I thought Tony was always right.......

"Red" said:
Then you are submitting to their will. They don't want you to have guns. If you do, they will kill you regardless of the situation. You WILL do what they say.

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Anyone who says this kind of attitude is rare is a da#n liar. This is the prevalent attitude TAUGHT to the police by their training and through peer training

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"Red" said:
Here's what the cops think of the firemen (saving lives).

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What you posted is filled with mis-information. As with most things on this site, why should we allow the truth or reality to play a role...... but here it goes.......

At the scene of an actual fire, within established fire lines, the fire department is in charge of the scene. Once the fire is out and the investigation begins, that changes. In this instance, there already is a safety lane provided by the patrol car that is filming the incident. This looks like a motor vehicle accident with no fire. The police department is clearly in charge. The ambulance is to the shoulder of the road and the injured party can be moved on the stretcher to the waiting ambulance. The fire truck in this instance provides a traffic hinderance on a major highway. It should be moved in order to provide for better flowing traffic on the interstate. Just because there is an emergency, does not mean that the rest of the world should be unnecessarily inconvenienced. The fire truck should have been moved as it served no real purpose being in the location. The captain of the fire department should have moved the truck or had the driver move it, sad that it degardes to the level that it did, but the cop was in the right in accordance with the law. This should not have happened that way that it did. They both look foolish.

The other thing that is good to point out that anyone can make a video that is incomplete and does not have all of the facts associated with the case in the video. Thats the beauty of digital video editing.
 
Clean County PW said:
The last thing I want to see is a child with a loaded firearm..especially if there going thru puberty but hey Tony you think That's ok & that's fine. Good luck to ya on that one.

The problem is your Categorizing all cops to be bad because most of them don't spend there time locking up other cops or reporting cops. Your reading right past the facts I'm telling you about my uncle and some friends of mine who worked and are working in the Internal affairs division. None of them are there because there screwballs. There good cops as well. My uncle in your eyes would be God to you because he was involved in locking up some very bad cops. If I was in his position I would have done the same....but that wasn't my direction in my career.

The only thing I could show you that's public about me is when I was on the cover of the NY post or Daily news(Can never remember which newspaper which is buried in my closet) during the day of outrage in NY city in 87 where Sharpton and his cronies Mason & Maddox all got locked up.

The other one is my most disturbing moment as a cop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DEz_Yokh-g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If you go the 28th second in there and listen closely that officer Eddie Cormier is getting the info from me about the commercial jet because I happened to be on an alarm call with no one home in the other side of that hill when that jet crashed.

I went into that plane with McEnroe/Tatum O'niel's neighbor when no other cop was their yet.

In this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwT5fe3B_ng&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Freeze it at the 2:20 point you'll see me with my mustache and flashlight. All I did was my job what a good cops is supposed to do and most do just that.

Mike Pontillo also has a rock solid background who is climbing up the boss ladder because he does his job.

9-11 was a national hit we all took and your going to spew that those cops that died in those falling building when they were just trying to save some lives were bad cops because there is nowhere on there record that they turned cops in or locked up cops??

How about we put your life up there and see what your past contribution was to society. No one is labeling you like your labeling many good people.

So Tony since your now labeling Mike P. As a bad dude without knowing nothing about him but you now have a little tidbit about me.. Do I fall into your theory that just about all cops are bad? Keep in mind I never locked a cop and I did refused to work with a couple of cops in the late 80's that were rumored to be trouble who they ended up doing themselves in.

How do You even look a parent, a brother, a sister or a child in the eye who has lost their son/daughter,brother or sister or mother/father who happened to be a cop and were killed in the line of duty with your attitude that they were bad anyway?

Or did you never have to deal with that?

Besides all this crap because it's crap-- Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and yours.
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Why does the direction of your career effect whether or not you would turn in bad cops?

I want to ask you how do you look kids in the eye as you send mom/dad off to prison for a victimless crime? Or did you never have to deal with that?
 
The cop in the skateboard video needs to try and go to the WWE.He wasnt acting very well,for a police officer.No matter what you are taught how many schools you go to you cant teach common sense.Regarding the police arrest on the fireman that was stupid and prickified on the cops behalf.
 
I don't know how many times I have stated that there are bad apples in all professions. But you want cops to turn the cheek on an illegal activity and that is just insane. If you don't want to get locked up then don't have drugs on your person.
 
Diamond Jim said:
Sometimes people need to be protected from themselves . Maybe it's time to have a conversation on what a stroke can do to your brain function and how it changes your personality?

I know first hand what how brain function can change. I had open heart surgery 5 years ago and deal with pumphead. The after effects of being on the heart lung machine. It takes me an hour to write a paragraph.

