The gOV Shut down, Can they Stay Closed?

I'm more worried about the government starting back up instead of shutting down!
Agreed. Maybe if the shutdown continues for long enough, people will realize that the sky doesn't fall when government isn't completely operational...keep in mind that the shutdown only affected about 40% of the government, not the whole thing by far.
 
Hold out for what ever it takes to stop this ridiculous Idea of Government healthcare. I see it now I'll have to carry un-insured Health Insurance because others won't pay. I see it now, laying on a gurney the doctor says Mr musgraves you do not have un-insured patient care on your policy. I have a dead beat next to you I have to work on first. I see you where able to pay for that and didn't, we have to work on this Dead Beat first because Fair is Fair. When they determined people are not paying like credit card Co uses Fraud as excuses to charge more interest the health care providers will Scream they need more money from the people willing to pay for those who will never. Next we are going to imprison those who do not carry it, so we can pay for them there. At least in prison they will get health care without paying because We will still have to pay. Let us all make a Choice, we do not need the GOV telling us this sort of thing. If we actually had Gov health care just make it free for all. Subsidize like any other Social programs. It will be really bad but this way we all could go elsewhere like canadians do. But really just leave it private, allow it to work without interference. Build a better Program for under privileged People who need help having good health care provided. I'm not against taking care of others, I'm against the government making me do it. We as americans have been paying our share for a Long while, we need a break to recover. The financial burdens of Fed business and interests are tearing us down and making the country weak. More Spending and possibly none of us may have health care. Its time to wake up Americans, we can't just keep creating this Monopoly money and think it will never come to and end. I support the Speaker on tabling this ridiculous spending. Someone needs to lead us to reality, we just do not want to hear it.
I disagree that government run health care is ridiculous. Every other developed nation has socialized health care, America is the exception in that regard, not the rule. Socialized medicine in Japan, Germany, France etc., all cost less than half what we pay per person and people in those countries have a longer life expectance that we do. The problem as I see it is the insurance companies, "for profit" hospitals and the salaries of medical professionals. Lets talk insurance companies first. They can deny you service, they can exclude you for a "pre existing condition", they can kick you off your policy if you get sick, and they can raise your rates for what ever reason they dream up. People say they don't want the government making decisions about their health care, but guess what - your insurance company is already doing that now. (I also disagree that government run agencies by default, are inept. The post office, military, national parks and thousands of other government run entities run just fine) 3/5ths of all bankruptcies in this country are caused by medical bills. What most people don't know is that most of those people HAD insurance when they got sick. Both of my parents are cancer survivors and it wiped them out twice. My mother got it in her 30's and getting treated was just the beginning of the problem. Once she was better, it was very difficult for her to find a job. No small company wanted her because her pre existing condition would raise their company rates. She had to go work for a major corporation because they were the only entity that could afford to absorb her into their system. Then every career decision after that, literally became a life or death decision. You shouldn't have to lose your life's savings, or have to work in a dead end job for the rest of your life because you get cancer. I view insurance companies as just middlemen between my doctors and me. If we eliminated them with socialized medicine, the amount of money this country spends on health care would probably drop by about a third, and most people would receive better care. Then there are the cost of hospitals. Think about this for a minute. Name another business in this country that you do not know the costs when you decide to buy the goods or service. You want a pool? You get a quote. You want a car, you price out the options. You get cancer? You are out of luck. Hospitals make it virtually impossible to get the prices before you have a procedure so its impossible to shop for the best rates. Even basic procedures like a colonoscopy is priced at their leisure. Mine is scheduled next week and when I asked how much it cost, no one can tell me. I keep hearing its about so many dollars, but we don't know until we are done. Baloney. This hospital does thousands of these a year, they know exactly what it cost but just won't share that with the public. Its done on purpose to keep you from shopping the price. Would you buy a pool or car if you didn't know the price up front? Of course not. But its your health on the line so you will pay what you have to pay, and the hospitals and doctors know it. And finally there are the doctors. Look at this link and see what the average pay is for these people - http://www.profilesdatabase.com/resources/2011-2012-physician-salary-survey My ex wife was a ophthalmologist. I got to spend way more time with doctors that I ever wanted to. I can tell you I have never been with a group of people that felt more entitled. (Many of them were narcissist that suffered from personality disorders, but I digress) I was at Homestead hospital last week scheduling my previously mentioned colonoscopy when I noticed the doctors reserved parking lot in front of the pediatrician center. They had the first hundred or so spots reserved for doctors. That's right, they make the parents and children - their customers - park out in BFE and then walk through the rows of Mercedes and Porsches before getting to the hospital entrance. I looked at it for a few minutes and thought what a euphemism that was for everything wrong with our system. Everyone like to blame the poor uninsured worker for raising the cost of their health care while ignoring the hundreds of billions in profits going to insurance companies, hospitals and doctors. My problem with Obama care is that it didn't go far enough. I've been around the world. I've seen first hand how people live in Europe and Australia. I want socialized medicine. PS - Please remember my quote below...
 
