PWNA - Who authorized this?

Is anyone aware the first and only official forum of the Pwna was here and is still here. It was officially made the first forum until we built there own.

The forum was renamed Pwna instead of official forum at there request.

The struggle to participate in social media is mind boggling.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
There are two sides to every story out there. Like many here I want to know the other side story. I can’t in good conscience say this or that side is correct unless I have all the facts from both parties. Ask yourself this; if you were on a Jury and you only heard the prosecutor present evidence and speak, but the defense didn’t speak. Would you condemn a man for murder? I would hope your answer is no. There are many things I don’t know about this, many questions unanswered, and yes I would like an explanation…… no I take that back I would love the truth and the record set straight. However I know now that won’t happen. Certain people here know why the PWNA won’t speak. So unfortunately in closing the answer to our questions and concerns won’t come. If the PWNA is reading this then I strongly urge you all to speak. Settle this matter once and for all and be done, but I understand the reasoning why you haven’t and why you probably won’t.
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if they chose to not defend themselves and there was enough evidence to find them guilty, then yea guilty it is. It is up to them to put on a defense if they choose not to then they screwed up.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Guy, I said if you were on a Jury not if you were the defendant. Total different meanings between the two. So yes I agree with you, but I wasn't using that analogy.
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I understand what you said Kris, the verdict comes from the jury that judges evidence presented to them. If no defense is given they must judge by what evidence is presented. Same for prosecution, they present no evidence then the jury has no choice but to find not guilty.
 
Better question to ask is can you make a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt? In court a man is only convicted if the jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Remember what I said before, innocent until proven guilty. I have reasonable doubt.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Better question to ask is can you make a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt? In court a man is only convicted if the jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Remember what I said before, innocent until proven guilty. I have reasonable doubt.
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1 You have reasonable doubt about what? 2 What is your reasonable doubt?
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Better question to ask is can you make a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt? In court a man is only convicted if the jury finds him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Remember what I said before, innocent until proven guilty. I have reasonable doubt.
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Kristopher, I wouldn't mind talking to you on the phone about this. Call me whenever you like. I will take notes while we speak, I would encourage you to also. This will serve as official written permission for to record the entire call and share it anywhere and with anyone you like.

When we are done I will send you an email highlighting what we talked about.

Please feel free to post your notes here and I will do the same. When two people speak the truth on phone calls there is nothing to fear about that conversation becoming public.

When we are done speaking (or before we speak, the order of conversations is moot) I would encourage you to call Robert Hinderliter and ask him the following questions:

1) Did you send a copy of your (Robert's) BMPs to Nevada regulators asking them to change their BMPs to match his BMPs?

2) As Environmental Chair of the PWNA who authorized him to do that?

3) Does Robert own any cleaning companies in the state of Nevada that would prompt his correspondence with officials there?

4) Did he offer to help rewrite the Las Vegas BMPS for a fee?

5) Did he use the YouTube page of a Nevada contractor as an example of how Las Vegas contractors routinely pollute? And would he please send you a link, like the did for the regulators so that you can see for yourself.

6) Did he ask a State of Nevada regulator to speak a closed event without Notifying the Sheltons who operate three Cleaning businesses in that state without informing them that the regulator was there and inviting them, all while carrying on text conversations with Mr. Shelton during the event. And Why did he not invite the Sheltons to participate in that portion of the event as prescribed by law?

Before you call I would like to invite you to read the following linked thread, from two years ago, so you can see that we tried to be a part of this BMP process and were ignored. You need this background information before you can develop an understanding of the history of what is happening.

http://www.propowerwash.com/board/upload/showthread.php?t=22557

Thanks Kristopher. I hope you can get enough information from both sides to remove any doubt one way or the other.

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The Largest thing here is no secrets from our org or others in our org. Even when mistakes are made, we will make mistakes.

I think a Mistake here is perception of shopping.

Its sorta like this, Robert Wears two hats. maybe 3?

When Robert is Talking on Behalf of his Sons Company who he has Stated Funds him www.powerwashstore.com He thinks privately he can do as he likes. This would be true if the association was Never used in any manner. We all know this is impossible because He has stated on multiple occasions regulators won't listen to just any Tom DICK or Harry.

The Line is Crossed and he thinks I have not acted as PWNA person, I'm working for my company. I'm the Lone Gunmen in the industry not representing anyone but myself.

Unfortunately we Pay the price for the years of allowing Distributors to even be in these positions with out checks and balance.

Who is to Blame? Since we all want to Say lets all just forget about it and move forward we are to blame. This isn't the first time this has happened, its been happening over and over again and again. Blame yourself if you have been one of these people who want to put things in the past, your the reason the industry has a perception of polluters.

We now have a Chance to work in a Positive manner to change, change is what is needed. Promoting you turn each other in and promoting us a polluters has Back fired on the industry, its not working any place and if Ft. Worth Changing the its BMP's recent isn't the proof that Region 6 Declared the old on Illegal and no one would Listen.

Still a National Association has adopted a program the EPA themselves has Stated no good.


The time is now, help the industry become better and have a Long life of quality contractors not doing cosmetic cleaning but much more by health & Safety cleaning.

We have to change the perception that was so wrong over the Years. Together we can repair the Damage and change !!!

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Tony E, all you're doing here is changing my analogy and that was not what the exercise was intended for.

Tony S, I have to respectfully decline your offer. My reason is simple. I do not wish to risk the friendship I have or am building with my fellow contractors.

Rance and Tony E, My reasonable doubt would only cause more conflict and that is not what I want.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Tony S, I have to respectfully decline your offer. My reason is simple. I do not wish to risk the friendship I have or am building with my fellow contractors.
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Uhhhh. What?

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Kristopher Pettitt said:
Tony E, all you're doing here is changing my analogy and that was not what the exercise was intended for.

Tony S, I have to respectfully decline your offer. My reason is simple. I do not wish to risk the friendship I have or am building with my fellow contractors.

Rance and Tony E, My reasonable doubt would only cause more conflict and that is not what I want.
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Those statements say much more than you might think about your position in this issue.
 
Kristopher Pettitt said:
Tony E, all you're doing here is changing my analogy and that was not what the exercise was intended for.

Tony S, I have to respectfully decline your offer. My reason is simple. I do not wish to risk the friendship I have or am building with my fellow contractors.

Rance and Tony E, My reasonable doubt would only cause more conflict and that is not what I want.
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That was the quickest "about-face" turnaround I have ever seen.

From, "I just want the truth" to "Oops, got caught grandstanding" in 2 milliseconds.

And here's a little advice for you young man. Any friend that you have to tip toe around being careful not to offend is not a friend, the are a user. Using your need to keep them as a friend to control your actions.

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