EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

[Clean County PW]

There you go again john. I don't have a hatchet to bury John, you do. That's what you can't seem to get. I don't have anything to end John, you do. Deal with whatever is eating at you and stop this free fall your on. Hope you get well soon.

There you go Doug.. Your implying now I'm not well. I wished you well on your health issue and I really meant that. My health is fine.. Do not make this a futile effort for yourself Doug.. You haven't been around long enough to think you understand this. Is there anything you have to offer here besides dreaming up I have health issues to be concerned about?
You got anything??

 

[Clean County PW]

Well I guess John has run this thread in the ground and Robert has run off. Interesting while it lasted.

Hey William Robert just responded.. This thread is live and well. Got anything to add??

 

[Guy Blackmon]

12,000+ Views....interesting.

 

[offdutyfireman]

Robert, maybe you have not understood the question that has been asked of you several times. I will try to repeat what Scott and several others have asked of you. "Why are you and the PWN@ pushing bmp's that exceed what the CWA requires?" I don't think the question can be made any simplier for you to understand. Maybe the mayor was right.

 

[Clean County PW]

John:

I have answered this many times, but I seem to be talking over everyone's head. Sorry for that, they do not seem to be able to relate to the statement that the interpretation of the CWA is directly related to everyone's "Economic Revenue Stream". This include public concerned citizens, contract cleaners, environmentalists, regulators and AHJs, vendors, tree huggers, etc.

What one person see as being environmental correct, is seen as a pollutant my another. Also it makes a difference of which political party is in office in this interpretation and enforcement.

In the Dallas Fort Worth Area there about 115 jurisdictions, each with a different interpretation, often from one side of the street to the other. The Feds set the discharge limits and the locals set the BMPs.

Since 1989 I have discovered that certain procedures and scenarios are generally accepted and will satisfy the AHJs most of the time. If the Contract Cleaner is familiar with these BMPs, then they are in a very good position.

For enforcement to be reasonable, rational, and logical it has to be a compromise between all of the stakeholders.

Also, you are required to remediate your waste water to the "maximum extent practical". You are not suppose to do as little as possible!

I have released plans for you all to copy if you like that makes complying to the "maximum extent practical" very inexpensive.

Just like the Mayor of New York City said: "if you do not have a basic understand, then there is nothing I can do for you".

Thank you Robert. I understand what your saying here as well as in the past. I wanted Scott Stone to get his reply. I'd ask you to minimize it to less sentences to make it clearer for some.. Which is going to make it almost impossible. I'm good with your answer above... How about you Scott?

 

[Clean County PW]

12,000+ Views....interesting.

Gotta love it Guy. Passionate topic. Maybe 15-20 people responding and now even less but there are a boat load lurking. Come back in Guy and add some imput.. Maybe thru all this we can get closer to a common ground.. People are sure as heck interested. The amount of views in such a short time says volumes.

 

[Scott Stone]

John:

I have answered this many times, but I seem to be talking over everyone's head. Sorry for that, they do not seem to be able to relate to the statement that the interpretation of the CWA is directly related to everyone's "Economic Revenue Stream". This include public concerned citizens, contract cleaners, environmentalists, regulators and AHJs, vendors, tree huggers, etc.

I wish I could thank you for not being arrogant and condescending. I think that what you refuse to understand is that if the PWNA supports and promotes the tighter regulations, they are giving tacit approval to regulations that exceed federal standards. I don't think that this represents the best interest of anyone but the distributors, and the larger contractors, that can afford the recovery systems to wash anything, and everything they might come across. Sounds like a Fleetwash approach where no one else is qualified because they don't have our equipment...whether they use the equipment or not.

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

Gotta love it Guy. Passionate topic. Maybe 15-20 people responding and now even less but there are a boat load lurking. Come back in Guy and add some imput.. Maybe thru all this we can get closer to a common ground.. People are sure as heck interested. The amount of views in such a short time says volumes.

NOW IT IS YOUR TURN TO POST SOME EXAMPLES!

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

 

[Clean County PW]

Those drain plugs can no doubt be a problem. We had to pop a drain cover off awhile back because the piping underneath on the ceiling of the floor below was cracked and missing a section. So we open up the drain cover to see if we should block it off with a makeshift plug on top of berming the drain off.

Smarter heads prevailed here because what would happen if the plug worked it's way down the drain. We scratched that idea. We doubled covered the drain and very little water got past.

 

[Tony Shelton]

Robert, you asked for ours. I'm going to post up some videos in this and the next two posts.

This post shows a Las Vegas rainstorm. They are are few and far between. This video was taken at least 45 minutes into the downpour.

All the initial rush of oils and other light material had already washed off the streets.

Yet even 45 minutes into it there is still a lot of debris/dirt in the runoff.

Take a look:

 

[Tony Shelton]

A few minutes later the rain has slowed and the debris is thinning out.

Yet I was still able to put a simple polyester/polypropylene coated filter out there and capture a lot:

 

[Tony Shelton]

That was simple gravity filtration. VERY simple filtration. Yet it still was able to capture some oily substances and a lot of debris.

The next video is a simple three part filtration with our own proprietary media that we custom made to deal specifically with food grease major spills.

We are able to take something as nasty as 300 gallon grease dumpster spills and convert them into solid waste plus water that looks like this video.