I wrote medical billing software in the 90's so I know a little about this and how medical billing works. I also know how doctors work and think because I had to spend a lot of time with them selling said software.

Rush Limbaugh said it best almost twenty years ago. If there were no insurance companies every doctor visit would be less than $50.

When you pay a medical bill you are paying:

1)The doctor
2) The group
3) The facility
4) The assistants
5) The office staff
6) The compliance staff
7) The insurance adjuster
8) The cost of every item used in the visit including liability on those items
9) The cost of the doctor's education
10) The cost of the legal fees that are inevitable when an ambulance chaser sues the doctor.
And the list goes on and on.

A simple fix to this would be:

1) Tort reform to include caps on awards based on the victim's current income and caps on percentages lawyers get.
2) Complete freedom of choice. If I want to go to a witch doctor without any education at all to remove my gall bladder, that should be my choice. Litigation prohibited.

Shelly went to Mexico a few years back and got dental work for 1/4th the price.

When we had Fayth the insurance bill would have been $19k. We negotiated in advance and paid it in full for $6k cash.

Jill is giving birth with a midwife for $4k.

People need choices. The government could provide those choices if they chose to by removing all limitations on who we can see for a visit and what drugs we can take for our issues.

It's funny how they are all over anyone who would suggest that people shouldn't be allowed to choose where they put their pee pee that might result in a disease that is a death sentence, but they won't allow anyone to see a doctor who hasn't spent $300k on a government sponsored education or take medicine that hasn't been approved.
 
