EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

Robert Hinderliter said:
Excellent. These are not designed for Power Washing Waste Water, they are for rain water which carries off less contaminates.
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Robert, do you seriously think that a guy using 300 gallons to wash soda pop and gum off a W#lmart sidewalk with hot water is going to produce more contaminants than a rain event across 500 oil, transmission fluid and coolant laden asphalt parking spots?

Have you been hired by the EPA to testify against us?
 
offdutyfireman said:
Credibility? John, you got caught in a lie about only you and Robert talking to officials. Instead of apologizing you make comments about Mr mom.
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There's no lie in here William but yes I misspoke about no one else sitting in with officials. I can't debate everything where it comes to did you sneeze? How many breaths did you take? Etc etc etc. If this hurt your feelings which I'm sure your way tougher then that-- Well then I'm sorry to you..

As you can tell I am a fighter/debater and has been proven wrong in the past... Doesn't mean I'll walk away in the corner and cry the blues. I'm pretty resilient & generally I do come out as completed the task @ hand. Either way by the end of the day I know I put in the effort without hurting my family in doing so(they always come first).
Don't sweat it bro.
 
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I have a hard time following you, sneezes? You spoke of credibility. I pointed out that you lied, or misspoke as you called it. If you get caught, man up and say you were wrong. That is where credibility comes from. I commend you for not wanting to hurt your family. How about not hurting you family of contractors? If you are having problems sneezing or breathing I hope you feel better.
 
offdutyfireman said:
I have a hard time following you, sneezes? You spoke of credibility. I pointed out that you lied, or misspoke as you called it. If you get caught, man up and say you were wrong. That is where credibility comes from. I commend you for not wanting to hurt your family. How about not hurting you family of contractors? If you are having problems sneezing or breathing I hope you feel better.
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Ok no problem. I am wrong I misspoke about who else sat in with officials. (I edited my last post but it took me awhile because Kath and I were doing a proposal for the PA garages to be done 2x,3x & 4x yrl and didn't realize I left my edited version no sent yet).

I'm trying to figure a way in for contractors and it's not easy. I'm not sure yet if it's worth my undivided attention because I'm not looking to sell classes or anything. What I fought in the past is benefits and money. To be the "Mother Theresa"(figure of speech) in here is what I need to think thru more. Is it worth my efforts to use any contacts to find answers.
 
Scott Stone said:
The funny thing is, I have no idea what you are talking about. I have not even been on this thread, and really on PWI all weekend.
Also, there is a difference between standing in a room with a bunch of officials, and having them call you, and being on a first name basis with them, and stopping by your office, just to see how you are doing.

BTW, You will notice that Robert did not answer my question.
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Yes I know how contacts work. I had some of mine in the past,at my house for Kaths surprise 40th, before then @ my youngest childs christening and have been to numerous weddings of there kids and funerals for certain people passing. So we can agree for sure it's more then being @ a republican Convention for example and saying there all our contacts. There is a lot more then that and like you,, I understand that completely.

The only thing I ask here Scott is I talked to Ron today and believe me I know where I stand with the new admin here. Just if you can keep him off my back here when where trying to do something here that is way out of his element it would be appreciated. He wants to threaten me with bans then he should do it. He doesn't like my pics because he doesn't like me... I could care less. If & when he bans me... It's got no affect on me.

Thats it. This maybe the first favor I ever ask of you.. Well second. The first one was to take my controls here and lock them down-- which you did-- for hardly no time at all.
 
Scott Stone said:
Robert,
With all due respect -I have a question for you, and you alone. Here is the question:
If the PWNA is out to represent the contractors, and their best interest, why is the PWNA proposing and discussing with the local authorities, a BMP that exceeds what the EPA requires? I would think that they would want to represent contractors and promote something more reasonable like the EPA suggested guidelines.
The only thing that I can think of that would possible be an excuse would be that the PWNA is trying to limit competition, by making it to expensive for some of the smaller contractors to purchase the equipment, thus forcing them out of the business.
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Hey Robert I chopped this up a sentence or two to get to what Scott's asking here--- can you answer him possibly in the shortest response possible and straight to the point?
 
Clean County PW said:
The only thing I ask here Scott is I talked to Ron today and believe me I know where I stand with the new admin here. Just if you can keep him off my back here when where trying to do something here that is way out of his element it would be appreciated. He wants to threaten me with bans then he should do it. He doesn't like my pics because he doesn't like me... I could care less. If & when he bans me... It's got no affect on me.
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John you really don't stand anywhere with me. I don't know you other than you like to attack my character and integrity, and thankfully no one here believes anything you have to say about me, as far as I can tell. To say I don't like you would mean I have some type of emotional feeling about you one way or the other, and I do not. Even all your little backhanded comments that are directed at me don't bother me in the least. Just proves hurting people hurt people. I hope one day you can heal and find whatever significance it is your looking for in life.
 
Clean County PW said:
Hey Robert I chopped this up a sentence or two to get to what Scott's asking here--- can you answer him possibly in the shortest response possible and straight to the point?
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John, please quit asking Robert to answer questions. If Robert wants to answer questions he can. You do not need to feel like you are some "Hall Monitor" that is overseeing this thread. I know you want to feel responsible for it, but let the thread live on it's own. Thanks
 
John, please stay on track in the thread. You keep taking it off track, trying to brag about who you know. Honestly, I don't care, and I am pretty sure that not many other people care. You are certainly no Mother Teresa, because she took up for the disadvantaged. The PWNA and their BMP's certainly do not help the majority of the contractors out there. In my opinion, they look like they are intent on putting contractors out of business. I don't see how someone could interpret it any other way. Roberts silence is saying more then any response that he could give. That he has posted multiple times should tell you something, as well.

