Look what it Took to Make E-clean today, this is my rewards after 30 years

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Allison Hester said:
If we had gotten written articles and a written contract as agreed upon, UAMCC's mentions would have been much higher.
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We never had any agreement. remember?

Everything I did for you was a branch I extended to you. You chopped the tree down!!!!

Enjoy your New friends
 
Ron Musgraves said:
http://www.ecleanmag.com/eclean-magazines-official-position-on-working-with-the-uamcc-2013-09-10/

I just do not even know what to say or how to say it,

Thanks all its just so wonderful being in this industry that spouts they want to work together.


When your Reading the article which I have not had a Chance to verify all miss-truth someone ask Allison if She DEny This as part of the conversation?

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If she Does She's lying, if she says she did she can't be trusted.

I highly recommend you get everything in writing because this women's WORD means nothing.


E-clean Fiction Magazine for the Fakes of this industry




Paul Horsley maybe you want to be a Man and call me, I'm embarrassed for you again.


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I want Everyone to READ her own Words, because she Hammers home agreements Agreements Agreements. I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word I give you my word.



By the Way I won't be asking you or Paul for your address for my attorney , I have them!!!
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Refresh the LIES
 
Peanut Gallery Folks this is Ron Musgraves Speaking not the UAMCC, my Directors un-like other orgs speak for themselves.

My actions are my own, if the membership or BOD want me gone they can Diss-miss me at anytime.

If anyone thinks helping others for Free and being attack is fun your out of your Mind.
 
Josh_Cronin said:
Ho hum...Here is the paranoia again. Because of people like you who think there are different "camps" and people can't be just here to learn is the reason I don't post here anymore. Everyone is out to get you right? Everyone. The problem is that people can't speak there mind anymore with you or anyone here. EVIL Chris is sitting over Micheal ( and his name IS Michael, not mike) rubbing his hands together telling him what to write.
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Not paranoia Josh. The fact is that there are camps. You can't come on here and tell us that you and Mike and even Micah aren't fully on Chris' side no matter what. And that's OK. You just have to own that choice in the end. You can't pretend that there are no sides in the issue especially when you work for Chris. I'm sure you'd also have us believe Chris doesn't call people and threaten them.
 
mistersqueegee said:
Not paranoia Josh. The fact is that there are camps. You can't come on here and tell us that you and Mike and even Micah aren't fully on Chris' side no matter what. And that's OK. You just have to own that choice in the end. You can't pretend that there are no sides in the issue especially when you work for Chris. I'm sure you'd also have us believe Chris doesn't call people and threaten them.
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Tony we all Know that Chris is Chris, these are his Under cover Sales Guys.

The thread here is not about Chris, Chris from WCRA/PWRA is not relevant to me or this thread.

the Facts in this thread are all that matter in this Thread.
 
mistersqueegee said:
Not paranoia Josh. The fact is that there are camps. You can't come on here and tell us that you and Mike and even Micah aren't fully on Chris' side no matter what. And that's OK. You just have to own that choice in the end. You can't pretend that there are no sides in the issue especially when you work for Chris. I'm sure you'd also have us believe Chris doesn't call people and threaten them.
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I'm on the side that doesn't lie, cheat, and steal. Chris is my friend, and we have many of the same viewpoints, but I have never worked for him or sold anything for him.

The mentality you guys have is if somebody doesn't agree with you they're the enemy, and they must be a puppet of Chris and Thad. You've been brainwashed. I'm done here.
 
EcoClean said:
I'm on the side that doesn't lie, cheat, and steal. Chris is my friend, and we have many of the same viewpoints, but I have never worked for him or sold anything for him.

The mentality you guys have is if somebody doesn't agree with you they're the enemy, and they must be a puppet of Chris and Thad. You've been brainwashed. I'm done here.
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Funny thing is I feel the same about you Micah.
 
First, let me say that I won't probably make friends with this post but I'm not on BBS to make friends but to educate myself (equipments, process, chemicals, etc...) and I think that for a lot of members here on PWI and other forums it's the same.