I disagree that government run health care is ridiculous. Every other developed nation has socialized health care, America is the exception in that regard, not the rule. Socialized medicine in Japan, Germany, France etc., all cost less than half what we pay per person and people in those countries have a longer life expectance that we do. The problem as I see it is the insurance companies, "for profit" hospitals and the salaries of medical professionals. Lets talk insurance companies first. They can deny you service, they can exclude you for a "pre existing condition", they can kick you off your policy if you get sick, and they can raise your rates for what ever reason they dream up. People say they don't want the government making decisions about their health care, but guess what - your insurance company is already doing that now. (I also disagree that government run agencies by default, are inept. The post office, military, national parks and thousands of other government run entities run just fine) 3/5ths of all bankruptcies in this country are caused by medical bills. What most people don't know is that most of those people HAD insurance when they got sick. Both of my parents are cancer survivors and it wiped them out twice. My mother got it in her 30's and getting treated was just the beginning of the problem. Once she was better, it was very difficult for her to find a job. No small company wanted her because her pre existing condition would raise their company rates. She had to go work for a major corporation because they were the only entity that could afford to absorb her into their system. Then every career decision after that, literally became a life or death decision. You shouldn't have to lose your life's savings, or have to work in a dead end job for the rest of your life because you get cancer. I view insurance companies as just middlemen between my doctors and me. If we eliminated them with socialized medicine, the amount of money this country spends on health care would probably drop by about a third, and most people would receive better care. Then there are the cost of hospitals. Think about this for a minute. Name another business in this country that you do not know the costs when you decide to buy the goods or service. You want a pool? You get a quote. You want a car, you price out the options. You get cancer? You are out of luck. Hospitals make it virtually impossible to get the prices before you have a procedure so its impossible to shop for the best rates. Even basic procedures like a colonoscopy is priced at their leisure. Mine is scheduled next week and when I asked how much it cost, no one can tell me. I keep hearing its about so many dollars, but we don't know until we are done. Baloney. This hospital does thousands of these a year, they know exactly what it cost but just won't share that with the public. Its done on purpose to keep you from shopping the price. Would you buy a pool or car if you didn't know the price up front? Of course not. But its your health on the line so you will pay what you have to pay, and the hospitals and doctors know it. And finally there are the doctors. Look at this link and see what the average pay is for these people - http://www.profilesdatabase.com/resources/2011-2012-physician-salary-survey My ex wife was a ophthalmologist. I got to spend way more time with doctors that I ever wanted to. I can tell you I have never been with a group of people that felt more entitled. (Many of them were narcissist that suffered from personality disorders, but I digress) I was at Homestead hospital last week scheduling my previously mentioned colonoscopy when I noticed the doctors reserved parking lot in front of the pediatrician center. They had the first hundred or so spots reserved for doctors. That's right, they make the parents and children - their customers - park out in BFE and then walk through the rows of Mercedes and Porsches before getting to the hospital entrance. I looked at it for a few minutes and thought what a euphemism that was for everything wrong with our system. Everyone like to blame the poor uninsured worker for raising the cost of their health care while ignoring the hundreds of billions in profits going to insurance companies, hospitals and doctors. My problem with Obama care is that it didn't go far enough. I've been around the world. I've seen first hand how people live in Europe and Australia. I want socialized medicine. PS - Please remember my quote below...

Yeah and they all travel here for Health care when they Get sick. Life Expectancy is because we all eat crap here, literally junk.

Have you seen what people drive in Australia ?

These country have been westernized it will just take time for them to catch up. They will eat poorly become over populated and stressed out.

Realize that its Stress killing most people, I'll give you one thing Americans are a Stressful bunch.


You live down in Florida and life's slower for sure, lucky I live in the west. In the Desert we are not all cracked up, but we moved here to get away from Unions and Social Programs. How about no government and we just fend for ourselves. If I need a Doctor I trade him a couple Chickens and he makes a house call like my doctor use to before he dropped dead a few years ago. I'm lucky I have one as a Neighbor so he will stop by if I holler at him, but my guy on insurance wants and appointment he is two hours late to. or wants a three day notice to see him, by then I'm dead or feel better.

The Country you talk about with Social Programs the people are entitled to care, we are only entitled to take care of dead beats & pay Insurance.

The care isn't going to get better
 
See, its the lawyers, not the doctors who have been empowered by the judicial system to destroy the country.

That is the missing link you don't see in the other countries.


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I've been to a few countries and know people all over the globe. Almost all of them don't like socialized medicine.

As far as the stress factor, America wins hands down. We in the states are very stressed. Mostly because of debt. We become slaves to our jobs because of debt.
I think something went wrong when we adopted the idea of capitalism. The term used to be free enterprise, that's the premise behind the constitution. When we adopted the capitalist pov, we got uber rich, and corporations started running the gob'ment.

If money is the root of evil, and money leads to power, and power corrupts, ..............
 
Insurance is just an extension of the verse shown below. What did people do before insurance was invented? They took responsibility for their actions. They saved their money for when they needed it, like for medical bills, or repairs of any sort. People do not save their money anymore, they use credit and insurance to solve their problems, both of which are not your money. Medical bills would be less than 100th of what they are now if insurance were never invented. If you want to know who loves money the most, just look around your town and see who has the largest buildings.... banks and insurance companies.

1 Timothy 6:10

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


I'm fairly certain that if insurance becomes a requirement of law, then their will be a lot of people going to jail for not participating. Insurance is just the beginning of the snowball effect of destroying lives.


Derrel, you hit the nail on the head with that one!!

Insurance was virtually non-existent with the exception of the shipping industry until the 1900's. There was little other insurance available except for a scattering of fire insurance.

How in the world did we make it all those years without insurance?

