He is talking about anything not fitting in here John
EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution
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He is talking about anything not fitting in here John
Clean County PW
Active member
Hey Robert- have you noticed that when you reach the levels that you have attained, there was indeed politics that works it's way in there thru the regulators etc?
Clean County PW
Active member
Cool I'm off the hook then. Those pics I put in there is just stressing the point where this is heading towards.. Lobbyist like Tony said and he is correct about that is right in there with....politics. Hence the term political lobbying.
There's non profit lobbying, BMP grants etc...
tomtucson
New member
OK - you said it - "this is not "Logical, Reasonable, or Rational"" - So WE need to work hard against all of it. This isn't about water or pollution or saving the kids - the runoff of city streets makes anything else inconsequential, negligible.
Clean County PW
Active member
Does it?? How's that? Also Tom how do you "Work hard against all of it"?
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
So now let me see if I've got this straight.
Robert has searched the internet, visited the EPA regulators and rule makers, and asked them what we have to do. They provided him with a wish list.
He then made the list, made a show of asking us if we liked it, then when we almost unanimously said "no", he printed the list and gave it to the regulators as if it was ours (and oh yeah, charged us $20 for a CD of it) Meanwhile he added some other restrictions in that no one ever mentioned for good measure.
Now he's made a filter that we have to use if we wish to comply with the list. (if we use hot water, of course)
He tried to sell it on his son's board but found no audience, or at least no one with enough money to buy it.
So he came here to sell it.
We confronted him here as to "why" he did what he did.
He responded with endless pages of screenshots, mostly from his own presentations to the regulators.
He added a bunch of misleading pages and pictures showing worst case scenario cleaning situations for the regulators so they can take screenshots from our own boards to show what kind of polluters we really are in their own presentations.
We still were confused as to "why?".
So now he is bringing the regulators to the forum to explain to us that we have no say-so.
Maybe they can explain why in 20 years of having Robert as our advocate we have never had any say-so.
And why we just need to shut up and comply, while others like the construction, solid waste management, street sweepers and other industries have worked hard WITH the EPA to come to practical solutions without doubling the equipment required to do so.
Is this what you PwNA members signed up for?
Robert has searched the internet, visited the EPA regulators and rule makers, and asked them what we have to do. They provided him with a wish list.
He then made the list, made a show of asking us if we liked it, then when we almost unanimously said "no", he printed the list and gave it to the regulators as if it was ours (and oh yeah, charged us $20 for a CD of it) Meanwhile he added some other restrictions in that no one ever mentioned for good measure.
Now he's made a filter that we have to use if we wish to comply with the list. (if we use hot water, of course)
He tried to sell it on his son's board but found no audience, or at least no one with enough money to buy it.
So he came here to sell it.
We confronted him here as to "why" he did what he did.
He responded with endless pages of screenshots, mostly from his own presentations to the regulators.
He added a bunch of misleading pages and pictures showing worst case scenario cleaning situations for the regulators so they can take screenshots from our own boards to show what kind of polluters we really are in their own presentations.
We still were confused as to "why?".
So now he is bringing the regulators to the forum to explain to us that we have no say-so.
Maybe they can explain why in 20 years of having Robert as our advocate we have never had any say-so.
And why we just need to shut up and comply, while others like the construction, solid waste management, street sweepers and other industries have worked hard WITH the EPA to come to practical solutions without doubling the equipment required to do so.
Is this what you PwNA members signed up for?
offdutyfireman
Active member
I think he is referring to the "look at me pics" you posted like you did with the illegitimate daughter of the drunk ball player. We do not need lobbyist and we do not need grant money if it is coming from a tax payer scource.
Scott Stone
New member
Robert,
With all due respect, I have been following this thread, and have found it interesting, with the divergent views, and some of the subtleties and inanities that have occurred. I have a question for you, and you alone. Here is the question:
If the PWNA is out to represent the contractors, and their best interest, why is the PWNA proposing and discussing with the local authorities, a BMP that exceeds what the EPA requires? I would think that they would want to represent contractors and promote something more reasonable like the EPA suggested guidelines.
The only thing that I can think of that would possible be an excuse would be that the PWNA is trying to limit competition, by making it to expensive for some of the smaller contractors to purchase the equipment, thus forcing them out of the business.
With all due respect, I have been following this thread, and have found it interesting, with the divergent views, and some of the subtleties and inanities that have occurred. I have a question for you, and you alone. Here is the question:
If the PWNA is out to represent the contractors, and their best interest, why is the PWNA proposing and discussing with the local authorities, a BMP that exceeds what the EPA requires? I would think that they would want to represent contractors and promote something more reasonable like the EPA suggested guidelines.
