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I got teary and chills Tony - how wonderful for Fayth as well as your entire family 
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Christopher
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Another great video Tony, Thanks.
That is really great!
That is really great!
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
The great Blonding was a tightrope walker in the 1800's.
He walked across a the niagra falls numerous times.
One of his greatest feats was accomplished when he walked across the falls with his manager on his back.
When they annouced "Is there anyone here who believes this man can cross the falls on this rope with a man on his back?" the crowd went wild with screams of "yes, yes!!!".
BUT, when they were asked who would volunteer to ride on his back the crowd was silent.
His manager had more than spoken faith, he had true TRUST. He rode on his back with a full trusting heart.
Faith.
There are different kinds of faith. I want to have faith like the manager. I hope to be there soon.
He walked across a the niagra falls numerous times.
One of his greatest feats was accomplished when he walked across the falls with his manager on his back.
When they annouced "Is there anyone here who believes this man can cross the falls on this rope with a man on his back?" the crowd went wild with screams of "yes, yes!!!".
BUT, when they were asked who would volunteer to ride on his back the crowd was silent.
His manager had more than spoken faith, he had true TRUST. He rode on his back with a full trusting heart.
Faith.
There are different kinds of faith. I want to have faith like the manager. I hope to be there soon.
Al Patterson
Member
Tony,
thanks for posting that, I am sorry I have not saw it before tonight.
I admire you for sharing your "Fayth" and "Faith" as well as your testimony.
Give her a big hug for me and we are proud of her for her decision that she made to follow Christ.:thumbup2:
Our message today in church hit home.....it was basicly how God has been taken out of our society because it is not politically correct jbecause we might offend someone.
Our preacher mentioned that he had the opportunity to give out some bibles to our Military solders, they allowed him to give out the bibles but was not allowed to mention Jesus or God to any of the solders.
It is pretty sad what is happening to our Government, but the bible speaks of it often and it is going to get worse before it gets better.
For those Prayer Warriors out there...... I ordered and received the above DVD bible for my two sister in Fla.
Pray that they will listen to them with open hearts and that they too will come to know our saviour and one day they too will accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Thanks Al.
I know it's easy to look around us today and become convinced that these are really "bad" times.
But, thanks to the kingdom of God we don't experience anywhere near the type of disrespect for God in our government or persecution of those before us.
After the crossing of crossing of the Red Sea, the miracles of the desert wandering for 40 years, the miraculous conquering of the promised land, the flourishing of Israel under David and Solomon, here is what you got:
http://www.biblestudy.org/prophecy/israel-kings.html
Even Saul killed priests for helping David and that was part of his downfall.
For the past couple of weeks I've been studying Saul and David. I want to know what made David the "man after God's own heart" in contrast to Saul who was so bad that God took his Spirit away from him and evil spirits came in to reside afterwards.
In the aforementioned killing of the priests (I Sam 21) David indirectly contributed to their deaths because he lied to the high priest in trying to get him to help him. Yet later in the New Testament, Jesus uses David's eating of the special bread as an example that (and apparently in agreement with) a person's physical needs come above religion. (Matthew 12)
I can't make heads or tails of it. Is lying under certain circumstances ok? Any ideas?
I know it's easy to look around us today and become convinced that these are really "bad" times.
But, thanks to the kingdom of God we don't experience anywhere near the type of disrespect for God in our government or persecution of those before us.
After the crossing of crossing of the Red Sea, the miracles of the desert wandering for 40 years, the miraculous conquering of the promised land, the flourishing of Israel under David and Solomon, here is what you got:
http://www.biblestudy.org/prophecy/israel-kings.html
Even Saul killed priests for helping David and that was part of his downfall.
For the past couple of weeks I've been studying Saul and David. I want to know what made David the "man after God's own heart" in contrast to Saul who was so bad that God took his Spirit away from him and evil spirits came in to reside afterwards.
In the aforementioned killing of the priests (I Sam 21) David indirectly contributed to their deaths because he lied to the high priest in trying to get him to help him. Yet later in the New Testament, Jesus uses David's eating of the special bread as an example that (and apparently in agreement with) a person's physical needs come above religion. (Matthew 12)
I can't make heads or tails of it. Is lying under certain circumstances ok? Any ideas?