I remember years ago at a car lot selling a Toyota Tercel to a 19 year old young man with perfect credit. His car payment was $300 per month, but his insurance was $500 per month.

It all goes back to the lawyers and the government working hand in hand. Accidents happen. Someone is always at fault. The simple fact is that person should pay, not 100 other people, like this 19 year old, who weren't at fault for anything.

Banking changed forever in the early 1900's. When the bankers got fully in bed with the government we were doomed from that point. Andrew Jackson was the last President to pay off all the country's debt. He hated banks. But those after him saw the political advantage of going to bet with the scum.
 
Derrel, you hit the nail on the head with that one!!

Insurance was virtually non-existent with the exception of the shipping industry until the 1900's. There was little other insurance available except for a scattering of fire insurance.

How in the world did we make it all those years without insurance?

I remember years ago at a car lot selling a Toyota Tercel to a 19 year old young man with perfect credit. His car payment was $300 per month, but his insurance was $500 per month.

It all goes back to the lawyers and the government working hand in hand. Accidents happen. Someone is always at fault. The simple fact is that person should pay, not 100 other people, like this 19 year old, who weren't at fault for anything.

Banking changed forever in the early 1900's. When the bankers got fully in bed with the government we were doomed from that point. Andrew Jackson was the last President to pay off all the country's debt. He hated banks. But those after him saw the political advantage of going to bet with the scum.

Not only that, but insurance used to be optional. Now you might go to jail if you don't have it. It's not a direct result, but rather a round-about .... no insurance = driver license gets suspended (with no notification) + tag gets suspended (again, no notification). If you get stopped (and I have) you had better act stumped about all of it and be ready to pay a crap load of fees and fines.

Whatever happened to the right to travel protected by the Constitution?
 
Right to travel in the constitution? I may have to reread it. As far as I understand the highways were for government use originally.
 
Right to travel in the constitution? I may have to reread it. As far as I understand the highways were for government use originally.

Lol. The government had little to do with highways early on. Private contractors built the roads and collected tolls.

It was determined that the Federal Government had an obligation to encourage commerce routes between the states and they took over.

Drivers licenses were originally only for businesses since the early founding fathers would not dare hamper the movement of private citizens through a license, tax or fee especially since they had just fought a war against a government that did that very thing.

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Lol. The government had little to do with highways early on. Private contractors built the roads and collected tolls.

It was determined that the Federal Government had an obligation to encourage commerce routes between the states and they took over.

Drivers licenses were originally only for businesses since the early founding fathers would not dare hamper the movement of private citizens through a license, tax or fee especially since they had just fought a war against a government that did that very thing.

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LOL! No kidding? My how times have changed!
 
LOL! No kidding? My how times have changed!

Times haven't changed that much, but the BS people believe being spewed from LEO's is.

U.S. SUPREME COURT AND OTHER HIGH COURT CITATIONS PROVING THAT NO LICENSE IS NECESSARY FOR NORMAL USE OF AN AUTOMOBILE ON COMMON WAYS

"The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guaranty one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing another's rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct." Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11 American Jurisprudence, Constitutional Law, section 329, page 1135

"The right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, in the ordinary course of life and business, is a common right which he has under the right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right, in so doing, to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day, and under the existing modes of travel, includes the right to drive a horse drawn carriage or wagon thereon or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purpose of life and business." -Thompson vs. Smith, supra.; Teche Lines vs. Danforth, Miss., 12 S.2d 784

"… the right of the citizen to drive on a public street with freedom from police interference… is a fundamental constitutional right" -White, 97 Cal.App.3d.141, 158 Cal.Rptr. 562, 566-67 (1979)

“citizens have a right to drive upon the public streets of the District of Columbia or any other city absent a constitutionally sound reason for limiting their access.” Caneisha Mills v. D.C. 2009

“The use of the automobile as a necessary adjunct to the earning of a livelihood in modern life requires us in the interest of realism to conclude that the RIGHT to use an automobile on the public highways partakes of the nature of a liberty within the meaning of the Constitutional guarantees. . .” Berberian v. Lussier (1958) 139 A2d 869, 872, See also: Schecter v. Killingsworth, 380 P.2d 136, 140; 93 Ariz. 273 (1963).

