No Liquid Chlorine

Actually the combined container capacity still goes over compliance. The DOT cops in Florida were very specific about that, and that is the fed law. If the combined container capacity is capable of going over the limit that is a violation regardless of the amount in the containers. The funny thing is they did not realize the weight of SH being 10lbs per gallon is set at 100gallon capacity not 120. So it's easy to see discrepancy in this. My supplier will not load two drums on a truck without a placard, but others will because it is hard to understand the compliance laws.

The plain and unfortunate truth is if you have more than a 50 gallon mix plus a 50 gallon hold tank you are not compliant. You can easily verify this with your states DOT training officers. I have to say when it's this complicated to be compliant most people will not be, especially with the poor enforcement. So you have to make one of those awesome business decisions that may be outside your comfort zone. To uphold or break the law based on the effect of the bottom line... It's easy to see were most of us are on that decision.
 
I know this may start allot of back and forth but have you considered calcium hypochlorite? Its easy to store, has a good shelf life, cleans as good as SH and can be carried easily on your truck. Here is a video of me cleaning with calcium hypochlorite.


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I pick up one drum of 12.5% from Univar all the time. They said I can carry one but not two because it goes over 1000 lbs. They are 55gal drums filled to 53gal. Never had a problem.
 
For a short time a few years ago I had a black 125 gallon tank on the roof cleaning trailer that I would have a local supplier fill up to about 95 gallons more or less but the tank capacity is 125 gallons. They are a bulk hauler and supplier and the only thing that they told me to do is put placards on the tank itself.

I guess it just depends on the officer's interpretation of the D.O.T. regulations.

If you look at a placard chart it specifically states that 1001 pounds or more you have to have placards, CDL with Hazmat Endorsement, etc..... but states nothing about the size of tank, it's capacity or anything else, just clear to the point about the weight.

I have had a few suppliers that have different weights on the drums, I have had drums that weighed 530, 540, 560 and 570 pounds each for the same product but different suppliers so you can't go by a blanket weight for all suppliers as they have different recipe's, that is just common sense, you have to go by their msds, their bill of lading and their CofA so you know exactly the weight of their product, not someone else's product so you are in compliance.

Another thing is that there are fleet washers that know the D.O.T. regulations (I am sure that some of them will chime in if they read this thread) that fill up their bulk tanks to an amount, fill their 55 gallon drums to an amount that is under the 1000 pounds but the tanks and containers can physically hold more than what they put in the tanks/drums at the beginning of the day but they put that amount on their bill of lading/manifest and there have not ever been any issues in many, many years, even with D.O.T. inspections of their trucks and at their shops doing this the way they do so I doubt that it is up to the container capacity instead of the actual amount that is loaded and documented.
 
apwasher said:
Actually the combined container capacity still goes over compliance. The DOT cops in Florida were very specific about that, and that is the fed law. If the combined container capacity is capable of going over the limit that is a violation regardless of the amount in the containers. The funny thing is they did not realize the weight of SH being 10lbs per gallon is set at 100gallon capacity not 120. So it's easy to see discrepancy in this. My supplier will not load two drums on a truck without a placard, but others will because it is hard to understand the compliance laws.

The plain and unfortunate truth is if you have more than a 50 gallon mix plus a 50 gallon hold tank you are not compliant. You can easily verify this with your states DOT training officers. I have to say when it's this complicated to be compliant most people will not be, especially with the poor enforcement. So you have to make one of those awesome business decisions that may be outside your comfort zone. To uphold or break the law based on the effect of the bottom line... It's easy to see were most of us are on that decision.
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Bill, I think your a little confused with this. It isn't what the container will hold, it is how much is in the container. Here is where you might have gotten confused. Say you have 80 gallons of water and you add 20 gallons of SH to the mix, that mix just became classified as 100 gallons of SH, not 20. IF you mix any water to your chemical, they consider the whole container as the total weight of the chemical.

So guys, don't think just cause your mix has only 100 gallons of SH and your total mix with water and soap is say 240 gallons, the DOT says that that container now is 240 gallons of SH. SO be careful out there and know the law.....
 
yep ur right about that. crazy thing is, I can have a 5 gallon bucket of soap, classified as materials of trade, dont need nothing for it, but if I dump it in the drum, top it off with water, just like I do every day, its considered hazardous. I have to keep a bill of lading for it then, have a MCS 90 form, the 1million dollar insurance and all the other crap ur supposed to have if your hauling more than M.O.T., I just had to go threw an DOT Audit a couple weeks ago, 5 hrs to go threw all this crap.
 
Dura Chlor

Dura Chlor

I was at the S/H supply today and I was talking to the counter clerk about winter cleaning. He recommended Dura Chlore by Alden Leads. He said it is a finer mix and shouldn't leave a film if mixed correctly. Has any of you guy tried this stuff. www.aldenleeds.com

Dura Chlor


57% Sodium dichloro triazinetrione.

35% Available chlorine.
1/2 - 1 ounce per 1,000 gallons to chlorate.
 
Art Oliveri said:
Dura Chlor

I was at the S/H supply today and I was talking to the counter clerk about winter cleaning. He recommended Dura Chlore by Alden Leads. He said it is a finer mix and shouldn't leave a film if mixed correctly. Has any of you guy tried this stuff. www.aldenleeds.com

Dura Chlor


57% Sodium dichloro triazinetrione.

35% Available chlorine.
1/2 - 1 ounce per 1,000 gallons to chlorate.
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