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I thought Tony was always right.......

We are talking about a profession that should be paid well, honored and respected. There are few with the temperament and morals to fulfill the duties required.

The only answer to this problem is start a massive decriminalization of victimless crimes so fewer officers are needed and they can concentrate on protecting the public.

This could be accomplished much faster if they just refused to arrest for victimless crimes like the State Attorney in Illinios.

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Michael DeRose said:
Or someone that's high on weed kills an innocent person walking down the street. That is why the police must lock up these dope heads.and drunks.
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Now you have hit on something Michael. There are two alternatives here.

1) Severe penalties for driving under the influence backed by documentable video, dashcam evidence that justify the suspicion of illegal activity.

Or

2) Very severe penalties up to and including the death penalty for murdering someone with a car while drunk or high.

Either of these options would protect the public while preserving the rights of the innocent.

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Michael DeRose said:
Lastly the profession dosent pay well for the shit that is dealt with day in day out.
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That's the primary reason the "profession" has so many looser's employed. They'll pretty much accept anyone that can pass the basic tests.

I say double the pay and remove all immunity. Educate them to understand that only in a situation where someone has been harmed (or a clear threat exists) can they be justified in using any sort of force... ANY sort. Obviously there are so many different scenarios, that this would not apply to all of them, but the point is to reduce the needless violence perpetrated by the police. LEOs are an important part of our system and they should be treated with respect... but they should earn it, not expect it.

The government expects people to rat out their neighbors, it's time the cops started ratting out their colleges.

 
I disagree Derrel. There are many people who serve their country for the sole purpose of serving. Making a living along the way is necessary, but making MORE money than one would make in the civilian world is a recipe for corruption as we have seen.

I say make all police and military pay identical. Period.

If we got rid of all the ridiculous drug laws there would be very little monetary corruption in the police force because there wouldn't be so much unaccounted for money sitting around tempting them to steal.

Then we would get real public servants who love the citizens and love the work instead of opportunists.

As it stands right now they get paid very well in many communities yet they still can't resist stealing:

 
RGilliam said:
do you guys think all cops are scum bags?
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As for me, I do not think that at all. It just seems to me there are more "bad" cops than "good" cops. "Good" cops tend to get pulled into being "bad" cops by following the examples of other "bad" cops (they want to fit in). I can also see where a "good" cop can be threatened by "bad" cops to keep their mouth shut.

Tony Shelton said:
I say make all police and military pay identical.
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The point I was making was to raise the bar to get the very best of the best. If you can't train the "bad" cops to be "good" cops, then buy the "good" cops that would otherwise not be interested in being a cop at all. Only the best of the best would get the best pay. By removing their immunity, you can be sure if they screw up, they'll be gone for good and the replacement(s) will have an example to go by... don't screw up.

Note: I personally have no clue what cops get paid nowadays. I do know you will be hard pressed to get a cop to give you his/her first name or find any personal information about them in the public records. They are scared to death of retaliation and for good reason. "Good" cops shouldn't fear retaliation.

I agree with getting rid of the bad "drug laws" (not the good ones). Greed does play a part in the corruption, but... if only the best cops are paid well, then that corruption would be minimized (refer to the lack of immunity).

I'm sure there are plenty of people here that know what a blanket party is. Imagine the same within the policing agencies, except their money and benefits get taken away (instead of a midnight beating) when someone doesn't act right.

Since the police are now being trained with military tactics (gestapo style) I suppose the pay should be the same, but how often do you see the military beating the crap out of an American for videoing them on their phone?

The overall point I suppose is to get our "servants" back in the role of protecting us and not attacking us just to walk away from any real justice. LEOs need to earn their respect back and stop attacking people because they don't respect them.
 
Why don't you post a poll?

You already know my position. I'll state it again for the record:

1) Every police officer who breaks the law, violates civil rights, causes unnecessary harm, or willfully violates his oath by enforcing unconstitutional laws or regulations (i.e. gun confiscation, etc) is a scumbag.

2) Every police officer who witnesses, suspects, or participates in the above activities and DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT AND PROSECUTE IT (if it is within their power) is a scumbag.

3) Whoever is left deserves our utmost respect and thanks for the job they do.

#3 are the ones I am addressing here in these posts. They are the ones who have the ability to make positive changes in this country. I will admit, I believe they are few and far between, but I know they exist.

The ones who fall into categories 1 and 2 will never give a crap about what I say or what the public says until their job is on the line. By that time it is too late, they don't have what it takes to be trusted by the public.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Why don't you post a poll?

You already know my position. I'll state it again for the record:

1) Every police officer who breaks the law, violates civil rights, causes unnecessary harm, or willfully violates his oath by enforcing unconstitutional laws or regulations (i.e. gun confiscation, etc) is a scumbag.

2) Every police officer who witnesses, suspects, or participates in the above activities and DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY REPORT IT AND PROSECUTE IT (if it is within their power) is a scumbag.

3) Whoever is left deserves our utmost respect and thanks for the job they do.

#3 are the ones I am addressing here in these posts. They are the ones who have the ability to make positive changes in this country. I will admit, I believe they are few and far between, but I know they exist.

The ones who fall into categories 1 and 2 will never give a crap about what I say or what the public says until their job is on the line. By that time it is too late, they don't have what it takes to be trusted by the public.
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I have to agree with Tony... he pretty much hit the nail on the head.
 
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