“The right to operate a motor vehicle [an automobile] upon the public streets and highways is not a mere privilege. It is a right of liberty, the enjoyment of which is protected by the guarantees of the federal and state constitutions.” Adams v. City of Pocatello, 416 P.2d 46, 48; 91 Idaho 99 (1966).

“A traveler has an equal right to employ an automobile as a means of transportation and to occupy the public highways with other vehicles in common use.” Campbell v. Walker, 78 Atl. 601, 603, 2 Boyce (Del.) 41.

“The owner of an automobile has the same right as the owner of other vehicles to use the highway,* * * A traveler on foot has the same right to the use of the public highways as an automobile or any other vehicle.” Simeone v. Lindsay, 65 Atl. 778, 779; Hannigan v. Wright, 63 Atl. 234, 236.

"The RIGHT of the citizen to DRIVE on the public street with freedom from police interference, unless he is engaged in suspicious conduct associated in some manner with criminality is a FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT which must be protected by the courts." People v. Horton 14 Cal. App. 3rd 667 (1971)

“The right to make use of an automobile as a vehicle of travel long the highways of the state, is no longer an open question. The owners thereof have the same rights in the roads and streets as the drivers of horses or those riding a bicycle or traveling in some other vehicle.” House v. Cramer, 112 N.W. 3; 134 Iowa 374; Farnsworth v. Tampa Electric Co. 57 So. 233, 237, 62 Fla. 166.

“The automobile may be used with safety to others users of the highway, and in its proper use upon the highways there is an equal right with the users of other vehicles properly upon the highways. The law recognizes such right of use upon general principles. Brinkman v Pacholike, 84 N.E. 762, 764, 41 Ind. App. 662, 666.

“The law does not denounce motor carriages, as such, on public ways. They have an equal right with other vehicles in common use to occupy the streets and roads. It is improper to say that the driver of the horse has rights in the roads superior to the driver of the automobile. Both have the right to use the easement.” Indiana Springs Co. v. Brown, 165 Ind. 465, 468.

“A highway is a public way open and free to any one who has occasion to pass along it on foot or with any kind of vehicle.” Schlesinger v. City of Atlanta, 129 S.E. 861, 867, 161 Ga. 148, 159; Holland v. Shackelford, 137 S.E. 2d 298, 304, 220 Ga. 104; Stavola v. Palmer, 73 A.2d 831, 838, 136 Conn. 670

“There can be no question of the right of automobile owners to occupy and use the public streets of cities, or highways in the rural districts.” Liebrecht v. Crandall, 126 N.W. 69, 110 Minn. 454, 456

"The word ‘automobile’ connotes a pleasure vehicle designed for the transportation of persons on highways." -American Mutual Liability Ins. Co., vs. Chaput, 60 A.2d 118, 120; 95 NH 200

Motor Vehicle: 18 USC Part 1 Chapter 2 section 31 definitions:

"(6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways…" 10) The term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit.

"A motor vehicle or automobile for hire is a motor vehicle, other than an automobile stage, used for the transportation of persons for which remuneration is received." -International Motor Transit Co. vs. Seattle, 251 P. 120

The term ‘motor vehicle’ is different and broader than the word ‘automobile.’" -City of Dayton vs. DeBrosse, 23 NE.2d 647, 650; 62 Ohio App. 232

"Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put rather than according to the means by which they are propelled" - Ex Parte Hoffert, 148 NW 20

"The Supreme Court, in Arthur v. Morgan, 112 U.S. 495, 5 S.Ct. 241, 28 L.Ed. 825, held that carriages were properly classified as household effects, and we see no reason that automobiles should not be similarly disposed of." Hillhouse v United States, 152 F. 163, 164 (2nd Cir. 1907).

