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I just don't get how you can sit there and say,..ok,..whats next AC,..like he's not to be held accountable for what he just did.

Doesn't matter what he does at this point,..the damage is done,..and CH won't ver be a viable roof cleaner,..there's no fixing it.

He is being judged right now by his peers,..and that doesn't carry any weight with you,..his kool-aid drinkers are bailing Ron,..

Jeff
 
I think he has a Up hill battle it seems

814jeffw said:
Ron,..not sure what you're reffering to about me proving something to you about him admitting "what it is"

You need to re-read what I wrote,..I said he admitted in the "9 Days" thread on RCIA that " bleach wash wasn't actually used to clean 50,000 roofs".

No,..I never said he staed what the product is. He wasn't about to do that.

But he finally did admit to it in the beginning of this thread.

Jeff
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814jeffw said:
I just don't get how you can sit there and say,..ok,..whats next AC,..like he's not to be held accountable for what he just did.

Doesn't matter what he does at this point,..the damage is done,..and CH won't ver be a viable roof cleaner,..there's no fixing it.

He is being judged right now by his peers,..and that doesn't carry any weight with you,..his kool-aid drinkers are bailing Ron,..

Jeff
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If hurt a Child godforbid while cleaning? Would you stop trying to make a living?

AC is better salemens than roof Cleaner, I'm certain of that.

Maybe AC will go a different direction, I honestly dont believe he a Bad person. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe hes a con man, I've been fooled before.

Just think Jeff, I wont owe anyone and apology.

I never said he product was great, I think his ideas and some of his equipment is very good.

I still think his rig is good and has gotten great reviews.

One product although it was big went south. Back to the drawing board and now real tough to make believers again.
 
"9 Days" thread page 7,..from AC to me,..just an excerpt:

"No I didn't clean 50000 roofs with this exact combo of products. In fact the system is very different as well. I recently in 2010 reported and improved the entire system chemicals and all to work better, easier and be completely compliant"

Jeff
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Is that his complete statement? HUMMMM, I guess will see what AC says.

Is there any possibility that the formula was changed since that conversation? I'm curiuos to hear what and how AC address this since I know they are freinds.

I'm sure Marcus is telling the truth but I'll wait to see if anything changed between that conversations and the time Manufacturing occured.

Its was like what 5 months

Maybe AC lied, maybe at the time it was the truth.

I do know this, it was a blunder so far.
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I quoted exactly what Marcus said about what you asked about, AC Lying to him.
Now, as far as "was the formula changed" goes, who gives a Rats Ass ?
There is no "formula" for Calcium Hypochlorite, it is what it is. And even IF there were a 'formula' Ron, it is no matter. AC and/or SOMEBODY had a responsibility to us roof cleaning contractors to quality control the product. And, there IS no 'formula" that will overcome the well known Calcium Hypochlorite Film, except to eliminate Calcium Hypochlorite from your cleaning composition almost completely.
 
814jeffw said:
"9 Days" thread page 7,..from AC to me,..just an excerpt:

"No I didn't clean 50000 roofs with this exact combo of products. In fact the system is very different as well. I recently in 2010 reported and improved the entire system chemicals and all to work better, easier and be completely compliant"

Jeff
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Well, Tony Ridge was AC's guy who did all the work at Terra Clean, let's SEE if they used this stuff ?
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
I quoted exactly what Marcus said about what you asked about, AC Lying to him.
Now, as far as "was the formula changed" goes, who gives a Rats Ass ?
There is no "formula" for Calcium Hypochlorite, it is what it is. And even IF there were a 'formula' Ron, it is no matter. AC and/or SOMEBODY had a responsibility to us roof cleaning contractors to quality control the product. And, there IS no 'formula" that will overcome the well known Calcium Hypochlorite Film, except to eliminate Calcium Hypochlorite from your cleaning composition almost completely.
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And What if it was changed from that conversation till now? Would it be considered a Lie, Look I'm not defending AC Chris. You have been around long enough to know things change. Business deals go Bad, shoot you told me AC was the guy and you stick by him no matter what. That mean your liar too?

No things happen!!! stuff can change, I like Marcus and believe him. Doesnt mean between now and that conversation way back things didnt change.

Anyway Here YA go
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Dang Jeff You Made Your Frigging Point So Quit Taking Your Frustrations Out On Ron.

I told you back at RCIA to give AC a chance to put this on the market, he did and now the truths are coming out, just like I told you they would. Now your points have been proved without making you look like an ass (Almost).

In working with CH for the last 12 years I knew what you were saying was true, I knew this may not work, but I wanted to see for myself (I was never buying this product anyway).
 
Kinda wishin I had never posted anything. Had I known then what I know now about Michael Hinderliter, I would have just called him directly and handled it with him. All I was tryin to do was prevent some guy's from using it and having what happened to me happen to them. I would never have wished this on A.C.

It was a heat of the moment thing and I'll never do that again. Seems this has turned into some kind of who can win the "I told you so back when, contest".
 
