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Until your second Post Durbin, I was on your side. I thought that you were jujst trying to help and getting flack from the usual debaters. But now I think that you wanted to pick a fight when you got on here. We have a bunch of manufacturers that I believe have a bridge already built with customers, espec, sunbrite, pressuretek and so on. Since you got on here a month ago, you have been spamming the board with ads for your stuff. Yea I wont be sorry to see ya go.
 
Putting stuff together is not manufacturing. building a trailer is not manufacturing. It is design.
 
Scott Stone said:
I am in agreement with Tom.
When you manufacture a pressure washer, you are de facto certifying that you have engineered it to the specifications you are making. Have you ever had a hose on your machine that was not designed to hold the heat, and slowly deteriorated, because you bought a hydraulic hose? How about using fittings for the pressure side that has not reached the specifications? Most Home depot fittings are designed for about 2000 PSI of constant pressure, when you put it together, you are saying that you designed the machine to the weakest component, operator excepted.
There are also certain OSHA standards that need to be met, along with the standard protocols.
BTW, if you think that your insurance is going to cover you putting a machine together, you better double check, because it usually won't.
I have way to much time, money and effort in my business to risk saving a few hundred bucks by putting together my own rig.
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Come on Scott, do you really think if I blow a pressure hose that is hooked to my pump that I am going to home depot to get a replacment. I use distributors like tom to get my fittings and hoses and pumps and everything else. The only thing I am doing is installing it myself because I am more than competent to do this.

Some people should not work on their own equipment if they dont know what they are doing, but you cant tell contractors who do their own work that if you dont let me do it you will be in trouble with Osha & your insurance co.

He sounds like a cry baby, he would put up 10 posts in a row about all his equipment and we let him use this BB for his own advertising space. That didnt seem to bother him, but dont go against anything he says because he is the know all P/W Dist Guru. I see no use in giving him anymore attention Scott, so leave it up so that everyone can see what he's about including all the other BB that come here to read our posts.

He had all intensions of starting a thread that would go astray and he succeeded, this will be his loss as other BB throw his ass out as well.
 
Good points about OSHA. I'm thinking more as an owner operator.

I've been around farms too much. It's common to build all sorts of machines for different tasks. I still think someone would have to show gross negligence on your part. Not installing a belt guard etc. Or being made aware of a problem and ignoring it. Maybe not.

I still question if you don't buy a complete trailer unit, does it become manufacturing when you add everything else? I don't think it does. No one throws a skid in a pickup and that's it.

Still seems like you don't become a manufacturer unless you make to sell to others.

Beats me.

This is a good thread even though it seems like it was originally posted as self serving. Tom spamming the threads set the mood for some I'm sure.
 
I really understand what he was tying to say but I dont totally agree with its entirety, I am exactly like Nick, I keep extra hoses, fittings, pumps, repair kits, ignitors, downloaders ect ......... then I even keep the broken stuff too in a huge plastic box so I can rob fittings ans stuff. I dont feel my insurance would have an issue with my repairs but they would IF I were building skids from scratch. I feel that is the point Tom was trying to make and his point was misunderstood.

Now that being said, I could build a unit myself as well I just choose not to I just dont save that much money to offset the time It takes for assembly, I would rather be washing the numbers work in my favor if I figure it by the hour.
 
I understood and agreed with some of Tom's post, right up till he said the "Hate Spewing" thing. That was the key to his post intent. Then some guys came back with their views (none inflammatory) and the guy freaks out!

Tom, I'm too lazy to build my own rigs. I would rather wait for some guy you've talked into thinking that pressure washing is an easy way to make money to buy one of your units at full price, and find out later that there's more to pressure washing than "Spraying Water", and goes out of business. Then I come in and buy that same $15,000 rig with 50hrs. on it for $5,000.

I hope your Boss doesn't get wind of this, not sure he would be too impressed with your "Customer Relation Skills"

Good Luck!!!!!!!!
 
Tomdurbin said:
Now I pissed because you guys always want to take some kind of shitty tone when people help you. I am done with this board. Everyone just attacks everyone wnyway. Russ kick me off. Ron don't start my contests I don't have time for games and this was the second day in a row someone took a shit on my posts. Alll you crybabies keep this board. I'm moving on
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....well he is right....:poke:
 
Alexy said:
....well he is right....:poke:
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I suppose so?

Tom your phone is ringing no where land. FYI

Keep this is mind he is in Mindless Blab,

If a distributor is in distributor section and someone attack his products or pricing without cause then Staff would take care of it.

I don't know what has been removed or Tom accusations about Russ kicking him OFF...what Russ????????? Russ J Russ S Russ C ....

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just lock this thread down Because I'm sick of Cry babys


POST Your opionions Here And Just expect they will be challenged....

Tom Are you a CETA member?

Pwi is Not for Sale!!! Watch the video
 
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He wont man up, like someone said before, he's taking his toy's and going home.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
I understood and agreed with some of Tom's post, right up till he said the "Hate Spewing" thing. That was the key to his post intent. Then some guys came back with their views (none inflammatory) and the guy freaks out!

