Gunshot Wound

Clean County PW said:
Its to bad that PWI lost Tom Dubin because from what I hear he builds top of the line equipment who comes highly recommended. I think the point he was trying to make was building a machine from the ground up. If something was to go wrong were an employee got hurt I can see his point.

Maybe we could have disagreed with him some but in a more diplomatic matter might have caused him to stay so he can debate his point a little bit more. From what I read here on this post I think he was right and I also don't think he really meant just changing a hose or two.

We all see things differently at times and I am sorry to see him go.
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John I think it is sad that he is gone but lost? I am not too sure after seeing how this played out, it was almost like he took a shot on purpose so he could throw a fit and leave, I used the same tatics on my high school girlfriend over 20 years ago, when something better came up I would start a fight with her and act pissed so I didnt have to take her out that night and could go do what I wanted.:yes4:

He came here and left w/o giving the thread a chance, he should have just clarified himself and the thread would have been a productive one but instead he went posting on the dark side of the force :)nono:).

My point is that he got what he wanted, he started a controversial thread and bailed out because someone questioned his manhood, I guess he wants us to chase him and beg him to come back.:eek:uttahere:NOT!:stop:
 
Russ Spence said:
I really understand what he was tying to say but I dont totally agree with its entirety, I am exactly like Nick, I keep extra hoses, fittings, pumps, repair kits, ignitors, downloaders ect ......... then I even keep the broken stuff too in a huge plastic box so I can rob fittings ans stuff. I dont feel my insurance would have an issue with my repairs but they would IF I were building skids from scratch. I feel that is the point Tom was trying to make and his point was misunderstood.

Now that being said, I could build a unit myself as well I just choose not to I just dont save that much money to offset the time It takes for assembly, I would rather be washing the numbers work in my favor if I figure it by the hour.
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If your not to fix your stuff, why do they sell you parts?:rap:
 
I am with Russ. He was looking for a reason to leave. I find it hard to believe that a salesman could be so easily offended when a group of people disagreed with him. He should have been clarifying himself and overcoming objections.
 
I really felt bad for the guy from the beginning. I may be wrong but who could possible afford one of those things anyway. It seems our prices have taken a step backward in the past ten years regaurdless of where the epa or osha has gone. I never expected my insurance to pay for anything anyway, its kind of a chance deal, maybe it will, maybe it wont. I didnt understand, a hose bust and insurance wont cover damage because you built the hose? Am I lost or what???
 
Russ Spence said:
John I think it is sad that he is gone but lost? I am not too sure after seeing how this played out, it was almost like he took a shot on purpose so he could throw a fit and leave, I used the same tatics on my high school girlfriend over 20 years ago, when something better came up I would start a fight with her and act pissed so I didnt have to take her out that night and could go do what I wanted.:yes4:

He came here and left w/o giving the thread a chance, he should have just clarified himself and the thread would have been a productive one but instead he went posting on the dark side of the force :)nono:).

My point is that he got what he wanted, he started a controversial thread and bailed out because someone questioned his manhood, I guess he wants us to chase him and beg him to come back.:eek:uttahere:NOT!:stop:
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I agree with ya.
Nobody is good enough at what they do to be a butthead. Whether they build machines clean garages or roofs. Respect, is too valuable in todays world. I have rebuilt pumps, make new machines, design all my trailers, replaced every K7 unloader we have, plumbed them all mysewlf. if I had a hose end gizmo i would do that to. There is a difference in stating the hazards of DYI, and acting like my mom and saying YOU CANT DO THAT, OR YOU WILL GO TO JAIL. Everyone in here is here cuz they didnt want someone else to tell them what to do, and be self employed.:cray::hug:
 
I agree with Tom's legal issues he brought up. But I don't agree with a owner having their hands tied when it come's to doing stuff. If that were the case, half the equipment out there would have never been invented.

I have built my own trailers when it was cost effective, all of my truck bodies and half my KEC equipment. The big exception is a mag scraper (Matt:dance3:)

People messing with their equipment to do things the way they want them to do it is the EDGE that they might be looking for. I for one am all for the hands on approach. I am also one to keep in the back of my mind the issues that the opinionated Mr Turbin brought up. Irregardless of his motives, the issues he brought up can come and bite you in the back side.

My half a cent worth as a greaser but my quarters worth as a person who has been self employed for longer than 95% of you have been in business.
 
Russ Spence said:
I am with you on the time in business thing, I have been in business for going on 15 years and prior to that I was in sales and my income depended solely on what I generated for myself and not ever on a paycheck and its always been that way since I was a kid cutting grass at the age of 9.
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Yup, my first legit business was in 1984 as a sole prop. I did repair welding off the back of a 1974 international pick up. Funny, now that I think about it, that pickup kind of ties into this thread.