In the E-Clean saga, I've read everyting that was provided by both sides and to be honnest E-Clean (Paul & Allison) are in their right to do what they did. If a written agreement was needed in order to close the deal why in the world there were none? We are talking about a deal between an org. and a publisher, it must be done in a proper manner which means: written agreement. We're not talking about a house wash/driveway cleaning agreement done verbally over the phone. They (E-Clean) were offering to publish content and ads for the UAMCC, it should have been done on a form of a contract so that if something went wrong on any sides it could be disputed... UAMCC was supposed to supply E-Clean with content for the magazine, was it done? No, it seems everybody was way to busy to do it on the UAMCC side.

As far as your last comment Ron about the fact that you're entitled to your personal opinions and actions it's true when you're not representing the UAMCC.

Finally, I'm wondering why in the world the PWNA is part of this thread? It has nothing to do with this issue... Why the PWNA would have something to do with what's happening. Of course there's PWNA content in the magazine, they're paying for it and they certainly have some kind of written agreement with E-Clean. If E-Clean was willing to give visibility to the UAMCC in their magazine it was surely not because they're baught and paid for by the PWNA. This UAMCC and PWNA feud because of certain individuals is just dividing more and more the industry...
 
EcoClean said:
I'm on the side that doesn't lie, cheat, and steal. Chris is my friend, and we have many of the same viewpoints, but I have never worked for him or sold anything for him.

The mentality you guys have is if somebody doesn't agree with you they're the enemy, and they must be a puppet of Chris and Thad. You've been brainwashed. I'm done here.
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So why do you come here all the time if you can't stand us?

Check out Micah, Thad built a Place you can Pay him to help him. LOL

I will ask you and Tony to Stop Posting this Crap here. I believe Chris Doesn't pay you a cent, I certainly wouldn't. So I do not even know why you think we would think this, maybe you could go back over to your site and Bad mouth me some more for free. You enjoy putting others down, you would be Rich if there was such a Position.
 
mistersqueegee said:
Not paranoia Josh. The fact is that there are camps. You can't come on here and tell us that you and Mike and even Micah aren't fully on Chris' side no matter what. And that's OK. You just have to own that choice in the end. You can't pretend that there are no sides in the issue especially when you work for Chris. I'm sure you'd also have us believe Chris doesn't call people and threaten them.
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lol I've never worked for Chris. I'm also young, skinny and good looking... lots of differences between you and I. Why don't you go remove some scratches from some glass, Ton-ton. Or did you send Cody's Glass Renu system back finally?
 
Tony Shelton said:
Using your logic I have come up with a new excuse for adultery that the PWNA reps can use after events.

Here it goes;

"I know we made marriage vows, but the vows said "to have and to hold" and I have documented the fact that you did not, in fact, "hold" me on numerous occasions. I can't be held responsible for your failure to do what you said you were going to do."

What do you think Allison?

You will save thousands of marriages with this thought process. You should copyright it and post it in your PWNA magazine.

59 Pwna. 3 Uamcc

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The good thing about this guy is he spells properly and knows how to type in complete sentences. The bad thing is his arguments make literally no sense at all.
 
Entretien SG said:
First, let me say that I won't probably make friends with this post but I'm not on BBS to make friends but to educate myself (equipments, process, chemicals, etc...) and I think that for a lot of members here on PWI and other forums it's the same.

In the E-Clean saga, I've read everyting that was provided by both sides and to be honnest E-Clean (Paul & Allison) are in their right to do what they did. If a written agreement was needed in order to close the deal why in the world there were none? We are talking about a deal between an org. and a publisher, it must be done in a proper manner which means: written agreement. We're not talking about a house wash/driveway cleaning agreement done verbally over the phone. They (E-Clean) were offering to publish content and ads for the UAMCC, it should have been done on a form of a contract so that if something went wrong on any sides it could be disputed... UAMCC was supposed to supply E-Clean with content for the magazine, was it done? No, it seems everybody was way to busy to do it on the UAMCC side.

As far as your last comment Ron about the fact that you're entitled to your personal opinions and actions it's true when you're not representing the UAMCC.