The only thing that I can think of that would possible be an excuse would be that the PWNA is trying to limit competition, by making it to expensive for some of the smaller contractors to purchase the equipment, thus forcing them out of the business.
Scott Stone
New member
On this, you are sorely mistaken. I can guarantee that I have more local government officials on my speed dial then you do, and from different municipalities. I can also tell you that I have a professional lobbyist, and attorney for government affairs.
I also know for a fact that Tony has sat with multiple jurisdictions, on his own dime, and of his own accord, so that he could understand local BMP's that have been sorely misrepresented.
Don't think for a minute that posed political shots are going to give you credibility. Let me know when you have a local public official over to your house, or to your office, because they want something from you. Then you will be a mover and shaker.
Clean County PW
Active member
I know where my credibility stands and it's not in this industry as much as I would like..yet. Since you obviously agree about lobbyist maybe you should direct that towards William because I already know how lobbyist work. Getting them is another story...
As for you having more local officials on your speed dial...sure Scott whatever you say. I'll be at my local officials party the 31st and there will probably be more in that room then you saw in your lifetime. Maybe I'll post some pictures there you can complain about that one as well.
And there's a first. Getting dogged by you about pictures now thru someone else... It's not going to end is it. If it's not you then defend me for once... But you won't...which is why I brought up "influences before". ....it's just a matter of time with you when my plug gets pulled here.. You can't take a stand for anything.
Clean County PW
Active member
Robert answer Scott's question on this before I get booted now for posting pics and trying to keep this great thread going when some of these guys just want to play "Mr. mom"
Clean County PW
Active member
Lol.. That's great William..lol you make me laugh Dude. Direct your lobbyist questions towards Scott Stone or Tony. They can answer those since both deal with Lobbyist. As for the pics hey at least I'm not showing pictures of Products I sell to homeowners..lol Some of these guys should lighten up(smile)
Robert Hinderliter
Hall of Fame Member
Robert Hinderliter
Hall of Fame Member
810f250
Griffs Services PowerWash
Hey guys as promised here are some more photos of the same bio-remediation install after a little rain (taken today 01/14/2013 with a little more rain total than the "first flush basic evaluation" video).
Look at the color/condition of the "pea gravel" (these first two photos taken with two different cameras, sorry )
This bio installation system drains into a huge wet pond. Services at least two commercial properties, but I think also a housing community and surrounding public roads
I noticed that unfortunately the other two bio installs may not be receiving the parking lots runoff effectively, it appears that the majority goes to wetpond directly bypassing the bio installs, via other storm water inlets in the parking lot, two of which have a silt device installed.
Look at the color/condition of the "pea gravel" (these first two photos taken with two different cameras, sorry )
This bio installation system drains into a huge wet pond. Services at least two commercial properties, but I think also a housing community and surrounding public roads
I noticed that unfortunately the other two bio installs may not be receiving the parking lots runoff effectively, it appears that the majority goes to wetpond directly bypassing the bio installs, via other storm water inlets in the parking lot, two of which have a silt device installed.
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Robert Hinderliter
Hall of Fame Member
Excellent. These are not designed for Power Washing Waste Water, they are for rain water which carries off less contaminates.
Scott Stone
New member
The funny thing is, I have no idea what you are talking about. I have not even been on this thread, and really on PWI all weekend.
Also, there is a difference between standing in a room with a bunch of officials, and having them call you, and being on a first name basis with them, and stopping by your office, just to see how you are doing.
BTW, You will notice that Robert did not answer my question.
810f250
Griffs Services PowerWash
Robert (and also everyone else), look at the pebbles in the bio-remediation installation in pic two to the top of my post, re-posting below.
In my opinion guys a big problem to the water ways of the US, is the affect of poor quality asphalt seal coatings and some asphalt binders on storm water runoff.
The quality of some seal coats/asphalt binders "blacken" parking lot storm water run off so much, and the runoff tints/coats everything that they travel over and evaporate on.
Look at this inlet of the storm drain in photo below, the concrete color of the cover vs the color of the concrete to the inlet.
810f250
Griffs Services PowerWash
Just wanted to add, that although I concede that all "blackened" surfaces to be pressure cleaned are not always a result of asphalt sealers/surfaces etc, example like in John Davis photo in this post ,....other things like "organic matter" does "blacken" surfaces but they do not in my opinion run off from rain events into storm drain systems any where close to the effect as asphalt sealed surfaces.
Doug Rucker
Roundtable Host 2009
He is talking about my post yesterday about keeping self promo posts and pics out of this thread. His paranoia is getting the best of him. Funny Stuff.