Doug Rucker said:
Kinda wishin I had never posted anything. Had I known then what I know now about Michael Hinderliter, I would have just called him directly and handled it with him. All I was tryin to do was prevent some guy's from using it and having what happened to me happen to them. I would never have wished this on A.C.

It was a heat of the moment thing and I'll never do that again. Seems this has turned into some kind of who can win the "I told you so back when, contest".
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Doug, although your post may have some unintended negative results, the trials and tribulations that you went through with this product, although difficult and unnerving, likely saved other contractors from the same fate. It stinks that you happened to be "that guy." In the end, if the product was not going to perform up to par, in true pressure washing industry form, this would have been made completely clear to everyone that has followed the product.

The person that should be sorry for all of this happening has not posted about the issue. Mike H. from Delux actually, in my eyes, looks like a hero for handling the matter the way that he did. Everyone knows where to place the blame. Perhaps this is all a big mistake, but like Guy B. said, I never planned on buying this product anyway. It appears from what was said that the liquid bleach mixture works and there is no "pitchman" needed to make that work. It is what most informed roof cleaners work with.

In the end, everyone can make their own decision about this whole scenario but the old line "caveat emptor" (buyer beware) applies to this as it does some other "gimmick" products in this industry.

It is a bid daunting to see these types of things happen over and over in this industry. Like has been said before.....same circus, different clowns!
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Dang Jeff You Made Your Frigging Point So Quit Taking Your Frustrations Out On Ron.

I told you back at RCIA to give AC a chance to put this on the market, he did and now the truths are coming out, just like I told you they would. Now your points have been proved without making you look like an ass (Almost).

In working with CH for the last 12 years I knew what you were saying was true, I knew this may not work, but I wanted to see for myself (I was never buying this product anyway).
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Hey Guy,..you are the one who looks like an a**,..don't down play it now,..you were one of the followers,...you're a frickin' clown and a coward,..you haven't posted anything on the RCIA about this mess yet.,..You only posted this to make it look like you had it all figured out as well.

Jeff
 
I'm not taking anything out on anyone,..it is what it is,...I haven't anything to be frustrated about,..Ha,Ha..,..you're living in a delusional world Guy. Yea,..I'm frustrated ,..EVERYTHING,..I posted on the "9 Days" thread about the bleach wash came to fruition,...you must have read the "callout" I did on the RCIA,..and thought you'd come here and pretend to be the hero for all of the Kool-Aid drinkers.

This is a SERIOUSLY weak effort on your part,...It's the Kool-Aid clowns like you why I don't bother becoming a premium member,..I don't want any part of the "Professional" side with guys like you in the picture.

Jeff
 
Doug Rucker said:
Kinda wishin I had never posted anything. Had I known then what I know now about Michael Hinderliter, I would have just called him directly and handled it with him. All I was tryin to do was prevent some guy's from using it and having what happened to me happen to them. I would never have wished this on A.C.

It was a heat of the moment thing and I'll never do that again. Seems this has turned into some kind of who can win the "I told you so back when, contest".
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Doug, do not allow anyone to make you feel bad about what you did. You did the right thing, and most certainly prevented countless numbers of other unsuspecting contractors from the horrors you experienced with this product. What about that roof cleaner down in Georgia, too far away from Michael Hinederliter and the considerable resources of Delux to be personally helped like you were ?
What if this little roof cleaner in Rural Georgia landed a whole subdivision of elderly people who WERE at home to witness this chit ?
In a small rural Georgia town, a fiasco like this could put him out of business for GOOD.
No amount of AC's Kool Aid would ever help him.
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Doug, do not allow anyone to make you feel bad about what you did. You did the right thing, and most certainly prevented countless numbers of other unsuspecting contractors from the horrors you experienced with this product. What about that roof cleaner down in Georgia, too far away from Michael Hinederliter and the considerable resources of Delux to be personally helped like you were ?
What if this little roof cleaner in Rural Georgia landed a whole subdivision of elderly people who WERE at home to witness this chit ?
In a small rural Georgia town, a fiasco like this could put him out of business for GOOD.
No amount of AC's Kool Aid would ever help him.
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Chris,..you are So right about that,..I agree,.what about the buckets of that crap that went out the door?

So what if they give a return on the product,..in some cases the damage may have already been done.

Jeff
 
Follower, What Follower??? Clown & a Coward??? Over What?? Washing A Roof??? You Gotta Be Kiddi'in Me Man!!!

Seems Your PMS Is Raging Again Jeff, Slap On A Maxi & You'll Be Fine.

Guess you forgot the PM's we traded, I was pretty clear on my position. Your toxic tirades are pretty old Jeff.

Head'em up And Move'em Out There Key Board Cowboy.........Yeee Hawwww!!!
 
814jeffw said:
Hey Guy,..you are the one who looks like an a**,..don't down play it now,..you were one of the followers,...you're a frickin' clown and a coward,..you haven't posted anything on the RCIA about this mess yet.,..You only posted this to make it look like you had it all figured out as well.

Jeff
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