Please tell me this is not a Certified Practice of Roof Cleaners in the RCIA HELP!!!!

One of the key things with what Ron said is that the Homeowner LET THE ROOF CLEANER DO THE JOB UNSAFELY.

If the guy fell off the roof then it would be an easy case for the roof cleaner's attorney as the homeowner let the situation happen, he should have done his homework and not hired the guy if he saw one of the youtube videos with the guy working unsafely on roofs.

With the technology these days, I am sure that they could find out if you saw any of the youtube videos, either from your computer, the youtube servers or from other sources as lots and lots of things are tracked these days for many different reasons.

Back at the refinery we had to sign papers for every different type of training we had, for safety meetings, for just about any type of communication so they would not be sued.

One time at the lab we were trained on a different, new type of testing equipment and were told to only do the tests a certain way and we asked why we couldn't do the tests a different, faster and easier way and they told us that when the machine was sold to other labs, a couple of labs had accidents and the techs sued the facility and won easily.

Without getting into every little detail we were told that no paperwork was signed stating to do the test a certain way so the facility "let them" do the test a different way and the tech got hurt, even though it was the tech's fault, not the equipment or the facility but since the facility "let them" do testing a different way by not having the training meeting signed, there was no proof that the training meeting ever happened so in court the meeting never happened even though other lab tech's testified that everyone had the training.

So, when you have someone that could be hurt on your property by working unsafely, you are risking being sued because you let the situation happen, you should do your homework and hire a contractor that does the job safely and you need to make sure the job is done safely or shut down the job and get another contractor so you don't "let the situation happen" and end up with a lawsuit if the contractor falls off the roof.

We all have heard of contractors and homeowners fall off roofs, some of us know personally some contractors that have fallen off of roofs so there is always a possibility of it happening, fall protection just takes a few more minutes to put on and secure yourself but it could save your life or the life of your workers and that is more important than trying to finish the job as fast as you can or trying to save a few bucks.
 
If nothing else this thread is great for raising awareness. I agree with Jim about the sneakers too. The guy in the video obviously has a good sense of balance, but one day taking risks like that, plus teaching others, will certainly result in some physical harm. You gotta admit he looks really cool doing it and someone else will likely try it.
 
These guys really are not considered industry leaders. They have maybe 2 yrs experiance cleaning roofs and they basically use everyone elses ideas and try to cion them as thier own. They even claim to have cleaned over 50000 roofs just check out thier website. The only reason they look dominating on the rcia is becuase they know how to build websites and revamped the rcia. Every picture they take you can see them wearing sneakers and nike workout pants to me that right there is unprofessional. But it just is what it is.
 
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In all fairness, with regards to the pitch....we cannot see the pitch of the back side of the roof. The first thing I look for when I arrive at a house is to determine the fewest (safe) ladder movements to spray the roof from. Sometimes, there is a safe pitch that gets you to the peak and you can spray almost the entire roof from there.....of course avoiding walking on a vent cap. Another thing, the steeper the pitch....the greater the chance the cleaner will run off the shingle tabs and miss the area right in front of the tabs. This is why many recommend spraying "bottom to top".

If it's (pitch) the same as the front, I agree with previous posts that it's not how I'd do this particular roof, I'd shoot from ladder or the lower flatter area.

I could probably hit that entire roof from the ground with my pump but getting out the small ladder isn't much extra effort plus you don't "dribble" any cleaner opening and closing the wand valve.

Regardless of pitch.....I personally wouldn't have made this video public. I think the same reasons it caught Ron's attention would be a negative to most home owners.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
In all fairness, with regards to the pitch....we cannot see the pitch of the back side of the roof. The first thing I look for when I arrive at a house is to determine the fewest (safe) ladder movements to spray the roof from. Sometimes, there is a safe pitch that gets you to the peak and you can spray almost the entire roof from there.....of course avoiding walking on a vent cap. Another thing, the steeper the pitch....the greater the chance the cleaner will run off the shingle tabs and miss the area right in front of the tabs. This is why many recommend spraying "bottom to top".

If it's (pitch) the same as the front, I agree with previous posts that it's not how I'd do this particular roof, I'd shoot from ladder or the lower flatter area.

I could probably hit that entire roof from the ground with my pump but getting out the small ladder isn't much extra effort plus you don't "dribble" any cleaner opening and closing the wand valve.

Regardless of pitch.....I personally wouldn't have made this video public. I think the same reasons it caught Ron's attention would be a negative to most home owners.
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Here's the real reason, this guy ugly now represents cleaners in my industry. Other pros and customers will be looking at him for guidance.

