field of cleaning, that would be a sad commentary on the priorities of an org BOD.

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Here you go guys : "The rules include exemptions for public health and safety, such as allowing cities to power-wash alleyways to get rid of human waste left by homeless people, to scrub away graffiti, and to remove oil and grease from parking structure floors."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26029302/c...-water-wasters
 
Here is the issue we are dealing with Igor. The rules still forbid "hard surface cleaning". AND it states there is nothing on the rule to keep local authorities from imposing more stringent rules.

It also exempts "health and safety cleaning" but doesn't define what that is. That could go in our favor, BUT, knowing what we have to deal with concerning local enforcement and EPA standards it is more likely to cause the "ticket them and let the judge sort it out" mentality.

There is no written exemption for garage cleaning in the finished rules. That is an assumption made by the media at this point.


What we need is an affirmative defense. That is what I am here trying to get at the state level. If we could get that we could work without worry that some local enforcement agent is going to interpret it the wrong way and stop us in the middle of a job. If we have that defense in our pocket, the chances of a local enforcement agent stopping work or ticketing is almost zero.
As it stands any individual who calls in and complains is likely to result in a ticket and it would be up to A court to decide whether it is health and safety related. A straight put exemption across the board for professional and licensed powerwashers is what we need. Both for legal reasons and to educate the public.

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