"...a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon..." State vs. Johnson, 243 P. 1073; Cummins vs. Homes, 155 P. 171; Packard vs. Banton, 44 S.Ct. 256; Hadfield vs. Lundin, 98 Wash 516, Willis vs. Buck, 263 P. l 982; Barney vs. Board of Railroad Commissioners, 17 P.2d 82

"The use of the highways for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common and fundamental Right of which the public and the individual cannot be rightfully deprived." Chicago Motor Coach vs. Chicago, 169 NE 22; Ligare vs. Chicago, 28 NE 934; Boon vs. Clark, 214 SSW 607; 25 Am.Jur. (1st) Highways Sect.163

"the right of the Citizen to travel upon the highway and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business… is the usual and ordinary right of the Citizen, a right common to all." - Ex Parte Dickey, (Dickey vs. Davis), 85 SE 781

“Every Citizen has an unalienable RIGHT to make use of the public highways of the state; every Citizen has full freedom to travel from place to place in the enjoyment of life and liberty.” People v. Nothaus, 147 Colo. 210.

"No State government entity has the power to allow or deny passage on the highways, byways, nor waterways... transporting his vehicles and personal property for either recreation or business, but by being subject only to local regulation i.e., safety, caution, traffic lights, speed limits, etc. Travel is not a privilege requiring licensing, vehicle registration, or forced insurances." Chicago Coach Co. v. City of Chicago, 337 Ill. 200, 169 N.E. 22.

"Traffic infractions are not a crime." People v. Battle

"Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right... may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right." Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969).

"The word 'operator' shall not include any person who solely transports his own property and who transports no persons or property for hire or compensation." Statutes at Large California Chapter 412 p.83

"Highways are for the use of the traveling public, and all have the right to use them in a reasonable and proper manner; the use thereof is an inalienable right of every citizen." Escobedo v. State 35 C2d 870 in 8 Cal Jur 3d p.27

“RIGHT -- A legal RIGHT, a constitutional RIGHT means a RIGHT protected by the law, by the constitution, but government does not create the idea of RIGHT or original RIGHTS; it acknowledges them. . . “ Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914, p. 2961.

“Those who have the right to do something cannot be licensed for what they already have right to do as such license would be meaningless.” City of Chicago v Collins 51 NE 907, 910.

“A license means leave to do a thing which the licensor could prevent.” Blatz Brewing Co. v. Collins, 160 P.2d 37, 39; 69 Cal. A. 2d 639.

“The object of a license is to confer a right or power, which does not exist without it.” Payne v. Massey (19__) 196 SW 2nd 493, 145 Tex 273.

“The court makes it clear that a license relates to qualifications to engage in profession, business, trade or calling; thus, when merely traveling without compensation or profit, outside of business enterprise or adventure with the corporate state, no license is required of the natural individual traveling for personal business, pleasure and transportation.” Wingfield v. Fielder 2d Ca. 3d 213 (1972).

“If [state] officials construe a vague statute unconstitutionally, the citizen may take them at their word, and act on the assumption that the statute is void.” - Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969).

"With regard particularly to the U.S. Constitution, it is elementary that a Right secured or protected by that document cannot be overthrown or impaired by any state police authority." Donnolly vs. Union Sewer Pipe Co., 184 US 540; Lafarier vs. Grand Trunk R.R. Co., 24 A. 848; O'Neil vs. Providence Amusement Co., 108 A. 887.

"The right to travel (called the right of free ingress to other states, and egress from them) is so fundamental that it appears in the Articles of Confederation, which governed our society before the Constitution." (Paul v. Virginia).

"[T]he right to travel freely from State to State ... is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." (U.S. Supreme Court, Shapiro v. Thompson).

EDGERTON, Chief Judge: “Iron curtains have no place in a free world. ...'Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the Constitution.' Williams v. Fears, 179 U.S. 270, 274, 21 S.Ct. 128, 45 L.Ed. 186.

“Our nation has thrived on the principle that, outside areas of plainly harmful conduct, every American is left to shape his own life as he thinks best, do what he pleases, go where he pleases.” Id., at 197. Kent vs. Dulles see Vestal, Freedom of Movement, 41 Iowa L.Rev. 6, 13—14.