Al Patterson
Member
I like this verse when it come to persecution
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...1EBXjm8d5rCCaVPUg&sig2=vTalvWBh1TMiEDzMO6iOZw
As far as trying to understanding what your studying.......lets just say its way over my head, but it you can put it into laymens terms...let us Know!!!
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
It's certainly not over your head Al. It's not over my head either, both of us just need to keep digging till the Lord opens our hearts to the answers.
Al, I know you know the NT back and forward, but as far as the Old Testament goes we need to think about this.
What did the Bereans study? (Acts 17:11) or what do you think Paul encouraged Timothy to study? (2 Timothy 2:15) These instructions were given when the New Testament wasn't even near completion yet. Those guys studied the Old Testament text because it showed them what God liked and didn't like. It also gave them the PROOF that Jesus was the Messiah.
Expecting the NT to provide all our needs spiritually is like having an 8gpm hot machine sitting in the shop unused because we're perfectly happy cleaning with a the 2.5 gpm Home Depot machine we use all the time.
I learn something new everytime I go back and read the OT.
Scott Stone
New member
Tony, you are mistaken. Davids greatest downfall is when he first, looked at and lusted after Bathsheba, then "laid" with her. When she ended up pregnant, he sent Uzziah to the war front because death was certain. That amounted to murder. Murder is unforgiveable, at least in my church, because in the repentance process it is not possible to restore a human life. Let alone confess the sin to the person you offended, or killed.
After that, he started a downward spiral that led to his condemnation. In my opinion, David realized what he had done, because of Lamentations, Psalms and Proverbs all are lamenting his sins, and are basically written prayers seeking a forgiveness that was not coming.
After that, he started a downward spiral that led to his condemnation. In my opinion, David realized what he had done, because of Lamentations, Psalms and Proverbs all are lamenting his sins, and are basically written prayers seeking a forgiveness that was not coming.
Al Patterson
Member
Hopefully he will broaden my knowledge as well, I will keep an open heart to my learning.
good night ...gotta get some sleep:boring: (sleeping ...not boring!)
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Jesus' remarks occur when the his enemies claimed that Jesus' disciples were breaking the law by picking grain an eating it on the Sabbath ("working" on the Sabbath).
Jesus explained that his disciples were hungry and compared their situation to David's (around 1500 years before) when he was on the run from Saul and he asked to eat the bread that was consecrated to the Lord (as a sacrifice to the Lord) and did so without sin. There were two reasons David was without sin in that case 1) because the priest asked God if it was ok for David to eat it and God said yes, and 2) because David's bodily needs meant more to God than the need for religious ritual did.
Jesus' disciples found themselves hungry on the Sabbath. 1) God (Jesus) gave them permission to do so and declared his authority by claiming his lordship over the Sabbath in the text. 2) Their hunger was more important than the keeping of religious ritual.
However, back to David, his eating the shewbread was a result of his lie. He lied to GET the shewbread by telling Ahimelech he was on a mission for the king.
I don't know what to make of that. I don't know how to make it jive other than to search out the results of that lie and see if the results tell us more about God's thoughts on his actions.
That is why it takes study. Sometimes it's not black and white. If it was we would be too easily bored.
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Yeah, you're right about David's greatest sin. I've got to disagree with you about David not obtaining forgiveness though because of these verses:
After David was confronted with his sin (sometimes we can rationalize sin in our own minds even though it's perfectly clear to everyone else we are doing wrong - (Scott, I know of a situation you know a lot about right now where I just spent a lot of time on the phone listening to someone trying to rationalize something that simply was the wrong thing to do. I wish I could have come up with as good of an example as Nathan did with David)
2 Samuel 12:13-14 And Nathan said to David, "The LORD also has taken away your sin; you shall not die." 14 "However, because by this deed you have given occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born to you shall surely die."
David was caught up in sin, but when confronted with it he repented and showed genuine sorrow.