MerryChristmas!
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Hmmmm, sounds like you do have some problems with brain function. Sounds like it effects you a lot. Maybe the gov should take swift action to revoke your drivers license to protect you. Well jeez if it takes you that long to write, your ability to make decisions must be impared. The gov probably aught to take your gun rights so they can protect you. Maybe we should have some gov agency and inspect your home, incase with your brain issues you trip or something. We better make sure your house is safe to protect you.

Maybe its time we DONT have a conversation. Live and let live!
 
RGilliam said:
so why is it everyone is talking and not taking action? If cops are so bad, and its so bad in your area, why not take a stand. I mean your saying all this on the internet, why not run for public office? Or go picket? Do something?
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I know Tony is taking action in LV. Putting things like this on the Internet is taking action. I personally attend meetings with other liberty minded people. We discuss issues and and raise money for pro liberty candidates. I don't have nearly as much time to devote to this as I would like to.
 
NJWashingGuy said:
What you posted is filled with mis-information. As with most things on this site, why should we allow the truth or reality to play a role...... but here it goes.......

At the scene of an actual fire, within established fire lines, the fire department is in charge of the scene. Once the fire is out and the investigation begins, that changes. In this instance, there already is a safety lane provided by the patrol car that is filming the incident. This looks like a motor vehicle accident with no fire. The police department is clearly in charge. The ambulance is to the shoulder of the road and the injured party can be moved on the stretcher to the waiting ambulance. The fire truck in this instance provides a traffic hinderance on a major highway. It should be moved in order to provide for better flowing traffic on the interstate. Just because there is an emergency, does not mean that the rest of the world should be unnecessarily inconvenienced. The fire truck should have been moved as it served no real purpose being in the location. The captain of the fire department should have moved the truck or had the driver move it, sad that it degardes to the level that it did, but the cop was in the right in accordance with the law. This should not have happened that way that it did. They both look foolish.

The other thing that is good to point out that anyone can make a video that is incomplete and does not have all of the facts associated with the case in the video. Thats the beauty of digital video editing.
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Does it ever end? Is there nothing you won't try to defend through some convoluted stretch of the law?

Once again there was an $18000 settlement in this case but the cop did nothing wrong.

This will only change when these settlements start coming out of the offending officers pockets and they are forced to forfeit their property and freedom just like the citizens they terrorize.

When they find themselves jobless, homeless, and living in despair smoking crack under a bridge because their life is ruined and tangled up in a legal mire they will start having compassion for the people they lock up on a daily basis ruining their lives and making it near impossible to get a job.

But it will never happen till we stop protecting them and "honoring" them for their abuse.

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Michael DeRose said:
I don't know how many times I have stated that there are bad apples in all professions. But you want cops to turn the cheek on an illegal activity and that is just insane. If you don't want to get locked up then don't have drugs on your person.
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This is a profession we can't afford to have bad apples in.

When I was in the Navy I saw "bad apples" eliminated quickly because there was no wall of protection around them.

This wall of protection, as illustrated so beautifully by Michael P. is the source of the problem. It is what I have been saying all along.

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Kiloman said:
The cop in the skateboard video needs to try and go to the WWE.He wasnt acting very well,for a police officer.No matter what you are taught how many schools you go to you cant teach common sense.Regarding the police arrest on the fireman that was stupid and prickified on the cops behalf.
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Weren't you a cop too Hal? If so, thank you for looking at this from the citizen's perspective.

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Tony Shelton said:
When they find themselves jobless, homeless, and living in despair smoking crack under a bridge because their life is ruined and tangled up in a legal mire they will start having compassion for the people they lock up on a daily basis ruining their lives and making it near impossible to get a job.
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No, that's when the "bad" cops start kicking the sh!t out of them.
 
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NJWashingGuy said:
you guys should all quit power washing and get on those reailty tv shows where you are better liked for the more outlandish things you do.......... you guys missed your calling.........lol
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What could we call it?

Stupid cops entertain citizens


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NJWashingGuy said:
you guys should all quit power washing and get on those reailty tv shows where you are better liked for the more outlandish things you do.......... you guys missed your calling.........lol
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I'm powerwashing right now. Sitting here in my kitchen making money. That's what you can do if you own a business and make sacrifices that put your house in jeopardy working towards the big payoff.

Of course you have to put up with guys who know nothing about sacrifice or business who put you down for that.

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Michael P, Looks like you have successfully disarmed the citizens in your area like Hitler and other dictators have. Your media has made it really convenient for your department or any nutcase to target the few that are left.


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Tony Shelton said:
This is a profession we can't afford to have bad apples in.

When I was in the Navy I saw "bad apples" eliminated quickly because there was no wall of protection around them.

This wall of protection, as illustrated so beautifully by Michael P. is the source of the problem. It is what I have been saying all along.

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You forget that these officers are human just like you and make mistakes just like you.
 
Michael DeRose said:
You forget that these officers are human just like you and make mistakes just like you.
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But my mistakes don't result in ruined lives and grieving widows and children.

The profession calls for a higher standard

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