mistersqueegee
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Kris I call you a kid or young guy because it's how you act. You might not like it but that's the way it is.
Look what it Took to Make E-clean today, this is my rewards after 30 years
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mistersqueegee
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Actually it's that I know who really sent you over here. It's Chris' obsession with Ron that the real reason you are here in the first place. As for the last sentence I'm sure you believe that which is sad enough in itself.
Allison Hester
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I believe I already mentioned this myself in my response to Tony earlier in this series of questions when he asked if I lied about the garage cleaning event. I'll go back and find it in a minute. I already told the garage cleaning committee I was personally unhappy the garage cleaning didn't happen. I'm entitled to my opinion. Were there others who were there upset? I'm sure some were, but the ones I personally spoke with said the lack of getting to clean did not overshadow the value of the event. I know Rob Carey was a bit unhappy, but over dinner that night with Rob and two other well-respected, long-time contractors all agreed they had gotten the information they had come to get and were glad they came. It was worth attending. Did I leave out the fact that the garage cleaning portion of the event fell through? No. Was I the one who would benefit from getting to clean a garage? No. Do I ever see myself cleaning a garage? No. So did my opinion really even matter? Not really. Did I lie in my article? No. It was not an op-ed piece. I didn't have to voice my personal feelings on it. The people I interviewed said they got what they wanted from the event and that's what I reported.
Hidden from the Story Allison, the truth about what the Garage cleaning Event Didn't do Bothered you.
I would have Never Posted this Allison as you and I were friends, you decided to go on and assault. Witch hunt like Mike Hilborn, maybe you have been done by the Same People?
Here's what I said yesterday on this same topic. Again, none of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
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Allison Hester
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Here's what I said yesterday on this same topic. Again, none of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
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Allison Hester
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Thanks Kristopher. This was going to be my next point. None of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
But the article got written as a Pwna event despite no mention of it prior, second a bod member I know said no authority to use it was given.
This history repeats itself, why because dollars to publish mean more that telling the reality.
Perhaps this is why when people see events publish after the fact the don't believe the success because its fudged.
Promotional prior and the facts after are two different headline.
Three different instances of discrepancy in factual information and untruth.
Have a good day Allison !!
I'm through points all made, either context is wrong or you lied. The difference is everyone makes mistakes openly and admittedly. I'm not perfect and neither are you.
I have no comments further points today , busy
Oct event San Diego free free text me for more details !!
Allison Hester
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No, from the gitgo I didn' t know everything that had been decided upon. I knew the parts that were relevant to the editorial-portions of the business -- that you agreed to provide us with a written contract, and that you agreed to supply us with a written article and an ad, then we would place those in the magazine. I knew that because not only did Paul relay that to me, you wrote it in an email to me. And then I knew you accused me publicly of not following through on my end of the deal of running articles for UAMCC when no articles had been given to me (and again, neither had the contract).
Allison Hester
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I am not sure what you are even referring to here. Attached is the article that ran. PWNA is never mentioned. Not sure why a BOD member would need to approve it if it wasn't reported as a PWNA event.
And once again, none of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
Allison Hester
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Again, the screen shot you keep posting is partial. You've left out your comment beforehand. I will post it once again, and I'm going to type out what it says for all the onlookers who do not want to have to log in to see it. Here's what it says -- Ron Musgraves: If I sent you a file do I have your word not to share? WELL? Allison Hill Hester: If you really want me to see it, I give you my word. I can send you a confidentiality agreement. I am not just not sure what it's about or why I need to see it. The statement Ron keeps referring to is about a single file, which I did not share. Just because I am a writer does not mean that everything I receive is automatically confidential. That's why I keep confidentiality agreements on file. And again, none of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
Josh_Cronin
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Ho hum...Here is the paranoia again. Because of people like you who think there are different "camps" and people can't be just here to learn is the reason I don't post here anymore. Everyone is out to get you right? Everyone. The problem is that people can't speak there mind anymore with you or anyone here. EVIL Chris is sitting over Micheal ( and his name IS Michael, not mike) rubbing his hands together telling him what to write.
Really Allison, thats great you have pointed that out.
Yes Allison is a private section of UAMCC members only I address issues, you FREAKED OUT...you said your not doing anything for us. I apologized for being Harsh with you & fired you from our original Goals.
I asked Nichole to just buy ads because its much easier, you posted this CRAP...of our private conversations.