By the way, when it comes to banning someone that I have had disagreements with, I stay as far away and as far out of the discussion as possible. I don't ever want it to be misinterpreted that I did it out of spite. This is because, contrary to what you seem to believe, I am honest and try to do the right thing, every single time.
 
Doug Rucker said:
John, please quit asking Robert to answer questions. If Robert wants to answer questions he can. You do not need to feel like you are some "Hall Monitor" that is overseeing this thread. I know you want to feel responsible for it, but let the thread live on it's own. Thanks
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Doug you just don't get it and you probably never will. I don't need to feel responsible and take credit for anything unlike you. The difference from you to me is I will help someone where I don't need to sell them anything. You should think about that. You want to attack my character... Try all your might. The only thing I respect about you is that you did something most people won't do and it's family related. I can definitely respect that and give you kudos for that... Everything else you can just keep attacking me behind my back and telling others the stories you tell.

It's got no bearing on me. And please stay out of this thread unless you got something positive to add and delete my pictures if your so inclined to do so.
 
Scott Stone said:
John, please stay on track in the thread. You keep taking it off track, trying to brag about who you know. Honestly, I don't care, and I am pretty sure that not many other people care. You are certainly no Mother Teresa, because she took up for the disadvantaged. The PWNA and their BMP's certainly do not help the majority of the contractors out there. In my opinion, they look like they are intent on putting contractors out of business. I don't see how someone could interpret it any other way. Roberts silence is saying more then any response that he could give. That he has posted multiple times should tell you something, as well.

By the way, when it comes to banning someone that I have had disagreements with, I stay as far away and as far out of the discussion as possible. I don't ever want it to be misinterpreted that I did it out of spite. This is because, contrary to what you seem to believe, I am honest and try to do the right thing, every single time.
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I am very much on track Here Scott. Thanks for asking.
 
Clean County PW said:
Doug you just don't get it and you probably never will. I don't need to feel responsible and take credit for anything unlike you. The difference from you to me is I will help someone where I don't need to sell them anything. You should think about that. You want to attack my character... Try all your might. The only thing I respect about you is that you did something most people won't do and it's family related. I can definitely respect that and give you kudos for that... Everything else you can just keep attacking me behind my back and telling others the stories you tell.

It's got no bearing on me. And please stay out of this thread unless you got something positive to add and delete my pictures if your so inclined to do so.
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John I have NEVER said anything about you behind your back. Quit making stuff up.
 
Doug Rucker said:
John I have NEVER said anything about you behind your back. Quit making stuff up.
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Yea sure Doug.. Who lies and makes up stories to everyone.. Spit it out here. Your the one who said you were told I make up stories... You said it Doug. I might get piled on here on PWI because your the new admin so guys have to come to your defense on this bb. Your the one who passed this story around...
You know it's not true because there's no story that you can dream up that I made up...
You want to bury the hatchet then bury it. Its your call. You started it.. Then either end it or your efforts will be futile.
 
Clean County PW said:
Yea sure Doug.. Who lies and makes up stories to everyone.. Spit it out here. Your the one who said you were told I make up stories... You said it Doug. I might get piled on here on PWI because your the new admin so guys have to come to your defense on this bb. Your the one who passed this story around...
You know it's not true because there's no story that you can dream up that I made up...
You want to bury the hatchet then bury it. Its your call. You started it.. Then either end it or your efforts will be futile.
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There you go again john. I don't have a hatchet to bury John, you do. That's what you can't seem to get. I don't have anything to end John, you do. Deal with whatever is eating at you and stop this free fall your on. Hope you get well soon.
 
Doug Rucker said:
There you go again john. I don't have a hatchet to bury John, you do. That's what you can't seem to get. I don't have anything to end John, you do. Deal with whatever is eating at you and stop this free fall your on. Hope you get well soon.
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Silence is Golden!
 
Clean County PW said:
Hey Robert I chopped this up a sentence or two to get to what Scott's asking here--- can you answer him possibly in the shortest response possible and straight to the point?
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John:

I have answered this many times, but I seem to be talking over everyone's head. Sorry for that, they do not seem to be able to relate to the statement that the interpretation of the CWA is directly related to everyone's "Economic Revenue Stream". This include public concerned citizens, contract cleaners, environmentalists, regulators and AHJs, vendors, tree huggers, etc.

What one person see as being environmental correct, is seen as a pollutant my another. Also it makes a difference of which political party is in office in this interpretation and enforcement.

In the Dallas Fort Worth Area there about 115 jurisdictions, each with a different interpretation, often from one side of the street to the other. The Feds set the discharge limits and the locals set the BMPs.

Since 1989 I have discovered that certain procedures and scenarios are generally accepted and will satisfy the AHJs most of the time. If the Contract Cleaner is familiar with these BMPs, then they are in a very good position.

For enforcement to be reasonable, rational, and logical it has to be a compromise between all of the stakeholders.

Also, you are required to remediate your waste water to the "maximum extent practical". You are not suppose to do as little as possible!

I have released plans for you all to copy if you like that makes complying to the "maximum extent practical" very inexpensive.

Just like the Mayor of New York City said: "if you do not have a basic understand, then there is nothing I can do for you".
 
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