Look what it Took to Make E-clean today, this is my rewards after 30 years

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Ron Musgraves said:
Allison I gave you opportunity after I completed all the things I promised was fulfilled, you just dropped the ball.

I even apologized after firing you because I thought maybe you would just understand I would have liked you to do something for us.

Instead you attacked me!!


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I even commended this action and was so happy to see it. However after you apologized the attacks against her made by other members and under the table by you continued here and on Facebook. I'm sure you'll say you can't control what others say and though that is correct you certainly did not help the situation. You continued on by attempting to promote another magazine that would be made by The UAMCC. You're the one that brought this on yourself and it would have been so easily fixed, and hell at one point it was back on the right track. Now that is all off of the table and you really have no one to blame, but yourself. Good luck with the new magazine, if you're able to climb out of this hole.
 
Tony Shelton said:
I will sure be glad when you learn to read.

Didn't you see where Ron apologized and Allison told him she accepted his apology?

He even publicly offered to step aside and asked for volunteers to work with Allison to get the info out for the UAMCC for the benefit of the members.

Then Allison posts that she has no intention of working with the UAMCC.

Please, start reading. Educate yourself.
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What? he apologized? nope had no clue he did that.... oh wait yes I do. I responded to it as well. See my above post. Oh and an apology means nothing if the day after the attacks continue.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Did your article about the Garage Event slant coverage to make it look better than it was?
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To be honest, I was rather surprised by all the positive feedback I received from the garage cleaning event because the cleaning portion was cancelled. I thought it would be a bigger deal than it was, but I was way more bothered about it than anyone I spoke with. The networking was excellent and everyone I spoke with said they got out of it what they came to get. Did I speak to everyone, no? Did I intentionally pick people I knew were happy with it? No. I went through the list of names and interviewed those who got back with me.

and with that, I'm done posting on PWI.
 
michaelmole said:
Simple question for you... Did the UAMCC provide the contract or the articles it had agreed to provide to eClean magazine?
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Tony Shelton said:
I would say the same to you Allison.

Again, same question:


Did your article about the Garage Event slant coverage to make it look better than it was?
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Same question for you again. Did the UAMCC BOD or president provide to eClean the articles or contract that were specifically required for the relationship to continue? If not, then Ron is a liar because he said he provided everything he was supposed to provide.
 
michaelmole said:
You are the "customer" of the UAMCC BOD and President. Are you happy with their actions? You are the person they are supposedly serving. Have you contacted the members of the BOD to tell them your thoughts?
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No I am not happy with their actions. No I have not contacted the BOD, but after this instance and a letter sent by Thad I highly doubt what I say would play any part. In fact I would even say that most would laugh at the letter as a joke. Frankly I think Ron and Tony should step down or the members should veto him out of office.
 
michaelmole said:
Simple question for you... Did the UAMCC provide the contract or the articles it had agreed to provide to eClean magazine?
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Kristopher Pettitt said:
No I am not happy with their actions. No I have not contacted the BOD, but after this instance and a letter sent by Thad I highly doubt what I say would play any part. In fact I would even say that most would laugh at the letter as a joke. Frankly I think Ron and Tony should step down or the members should veto him out of office.
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I agree with what should happen. The bullies need to be stripped of all power. But I think if the members don't let the BOD know they are aware and won't stand for it, it will be easy for the BOD to sweep this under the rug. Money talks, BS walks. Tell them you see the writing on the wall and you are gonna withdraw your support of UAMCC if they don't remove the inept and dishonest leadership.
 
It is a big accusation to say Ron threatened Allison. Everything I saw in the whole mess of compiled messages was Ron trying to negotiate and gain leverage. This is how things are done. I show you what I can do for you and you liking means I now have something on the table to use in order to get what I want from you in return. I did that with toys when I was a kid. haha. Ron is very creative and is good at working things out and improving them overtime. It's sad Allison posted all of this thinking it would put her in a position of favor. Maybe it will with someone. The so called threats appear to be no more than a display of what Ron could bring to the negotiation table and maybe even a little try before you buy tactic. Yes it could be easy to imagine they are threats, just as you can imagine if a glass is half full or half empty. Everyone really needs to be careful with bringing things public and when things are, controlling how you respond. I would not have done what Allison did because she really needs to make friends, not lose them and to try to be neutral as possible in her position as a reporter. Negotiation does require thick skin sometimes when things get a little tense. My friends are all gifts from God and without their support I would be much less. No threat intended.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
No I am not happy with their actions. No I have not contacted the BOD, but after this instance and a letter sent by Thad I highly doubt what I say would play any part. In fact I would even say that most would laugh at the letter as a joke. Frankly I think Ron and Tony should step down or the members should veto him out of office.
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All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. The good men (and women) are standing up. Don't let them stand alone.
 
outdoorprowash said:
Ron is very creative and is good at working things out and improving them overtime.
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You seem like a very nice guy and should consider a career in public relations. This is the most positive statement of "Ron is a manipulative liar" I can imagine. Props to you.