“The validity of restrictions on the freedom of movement of particular individuals, both substantively and procedurally, is precisely the sort of matter that is the peculiar domain of the courts.” Comment, 61 Yale L.J. at page 187.

“a person detained for an investigatory stop can be questioned but is “not obliged to answer, answers may not be compelled, and refusal to answer furnishes no basis for an arrest.”Justice White, Hiibel

“Automobiles have the right to use the highways of the State on an equal footing with other vehicles.” Cumberland Telephone. & Telegraph Co. v Yeiser 141 Kentucy 15.

“Each citizen has the absolute right to choose for himself the mode of conveyance he desires, whether it be by wagon or carriage, by horse, motor or electric car, or by bicycle, or astride of a horse, subject to the sole condition that he will observe all those requirements that are known as the law of the road.” Swift v City of Topeka, 43

The Supreme Court said in U.S. v Mersky (1960) 361 U.S. 431: An administrative regulation, of course, is not a "statute."

A traveler on foot has the same right to use of the public highway as an automobile or any other vehicle. Cecchi v. Lindsay, 75 Atl. 376, 377, 1 Boyce (Del.) 185.

Automotive vehicles are lawful means of conveyance and have equal rights upon the streets with horses and carriages. Chicago Coach Co. v. City of Chicago, 337 Ill. 200, 205; See also: Christy v. Elliot, 216 Ill. 31; Ward v. Meredith, 202 Ill. 66; Shinkle v. McCullough, 116 Ky. 960; Butler v. Cabe, 116 Ark. 26, 28-29.

…automobiles are lawful vehicles and have equal rights on the highways with horses and carriages. Daily v. Maxwell, 133 S.W. 351, 354. Matson v. Dawson, 178 N.W. 2d 588, 591.

A farmer has the same right to the use of the highways of the state, whether on foot or in a motor vehicle, as any other citizen. Draffin v. Massey, 92 S.E.2d 38, 42.

Persons may lawfully ride in automobiles, as they may lawfully ride on bicycles. Doherty v. Ayer, 83 N.E. 677, 197 Mass. 241, 246; Molway v. City of Chicago, 88 N.E. 485, 486, 239 Ill. 486; Smiley v. East St. Louis Ry. Co., 100 N.E. 157, 158.

"A soldier's personal automobile is part of his ‘household goods[.]’ U.S. v Bomar, C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235" 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West) pocket part 94. "t is a jury question whether ... an automobile ... is a motor vehicle[.]" United States v Johnson, 718 F.2d 1317, 1324 (5th Cir. 1983).

Other right to use an automobile cases:

- EDWARDS VS. CALIFORNIA, 314 U.S. 160
- TWINING VS NEW JERSEY, 211 U.S. 78
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My wife and I are celebrating our 10th wedding anniversary this month and planned a trip to Washington DC to celebrate. We are leaving this Saturday the 12th and ....... just our luck..... the government has closed all the exhibits.
 
Flipper, the problem is the anti-trust exemption that the health insurance companies have. Here in Alabama, Blue Cross Blue Shield has about a 90% market share. In other states, there is one very dominant provider. When you control that much of the market, you can charge what you want to people and pay the doctors what you want, when you want. The solution is simple, get government out of it and allow people a choice. Have you ever heard a national outcry over the cost of car insurance? No you haven't. There are 2 reason for that: #1 If I don't like State Farm, I call Allstate or Progressive or Geico or whoever. I have multiple choices that I can pick from. #2 I don't use my car insurance for oil change or tires. I pay out of pocket for those items and use my insurance when I get into an accident. People should pay cash for basic doctor visits out of a tax free health savings account. Those two simple, free-market principles will cost very little and will do much more to lower costs than a 2700 page piece of legislation full of government red tape and bureaucracy.
 
My wife and I are celebrating our 10th wedding anniversary this month and planned a trip to Washington DC to celebrate. We are leaving this Saturday the 12th and ....... just our luck..... the government has closed all the exhibits.

Baltimore has plenty. You have to pay but its worth it. Not far from dc

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Mike I got you a Signature , theres a video how to change it if you need to
Baltimore has plenty. You have to pay but its worth it. Not far from dc

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