Finally, I'm wondering why in the world the PWNA is part of this thread? It has nothing to do with this issue... Why the PWNA would have something to do with what's happening. Of course there's PWNA content in the magazine, they're paying for it and they certainly have some kind of written agreement with E-Clean. If E-Clean was willing to give visibility to the UAMCC in their magazine it was surely not because they're baught and paid for by the PWNA. This UAMCC and PWNA feud because of certain individuals is just dividing more and more the industry...
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Thanks goodness I was able to not be held to any deal after providing what we said after six months. I pulled away and we are on our own, because you sign something doesn't always make people keep there word.

The PWNA is in here because most think its a strike because of Letter Sent to them by BOD.

Paul Owns the Magazine and is a BOD member of PWNA.

Theres no Feud between us , just need there committee members to stop communicating using UAMCC logos. Pretty Simple

Your right Paul & Allison have a private Mag. They can do as they please, sharing my private info when promised not to will be for a judge to decide on how damage will play out.

Technically I'm glad they never signed the agreement , if working with a customers is this hard i would choose to take business elsewhere.

I highly recommend you do everything in writing with these individuals as they have proven there word in no good. Regardless of contract


By the Way I'm off the UAMCC free Clock when ever I post here.
 
michaelmole said:
lol I've never worked for Chris. I'm also young, skinny and good looking... lots of differences between you and I. Why don't you go remove some scratches from some glass, Ton-ton. Or did you send Cody's Glass Renu system back finally?
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He's had it back for a while. Out of respect for Ron's wishes I'll save the real reasons for what you are hinting at here for another time and venue. Enjoy your fantasy life Mikey.
 
Entretien SG said:
First, let me say that I won't probably make friends with this post but I'm not on BBS to make friends but to educate myself (equipments, process, chemicals, etc...) and I think that for a lot of members here on PWI and other forums it's the same.

In the E-Clean saga, I've read everyting that was provided by both sides and to be honnest E-Clean (Paul & Allison) are in their right to do what they did. If a written agreement was needed in order to close the deal why in the world there were none? We are talking about a deal between an org. and a publisher, it must be done in a proper manner which means: written agreement. We're not talking about a house wash/driveway cleaning agreement done verbally over the phone. They (E-Clean) were offering to publish content and ads for the UAMCC, it should have been done on a form of a contract so that if something went wrong on any sides it could be disputed... UAMCC was supposed to supply E-Clean with content for the magazine, was it done? No, it seems everybody was way to busy to do it on the UAMCC side.

As far as your last comment Ron about the fact that you're entitled to your personal opinions and actions it's true when you're not representing the UAMCC.

Finally, I'm wondering why in the world the PWNA is part of this thread? It has nothing to do with this issue... Why the PWNA would have something to do with what's happening. Of course there's PWNA content in the magazine, they're paying for it and they certainly have some kind of written agreement with E-Clean. If E-Clean was willing to give visibility to the UAMCC in their magazine it was surely not because they're baught and paid for by the PWNA. This UAMCC and PWNA feud because of certain individuals is just dividing more and more the industry...
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You will notice that Ron and Tony Shelton and Ton-ton Evans are masters of clouding the issue. They are deceptive and manipulative. They stated that the UAMCC provided everything it was supposed have... until it became clear that they could not support that lie. Then they brought up coverage of the parking garage event. Then they brought up eClean's PWNA connections. Then said Allison is "bought and paid for." It's crayons, marriage vows and salesmanship here. They are desperately throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks... and to keep people from seeing the writing on the wall.

And here's what it says... cheaters never prosper and liars don't win in the end. Ron and his cronies' days of having leverage to bully others are numbered.
 
Allison Hester said:
Thanks Kristopher. This was going to be my next point. None of this has anything to do with the UAMCC President's actions, which was what this whole thing was about. It was about Ron Musgraves falsely accusing eClean Magazine of falling through on our end of an agreement, and doing it publicly, and board member Tony Shelton lying about us publicly as well. I am not the head representative of a not-for-profit organization that has a written code of ethics that its leaders are expected to abide by. I am not a board member who is apparently ok with letting the President and fellow board member lie publicly time and again about an agreement and place the blame back on someone else.
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Were you accused publicly or was it in the "Memebers Only Uammc" facebook group. I am confused. The two are not one in the same. Publicly would be what you did by putting up on your magazines's website and actively promoting it on FB.
 
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