I hope he doesn't ever have to take the phone call from the devastated widow who just lost her husband do to a fall. Then live with the thought how he represented himself as the safe way contributed to a mans death.

This is all I fear, if some idiot not attached to a perceived industry org makes a stupid video I could careless.


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Michael DeRose said:
These guys really are not considered industry leaders. They have maybe 2 yrs experiance cleaning roofs and they basically use everyone elses ideas and try to cion them as thier own. They even claim to have cleaned over 50000 roofs just check out thier website. The only reason they look dominating on the rcia is becuase they know how to build websites and revamped the rcia. Every picture they take you can see them wearing sneakers and nike workout pants to me that right there is unprofessional. But it just is what it is.
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Mike when I seen Stevy wearing the black sweats and white sneakers, I was thinking the same thing. But then I realized he was dressed to go canvassing. He's a smart Kid! He deserve some credit for making as far as he has.

As far as the safety harness. I think they should be using one. Them house's are up there.
 
Art you can dress for canvassing in a uniform and still be comfortable. If some dude was walking around and knocked on my door i would greet him with the old 12 guage. But if he had a uniform on i might give him a chance. Even still why would you clean a roof with black swish pants and sneakers. Most of my customers would ask me to leave if my crew was dressed like that.
 
thesidingguy said:
Mike when I seen Stevy wearing the black sweats and white sneakers, I was thinking the same thing. But then I realized he was dressed to go canvassing. He's a smart Kid! He deserve some credit for making as far as he has.

As far as the safety harness. I think they should be using one. Them house's are up there.
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Art,
Mike called exactly as it is, the ideas implemented for RCIA were taken from P.R.C.A, at one point they were a part of. He is a smart kid, he knows computers, but the ideas for RCIA were not his. And yes Ron they are the new leaders/keyholders at RCIA.
http://www.professionalroofcleanersassociation.com/

As far as Ron's comments for safety, he is right, there are certain ways to walk asphalt roofs, this requires a few years of experience and agility to do this. Bob is good at what he does, but our 30yrs in the roofing industry there is far too many guys we have trained and you can see a difference in guys who are uncertain on a roof. The problem is you get a couple young guys working together on a roof and they challenge each other, testosterone kicks in, that is where accidents will happen. While it is impressive and gets the "wow" from many guys, it may bring issues for new comers to the business, especially if they are young.

Kim Rousseau
 


Great Stuff, i like it. Nice and professional


randyr5150 said:
Art,
Mike called exactly as it is, the ideas implemented for RCIA were taken from P.R.C.A, at one point they were a part of. He is a smart kid, he knows computers, but the ideas for RCIA were not his. And yes Ron they are the new leaders/keyholders at RCIA.
http://www.professionalroofcleanersassociation.com/

As far as Ron's comments for safety, he is right, there are certain ways to walk asphalt roofs, this requires a few years of experience and agility to do this. Bob is good at what he does, but our 30yrs in the roofing industry there is far too many guys we have trained and you can see a difference in guys who are uncertain on a roof. The problem is you get a couple young guys working together on a roof and they challenge each other, testosterone kicks in, that is where accidents will happen. While it is impressive and gets the "wow" from many guys, it may bring issues for new comers to the business, especially if they are young.

Kim Rousseau
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Welcome back!
 
Another roof org?
 
Chris,
Technically an association, a co-op so to speak. It has nothing to do with equipment chems etc. It is consumer orientated not contractor. There are many .orgs and associations but none directly geared to consumer education. Many companies fail in this industry because after they bought all the equipment and passed out flyers/brochures etc., when the phones fail to ring, thats when things fall apart. Many new start-ups in different parts of the country where roof cleaning is unheard of by consumers and needs to be addressed as a group effort. Networking together trying new marketing ideas and such. I have heard this problem too many times on bbs. It seems so simple for consumers to get it, yet they don't .
Hope that helps you understand what it is we are attempting to do. ( And there is no fees involved.)
Sorry Ron for derailing this thread, please feel free to delete or move, I do not want to step on your topic nor push a plug here for the association.
Thanks
Kim Rousseau
 
The vid has been removed? The first one Ron posted? So I cant see what everyone is talking about.

I also dont keep up with new orgs, and all.

Also I agree and disagree with some stuff said in this thread. One thing I disagree on are shoes. Everyone should know that the softer the rubber sole on the shoe the better it grips the roof. That would be sneakers.

They make a shoe for roofs. I think it's called tiger paws? I know nothing about these, havent bought a pair.
 
Cougar paws.

All I want to know is if the new org has an awesome sticker and will I actually get mine if I join.
 
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