That is what we do. We are professional power washers.

We are not polluters. If I had a glass I would have drank it just to prove the point.

 

[Clean County PW]

All good Tony.. Cool video's.. Your doing something at least to be compliant probably enough where you shouldn't have a problem.. Isn't that what is being said in here all along?

This is why I think where all much closer then some realize.. "How this got turned into about saving the children" which is suggesting that others aren't here... I don't get that..

Also I still don't see how Robert is promoting us as polluters because he's giving us ways to do what you show above as a viable option. So where am I misreading this?

 

[Tony Shelton]

John, just try to follow along.

All this information Robert is putting out to regulators shows what horrible things we supposedly have to deal with as we "generate" pollution, according to him.

The fact is, even in worst case scenarios like the terrible 300 gallon grease spill, we can easily produce VERY clean water once we take the appropriate actions to do so.

The amounts of water we deal with on sidewalks is very minimal versus the amount of water that comes from a rainstorm. As a matter of fact, during the time I took to capture the video of the polyester gravity filtration, more rainwater passed through that filter than would pass through during a normal half hour of sidewalk cleaning.

In MANY cases, if we use the proper media on the GROUND we can do our jobs cleaning up the pollution leaving nothing more than water that is much cleaner than rainwater runoff. In addition, IF we come to the site, we pre-clean, which will eliminate trash and debris that would have otherwise washed directly into the storm drain.

We provide a pre-cleaning service for the storm water authority. We do not generate any pollution at all.

That is the point I am trying to make.

 

[Tony Shelton]

Here is an example of an "exempt" activity.

Flushing of fire hydrants is exempt from the EPA.

Yet, when they are flushed they let out a ton of rusty water and flush any debris they come in contact with directly down the drain.

WE, on the other hand, arrive at a site with debris, rust, etc, pre-clean the site, filter the runoff, yet are still being sold to the regulators, by Robert and Jim Gamble, as an industry that "pollutes".

Here is what happens at hydrant flushing. Contrast that to what we do and how beneficial our cleaning is for the environment.

 

[Tony Shelton]

And John, I would like to point out to you that this is important to me. I am not spending my days sitting at the computer looking for regulations to repost. I am out in the field working on finding the problem areas and trying to make solutions for them.

Right now, the biggest problem area is that we are being sold as polluters when we are not.

 

[Clean County PW]

You bring up some good points. The fire hydrants fall under the Water authority and the fire Dept's. The big polluters--automobiles-- fall under " the billionaires club" and other factions-- etc etc etc.. They all have some type of representation somewhere which puts them in a "protected" category plus they fall under a "Necessity".

Who represents us?? finger pointers??

No wonder why in most cases where in the same boat we were 18 yrs ago when I got into this business. I'm betting today there's probably more restrictions put on us now then there was then.. And to be honest I think it's going to get worse until we establish some kind of "Unity"... IMHO.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

Yes I know how contacts work. I had some of mine in the past,at my house for Kaths surprise 40th, before then @ my youngest childs christening and have been to numerous weddings of there kids and funerals for certain people passing. So we can agree for sure it's more then being @ a republican Convention for example and saying there all our contacts. There is a lot more then that and like you,, I understand that completely.

The only thing I ask here Scott is I talked to Ron today and believe me I know where I stand with the new admin here. Just if you can keep him off my back here when where trying to do something here that is way out of his element it would be appreciated. He wants to threaten me with bans then he should do it. He doesn't like my pics because he doesn't like me... I could care less. If & when he bans me... It's got no affect on me.

Thats it. This maybe the first favor I ever ask of you.. Well second. The first one was to take my controls here and lock them down-- which you did-- for hardly no time at all.

John if anyone here really disliked you we would have cut you loose.

Please stop referring I said Doug doesn't like you, we all just wish you could tell the truth and not tall tales.

Despite the past accusations helping others not knowing your where , I don't think anyone of us hate you. We actually feel empathy knowing something is just not right John with you being all over the place.

John good luck but I think pwi days have come to and end. If you want to be combative with the entire staff I doubt there a spot for you here. We certainly have allowed much more in the past. But the recent dribble is just none productive in my eyes. I not Doug, recommended you be suspended.

Your never going to lay the Doug thing down, you have been here most likely owing us all and apology for past behavior at sometime or another.

The negatively you bring even brought William from pwi retirement. I think that says it all.




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[Clean County PW]

And John, I would like to point out to you that this is important to me. I am not spending my days sitting at the computer looking for regulations to repost. I am out in the field working on finding the problem areas and trying to make solutions for them.

Right now, the biggest problem area is that we are being sold as polluters when we are not.

Accepted. I believe you this is important to you. The last thing you and any of need is to get fined for something that may be on the books but isn't fair.

I'm not breaking you nuts Tony.. But I still can't see how we in this Industry is getting painted as polluters from our very own? Is it really because of Robert or the PWNA? Is that really it? There that powerful that they actually affected this whole industry and how where looked at from the "All Powerful" EPA?

I see guys like Robert and even yourself Tony since your taking a lead role here as guys who want to tell the AHJ's etc that we have choices they should consider if possible..

It's about choices but on there playing field. There the system. How do we get that system to work for us? Start with smart choices.. At least that's what I'm thinking.