When I bought the truck it had a old wooden body on it. (farm truck). I built the bed as money, time and materials came along. Mostly free materials from the truck body shop I was working at. So I build this body on this great 4 wheel drive truck.

As time and events go by I start a welding business on the side if you will. I bought a brand spanking new Lincoln Weldanpower 225. I begged and borrowed what ever tools I didn't have and put them on /in this truck. Now I am driving around with a welder, a set of tanks, all kinds of scrap iron for what ever repairs I might come across.

One friday afternoon at rush hour I am driving across the drawbridge on Rte 3 coming out of NYC. I bear to the right to head up rte 21 N to head home when I get a flat. No spare on the truck so I am pissed, I go to kick the tire when I get to the passenger side rear.

NO TIRE. axle, brake drum NOTHING. Huge traffic tie up in both directions, 1 accident that I caused directly when a brand new 1984 Lincoln ran over my axle, tire, brake drum assembly. The driver was not hurt thank God!

The whole point of this book is that I put 2 ton's of stuff on a 1/2 ton truck. I over loaded it with my home made body and lack of understanding of the whole picture. My truck body was great, but the whole truck as a package with MY modifications was and ended up being a time bomb that did happen.

I could share, as many of you can, war stories while in business. This is one of a few I could share when it comes to messing and modifying equipment. Hence my sentiments on this thread.
 
Clean County PW said:
Its to bad that PWI lost Tom Dubin because from what I hear he builds top of the line equipment who comes highly recommended. I think the point he was trying to make was building a machine from the ground up. If something was to go wrong were an employee got hurt I can see his point.

Maybe we could have disagreed with him some but in a more diplomatic matter might have caused him to stay so he can debate his point a little bit more. From what I read here on this post I think he was right and I also don't think he really meant just changing a hose or two.

We all see things differently at times and I am sorry to see him go.
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Hey John, not for nothing but we all seen where Diplomacy can get ya !! Instead of draging this out till we puke, it's over he cried and stompped his feet and now he's gone. :woot:
 
The Cleaner said:
Give me a break, when was the last service on your unloader? When you use your equipment as much as some here do, you get to know every single noise on your rig. Most of the time you are just replacing the unloader they wear out as do other parts from extream use.

Know one in 16 yrs ever came up to me and asked me if my equipment was in compliance with Osha standards. Hey didnt you just win a prize from TOM:scratchhead:
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The morning sun is just emerging into a crisp blue sky, a refreshing light breeze magically flutters a steam of soft pink flowers along your ocean front view.................


The reality of typed text is that an individuals tone sometimes can and other times may not be understood.


I am not sure what you meant by "Give me a break" , Nick.....


I just wanted to interject into the thread earlier that some unloaders I have read about, manufacturers suggest service. Most of us know it is a wear item, I did not know that scheduled service was required/suggested for some unloaders I have seen and I hoped that others reading the post would have noticed this and said hummmm!

I taught it would have enlightened others, and was of the opinion it had some bearing on the topic.

I have not won a prize from Tom D.


I hope the above post clarifies what I intended........ most of my post are of a technical nature, most times; as the working mechanics and equipment specs/knowledge are mostly my interest and that maybe a bad thing.
 
welder said:
Yup, my first legit business was in 1984 as a sole prop. I did repair welding off the back of a 1974 international pick up. Funny, now that I think about it, that pickup kind of ties into this thread.

When I bought the truck it had a old wooden body on it. (farm truck). I built the bed as money, time and materials came along. Mostly free materials from the truck body shop I was working at. So I build this body on this great 4 wheel drive truck.

As time and events go by I start a welding business on the side if you will. I bought a brand spanking new Lincoln Weldanpower 225. I begged and borrowed what ever tools I didn't have and put them on /in this truck. Now I am driving around with a welder, a set of tanks, all kinds of scrap iron for what ever repairs I might come across.

One friday afternoon at rush hour I am driving across the drawbridge on Rte 3 coming out of NYC. I bear to the right to head up rte 21 N to head home when I get a flat. No spare on the truck so I am pissed, I go to kick the tire when I get to the passenger side rear.

NO TIRE. axle, brake drum NOTHING. Huge traffic tie up in both directions, 1 accident that I caused directly when a brand new 1984 Lincoln ran over my axle, tire, brake drum assembly. The driver was not hurt thank God!

The whole point of this book is that I put 2 ton's of stuff on a 1/2 ton truck. I over loaded it with my home made body and lack of understanding of the whole picture. My truck body was great, but the whole truck as a package with MY modifications was and ended up being a time bomb that did happen.

I could share, as many of you can, war stories while in business. This is one of a few I could share when it comes to messing and modifying equipment. Hence my sentiments on this thread.
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This is a very good point about being overloaded.