Luke also confirms that David served by doing the will of God
Act's 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
I know this ends wierd, but the corruption is talking about the fact that his body deteriorated in the ground, as opposed to the body of Jesus that was prophesied to "not" see corruption - therefore prophesying his resurrection.
And Paul wrote to the Ephesians the following:
Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing that is good, that he may have whereof to give to him that hath need.
I take a lot of comfort in that Scott because there are things in my past that I can't ever go back and make whole. Some of the people I wronged in the past are dead now.
I hope you're wrong :love2:
Scott Stone
New member
Nope, you misunderstood. You can still restore the wrongs you committed, unless of course, you killed them. Repentance and forgiveness are about a willingness to admit a wrong, and make it right. If there are extenuating circumstances, such as an unwillingness to admit you made a mistake, or the inability to correct the wrong, such as having murdered someone, that do not allow you to properly repent, you will be held accountable for those sins. Of course, this is just my opinion, from my own scripture study.
Al Patterson
Member
What is the faith of all those who commit murder?
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Thanks for clarifying that Scott. I'm glad I'm not in that position. I've tried to right the wrongs I committed over the years in other ways.
In studying David and Saul I'm finding out how David was different. His respect for God was first and foremost (except w/Bathsheba). For example David had many opportunities to kill Saul but he didn't because Saul was God's annointed. (even though he was trying to kill David) To drive this point home David even killed the man who killed Saul - even though Saul ASKED him to kill him because he was mortally wounded.
On the other end of the spectrum Saul's former general Abner - had killed a relative of David's general Joab - in a battle (Abner was being chased and warned him to stop chasing him or he would kill him - so he did) Abner was a good man and honorable and later when David made peace with him Joab was jealous of Abner and lured him to a private place and killed him. Unlike the situation with the man who killed Saul - David left Joab's judgement to God and didn't kill him.
What was the difference between the two? Saul was the appointed King by God himself at one time and David thought he was avenging God when he killed the killer of Saul.
But Abner wasn't put in place by God officially, so David didn't see it as being his place to avenge his death.
Sorry to get off on a tangeant.
Back to the topic - What about Moses? Moses was a murderer also. He also tried to hide it and then ran from the law for 40 years. Did Moses ever obtain forgiveness?
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
BTW, all discussion in here from me is my opinion also. My opinion has been known the change A LOT over the years. I don't think anyone will ever know ALL the truth while on this earth. Especially me. :smile-us-down:
Al Patterson
Member
I agree with you Tony, I respect other peoples views even when I don't agree or understand it.
I like to ask questions of others beliefs because it makes me think about mine and I have something to compare....sometime people bring up good points and it makes you think.
Where we get into trouble is when we try to convince someone that we are right and they are wrong.
We are ALL going to be so far off when it is said and done...its not even to be funny!!! Our little minds can't even began to comprehend the "Big Picture"
PressureWashingStarkeFL
Member
I know this is 4 weeks old now, but I am happy for your Daughters Following the Lord in Baptism Tony.. The bible states that Baptism is a picture of what Jesus performed for us on the cross. As the believer stands in the water they are standing while the water of coarse horizontally crosses their body, forming an impression of Jesus on the cross. When they are submerged it is a picture of his death and when they are raised up it is a picture of the resurrection. So when a person is Baptized it is a story of salvation that was provided to us through Jesus.
Not only was it the death, but the shedding 0f innocent blood. The perfect sacrifice for our sins. In the OT people read of all the sacrifices over and over and ask why. It was not that it removed sin truly, but it was a picture of the future sin debt being paid for by the Lamb of God(Jesus).
Not only was it the death, but the shedding 0f innocent blood. The perfect sacrifice for our sins. In the OT people read of all the sacrifices over and over and ask why. It was not that it removed sin truly, but it was a picture of the future sin debt being paid for by the Lamb of God(Jesus).
Al Patterson
Member
thanks for sharing that!
Walt Edwards
Member
Bottom Line is Merry CHRISTmas. Emphasis on CHRIST. If that offends anyone or makes someone angry, OH well.
May God Bless everyone.
May God Bless everyone.