Tom, I'm too lazy to build my own rigs. I would rather wait for some guy you've talked into thinking that pressure washing is an easy way to make money to buy one of your units at full price, and find out later that there's more to pressure washing than "Spraying Water", and goes out of business. Then I come in and buy that same $15,000 rig with 50hrs. on it for $5,000.

I hope your Boss doesn't get wind of this, not sure he would be too impressed with your "Customer Relation Skills"

Good Luck!!!!!!!!
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Someone should call his Boss and let him know how impressed we are with him.:pleasantry:
 
810f250 said:
Good points Tom D.

What is the statistics of cases that the pressure washing companies win?

It is very very difficult to show grounds that the manufacture is at fault. (Unless it is major manufacturer negligence or they have reports that numerous similar incidents have occurred).

The reason being that there are so many areas that the operator, owner, have to ensure was covered and have evidence that they have conducted.

Documented employee training, proper procedures, service records, startup check list, adjustments made by a qualified technician etc etc.

For example when last did any of us service our unloader? At how many hours is the first unloader service required? etc etc.
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Give me a break, when was the last service on your unloader? When you use your equipment as much as some here do, you get to know every single noise on your rig. Most of the time you are just replacing the unloader they wear out as do other parts from extream use.

Know one in 16 yrs ever came up to me and asked me if my equipment was in compliance with Osha standards. Hey didnt you just win a prize from TOM:scratchhead:
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Who's crying? Tom posted his opinion, some guys disagreed (weren't, mean or disrespectful) he got pissed and left.

He came to our sand box, we didn't go to his.

Frankly, I like the stuff he's making, looks good, seems to be quality equipment at a good price!

The attitude ain't givin me a "Warm & Fuzzy" though.
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Apparently something else has happened, I'm getting this BBS off my ULR after January.

I sick of people in general complaining to me about this BBS.

Contractors truly run it!!!!

Sorry Dist
 
Ron Musgraves said:
what Russ????????? Russ J Russ S Russ C ....

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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:yikes::yikes:

We need more!!



Let's have a "Recruit A Russ" campaign!!:eek:uttahere:

Scan the internet....:thank_you2:
 
Ron Musgraves said:
I suppose so?

Tom your phone is ringing no where land. FYI

Keep this is mind he is in Mindless Blab,

If a distributor is in distributor section and someone attack his products or pricing without cause then Staff would take care of it.

I don't know what has been removed or Tom accusations about Russ kicking him OFF...what Russ????????? Russ J Russ S Russ C ....

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just lock this thread down Because I'm sick of Cry babys


POST Your opionions Here And Just expect they will be challenged....

Tom Are you a CETA member?

Pwi is Not for Sale!!! Watch the video
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No one kicked him off of anything Ron, he requested to be deleted, I wrote him and told him to defer to Scott Stone, I am not erasing post for anyone unless it ia single post that someone regrets and wants it pulled, he sent a pm to me requesting deletion of ALL his stuff, I cant and wont do that, it ruins the integrity of too many threads.

No one did anything but have a difference of oponion.

I for one try to respect all of the distributors on the net, he did post a very controversial topic and he even said he new it was going to cause trouble and then more or less invited it, I am not really sure of his intentions but looks to me as if he got what he asked for?
 
Russ Spence said:
No one kicked him off of anything Ron, he requested to be deleted, I wrote him and told him to defer to Scott Stone, I am not erasing post for anyone unless it ia single post that someone regrets and wants it pulled, he sent a pm to me requesting deletion of ALL his stuff, I cant and wont do that, it ruins the integrity of too many threads.

No one did anything but have a difference of oponion.

I for one try to respect all of the distributors on the net, he did post a very controversial topic and he even said he new it was going to cause trouble and then more or less invited it, I am not really sure of his intentions but looks to me as if he got what he asked for?
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That right there is what you call "In A Nutshell" well said Russ!!
 
I believe everyone has their right to their own opinion. But I also believe it should be done in a fair and respectful manner to all. No one here is a true expert on every facet of this business. I think we learn something new everyday. Why? To be more profitable and knowledgeable in our field so that we can utilize all of the information given to our advantage. I sincerely enjoy all of the differences of opinion and the experience we share among others. For the most part, it is done in a professional way. But lately this has been worse than Jerry Springer on some threads. Eventually, all of the negativity will leave this site because there are far more true professionals here than people who enjoy being in a soap opera. So lets let bygones be bygones and get back to business!!!!:yikes:
 
There is a huge difference between manufacture and repair. If you think I don't think I repair my own equipment, you are out of your minds. I am talking ground up manufacture. There is a huge difference. I also put together my own rigs. I prefer how I have them set up over how someone else sets them up. I don't build the machines, though, because it is really not cost effective for me, right now. In the future, it might be. At that time, I will make sure that I have the necessary insurance in place, in case I miss something on design. I don't though, I am usually of the over build mentality, because I hate, loathe and despise down time.
 
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