I bent an axle which caused 2 tires to get bald from the inside of the tread pattern because my trailer had too much weight on it and hitting a pothole going probably 20 or 30mph bent the axle.

Right now I am looking for trailer companies that can make a 14' trailer with 5200 or 6000 pound axles so I can put more weight on the trailer but.....leave there some room for extra equipment as needed or extra weight capacity so if I hit a pothole or something else when driving I will not bend another axle.

I could put larger axles on the trailer or another spring or helper springs but they are doing trailer inspections here in Texas if you have a tandem axle trailer and you have to have inspection stickers if you have a logo/lettered vehicle pulling the trailer. I know this first-hand because I got a ticket for not having the inspection sticker on the trailer, I did not even know about it at the time.

When they do the inspection they will look for modifications and if there are any, the trailer will not pass and they might report you to the D.O.T. (Department Of Transportation).

This is why I am going to have another trailer built so I can put 2 hot water skids onto the trailer along with other equipment that is needed on occasional jobs but with no possibility of bending an axle.
 
810f250 said:
The morning sun is just emerging into a crisp blue sky, a refreshing light breeze magically flutters a steam of soft pink flowers along your ocean front view.................


The reality of typed text is that an individuals tone sometimes can and other times may not be understood.


I am not sure what you meant by "Give me a break" , Nick.....


I just wanted to interject into the thread earlier that some unloaders I have read about, manufacturers suggest service. Most of us know it is a wear item, I did not know that scheduled service was required/suggested for some unloaders I have seen and I hoped that others reading the post would have noticed this and said hummmm!

I taught it would have enlightened others, and was of the opinion it had some bearing on the topic.

I have not won a prize from Tom D.


I hope the above post clarifies what I intended........ most of my post are of a technical nature, most times; as the working mechanics and equipment specs/knowledge are mostly my interest and that maybe a bad thing.
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No tone, just wondering how people who have been in this buisness for more than a year would not know these things. Unloaders, tips, spraybars, wands, hose, swivels, tires, brakes, oil, etc, you get where im going. This is all Pressure Washing 101 and something that everyone in this industry should know how to deal with. Sorry I thought you won the "guess how much my great super rig costs" and I will send you some tips that you can put in your wand and be liable for if it flies out and kills someone....:yikes: Better contact your insurance company and check with them on that one!!
 
Nick,
We are talking about building a complete machine. We are not talking about repairs, swapping out nozzles, etc. If we were, and there was a liability issue, there would be even more lawsuits filling the courts because of pseudo mechanics that repaired a car or truck. (no offense Welder...) When you design something to work at 3500 PSI and use schedule 40 joints and nipples on it, it is bound to fail. There is some liability with that. There is liability if a manufacturer does it, too. The difference is, they usually should have either deeper pockets or better insurance to cover a mishap.
This is just my opinion.
 
Scott Stone said:
Nick,
because of pseudo mechanics that repaired a car or truck. (no offense Welder...)
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None taken Scott, I had hoped that my experience helps shed light on the meaning behind this thread. I actually expected to be called more than a pseudo mechanic.:shocked: lolol

Idiot, dummy, jerk, to be on the nice side. That was the last truck I ever owned that did not have a floating rear axle.

In case any one is wondering, the international axle as are most 1/2 ton pickups was held in with a external spring clip. A floating rear is held in with 2 axle nuts and a locking type washer.
 
The Cleaner said:
No tone, just wondering how people who have been in this buisness for more than a year would not know these things. Unloaders, tips, spraybars, wands, hose, swivels, tires, brakes, oil, etc, you get where im going. This is all Pressure Washing 101 and something that everyone in this industry should know how to deal with. Sorry I thought you won the "guess how much my great super rig costs" and I will send you some tips that you can put in your wand and be liable for if it flies out and kills someone....:yikes: Better contact your insurance company and check with them on that one!!
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Great to know there was no underlining tone Nick. I have never seen unloader preventative maintenance mentioned here.
 
welder said:
None taken Scott, I had hoped that my experience helps shed light on the meaning behind this thread. I actually expected to be called more than a pseudo mechanic.:shocked: lolol

Idiot, dummy, jerk, to be on the nice side. That was the last truck I ever owned that did not have a floating rear axle.

In case any one is wondering, the international axle as are most 1/2 ton pickups was held in with a external spring clip. A floating rear is held in with 2 axle nuts and a locking type washer.
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I knew you would not take offense.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
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He's not building his stuff from the ground up either. MTM machine stuck in a trailer and plumbed up, that's it. How many guys here have done that?

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EXACTLY. To be honest I get livid when I see "manufacturerers" who just cobble off the shelf stuff together and suddenly ask for 8K for a machine
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WOW, just noticed this thread. I have been at a place before where i needed to save a few bucks and build my own hotbox and understand how it can cause problems especially after yesterday. Check out that thread for photos
 
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