I will seek Damage from you and PAUL...
You have Removed the other PWNA article ...LOL Nice
I think this Thread as Stated Earlier is Done.
Josh this has nothing to do with Thad or Chris YET.
Your Boss has not been Addressed yet Josh
Josh_Cronin
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JAB...Not bosses Ron...Friends, as were you and Tony, until I became evil and brainwashed. Remember?
Josh your a Salesmen for his Company, that means he is your boss. No question your he is your friend.
Tony Shelton
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Allison, you can keep calling me a liar over and over again. Repeating yourself won't make it any more true.
Anyone who can read can see your magazine is heavily slanted towards the PWNA.
Here, don't take this "liar's" word for it. Look for yourself. In all the clickable issues on your website, about 10 issues how many references to the PWNA do you think there are?
Care to guess?
Anybody?
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How many references to the UAMCC?
Guesses?
After all the promotion of your magazine by PWI, the UAMCC, and Ron, himself, PERSONALLY......
How many Allison?
You'd think there would be at least a few, since articles were written about Steven Button, Paul Kassander, Linda Chambers, Tony Evans, Seal n Lock, Carlos Gonzales,Scott Stone, Doug Rucker, Morgan Booz, Craig Harrison, even a cover picture with UAMCC member Matt Norman.
How many mentions of the UAMCC Allison?
3
Three mentions of the UAMCC in ten issues.
All while your (or Paul's, I can't keep it straight) magazine is being promoted by Ron, consistently month after month. As promised.
Bought and paid for. That is a true statement.
Keep calling me a liar if it makes you feel better for taking and not giving. Keep calling me a liar if if makes you sleep at night knowing that somehow a "written contract" not being provided allows you to take and not give without any remorse.
Bought and paid for.
I stand by it.
It is a true statement.
Numbers don't lie.
I guess it's possible you didn't even know the extent of it yourself. Many times people get used without their even knowing it. Just ask Mike Hilborn.
Anyone who can read can see your magazine is heavily slanted towards the PWNA.
Here, don't take this "liar's" word for it. Look for yourself. In all the clickable issues on your website, about 10 issues how many references to the PWNA do you think there are?
Care to guess?
Anybody?
59
How many references to the UAMCC?
Guesses?
After all the promotion of your magazine by PWI, the UAMCC, and Ron, himself, PERSONALLY......
How many Allison?
You'd think there would be at least a few, since articles were written about Steven Button, Paul Kassander, Linda Chambers, Tony Evans, Seal n Lock, Carlos Gonzales,Scott Stone, Doug Rucker, Morgan Booz, Craig Harrison, even a cover picture with UAMCC member Matt Norman.
How many mentions of the UAMCC Allison?
3
Three mentions of the UAMCC in ten issues.
All while your (or Paul's, I can't keep it straight) magazine is being promoted by Ron, consistently month after month. As promised.
Bought and paid for. That is a true statement.
Keep calling me a liar if it makes you feel better for taking and not giving. Keep calling me a liar if if makes you sleep at night knowing that somehow a "written contract" not being provided allows you to take and not give without any remorse.
Bought and paid for.
I stand by it.
It is a true statement.
Numbers don't lie.
I guess it's possible you didn't even know the extent of it yourself. Many times people get used without their even knowing it. Just ask Mike Hilborn.
Allison Hester
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I haven't removed anything. I don't know what article you're referring to, but I assure you I haven't changed anything. Feel free to search our archives to find it.
Allison Hester
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If we had gotten written articles and a written contract as agreed upon, UAMCC's mentions would have been much higher.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Using your logic I have come up with a new excuse for adultery that the PWNA reps can use after events.
Here it goes;
"I know we made marriage vows, but the vows said "to have and to hold" and I have documented the fact that you did not, in fact, "hold" me on numerous occasions. I can't be held responsible for your failure to do what you said you were going to do."
What do you think Allison?
You will save thousands of marriages with this thought process. You should copyright it and post it in your PWNA magazine.
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Here it goes;
"I know we made marriage vows, but the vows said "to have and to hold" and I have documented the fact that you did not, in fact, "hold" me on numerous occasions. I can't be held responsible for your failure to do what you said you were going to do."
What do you think Allison?
You will save thousands of marriages with this thought process. You should copyright it and post it in your PWNA magazine.
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