And as a business owner, Allison is free to not do business with whoever she wants, and to defend her business against public defamation and dishonesty (for example the blatant lies about traffic sources) from anyone who accuses or attacks her.
 
michaelmole said:
I agree with what should happen. The bullies need to be stripped of all power. But I think if the members don't let the BOD know they are aware and won't stand for it, it will be easy for the BOD to sweep this under the rug. Money talks, BS walks. Tell them you see the writing on the wall and you are gonna withdraw your support of UAMCC if they don't remove the inept and dishonest leadership.
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I agree with you, but if I was to revert to being a non-donating member I would have no say, at least as long as I am a donating member I have a say.

As far as other members stepping up, I hope they do. But I see too many times where individuals have something hung over their head by Ron. Example of this would be Tony Evans with window cleaning institute. There are many other instances I see where Ron is holding things over contractors heads. The biggest one I've been hearing about is a little place called "Prism".
 
michaelmole said:
Same question for you again. Did the UAMCC BOD or president provide to eClean the articles or contract that were specifically required for the relationship to continue? If not, then Ron is a liar because he said he provided everything he was supposed to provide.
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You are asking the wrong person.

I, personally, was asked by Ron to provide content. I declined.

I don't know how many other people Ron asked.

I don't know if Ron provided any content or not.

How many hats are we supposed to wear? (That's a figure of speech, not a claim that I actually need to know an actual number, just in case it is confusing for any writers who don't understand figures of speech)
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Tony, perhaps none of this would have gone down the way it did if Ron had done what he agreed to. Sorry, but it wasn't Allison's job to write the article for The UAMCC or interview. It was up to The UAMCC and BOD, especially Ron to see this through. I don't see after 6 months why this was so hard to accomplish. The Eclean ad was up for 6 months as stated by Ron, so why was not at least one article submitted to Allison? You talk about misdirecting and misleading, yet here you are doing it yourself. This was an easy fix and instead of working with Allison to get this resolved you felt it necessary to air it out in public hoping that it would favor you and your cause. I can tell you that it won't favor your cause. You've made your bed now you have to lie in it. As you stated before everyone needs to choose their side and even as a donating member of The UAMCC I am NOT on your side regarding this issue in any way, shape, or form.
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Truthfully Kris ill take responsibility for the article not getting out from this topic.

There where other parts not followed through!!

But it really doesn't matter, cause at the days end she's lost credibility. She's was dropped from this agreement because she showed no encouragement she would ever follow through. Apparently unless we signed the agreement, I'm just thankful we are not locked into and agreement that would have never been possibly ever followed through.

Kris two days ago I asked if you wanted a refund because I personally do not feel your UAmCc material. In so many word it's asking you for resignation.

Is there anything you do like about the UAmCc ?


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Tony Shelton said:
You are asking the wrong person.

I, personally, was asked by Ron to provide content. I declined.

I don't know how many other people Ron asked.

I don't know if Ron provided any content or not.

How many hats are we supposed to wear? (That's a figure of speech, not a claim that I actually need to know an actual number, just in case it is confusing for any writers who don't understand figures of speech)
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And I suppose that because content was not provided it is all of a sudden Allison's fault.
 
michaelmole said:
All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. The good men (and women) are standing up. Don't let them stand alone.
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FINALLY!

That's what I've been saying all along.

I'm glad you finally see the light.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
I agree with you, but if I was to revert to being a non-donating member I would have no say, at least as long as I am a donating member I have a say.

As far as other members stepping up, I hope they do. But I see too many times where individuals have something hung over their head by Ron. Example of this would be Tony Evans with window cleaning institute. There are many other instances I see where Ron is holding things over contractors heads. The biggest one I've been hearing about is a little place called "Prism".
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FREEWCI? TEXT FOR DETAILS!!!! GAMECHANGER!!! FREE FREE FREE! Coming January 2012!!!

Lol. It's the GAMECHANGER that never appeared. Ron is a good talker, and Tony is desperate for something to be in charge of, so he can feel important to Internet people.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
But it really doesn't matter, cause at the days end she's lost credibility. She's was dropped from this agreement because she showed no encouragement she would ever follow through. Apparently unless we signed the agreement, I'm just thankful we are not locked into and agreement that would have never been possibly ever followed through.

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You are wrong Ron. She has not lost credibility, In fact she has gained support.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Kris two days ago I asked if you wanted a refund because I personally do not feel your UAmCc material. In so many word it's asking you for resignation.

Is there anything you do like about the UAmCc ?
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"Yeah, Kris. You aren't UAMCC material. You don't toe the party line, you question your leaders, and you think for yourself! You also seem like a good, hardworking and honest person who doesn't appreciate being bullied or seeing other people lied about! Would you please remove yourself from our fine organization??"
 
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