Scott Stone
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I was going to go find that scripture. There are other scriptures that are even more clear and plain that say a day in the life of God is as a thousand years to us.
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Tony Shelton
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The Hebrews believed the entire creation happened in 6 literal days.
It could have happened in 6 billion years.
We just don't know enough about the nature of things at the time of creation to ever know for a fact.
All we have to go by is the Bible and it used the word "Yom" which means a literal 24 hour day.
I just believe that any God who could flood the entire earth leaving Mammoths frozen solid standing up with undigested food in their stomachs COULD create the entire heavens and earth in 6 days.
Lou, is there anything about the 6 days, vs 6 xxxxxx years that would influence you to either believe or disbelieve in God?
It could have happened in 6 billion years.
We just don't know enough about the nature of things at the time of creation to ever know for a fact.
All we have to go by is the Bible and it used the word "Yom" which means a literal 24 hour day.
I just believe that any God who could flood the entire earth leaving Mammoths frozen solid standing up with undigested food in their stomachs COULD create the entire heavens and earth in 6 days.
Lou, is there anything about the 6 days, vs 6 xxxxxx years that would influence you to either believe or disbelieve in God?
Hose Jockey
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This sentence tells me G-d is contemplating first course of action. Then embarks on creating Heaven & Earth. The period of time taken to go over options is this even taken into consideration?
No, because (and I know this blows most people's minds) time had not been created before the "first day". God transcends time. He is not confined by it or governed by it as we are. He has been there before time was ever created. Now, when the Word says, In the BEGINNING... that refers to the creation of time, which was the creation of the earth and it's first revolution.
Hope that makes sense. :idea2:
Hose Jockey
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Scott Stone
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Interesting concept on what a day is. That means that God lied when he said a day was as a thousand years? It is in the bible. That being the case, where else are there distortions in the bible? Using your thought process, all translations of the bible are perfect, yet the new living translation leaves out specific verses because the translators felt they were irrelevant. Since I speak a couple of foreign languages to a certain degree, and read and write in one,andhave also read the bible in a language other then English, I can verify that there are mistranslations in either thw current bible,or in the douai bible, because though I did not catch any direct contradictions, there are many things that are, for lack of a better term, lost in the translations given.
Russ Johnson
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A day on earth is 24 hours because the planet makes one rotation in that time. How long does it take for the universe to make one rotation?
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Scott, The time between my 15th and 16th birthday, when I was finally going to get to drive by myself seemed like 10 years to me. My 45th birthday is next month. It seems like only a month ago I turned 44!!
Did I just lie?
In comparison to a 16 year old a year to me is like a month. Where have I lied? I'm making a point.
Everyone knows that years seem to go by faster and faster as you get older. How much more is that the case for God who is eternal? Could it be that "time flies" for God?
Or maybe he gets so much done in a day that a day to him is like a thousand years for anyone else?
The fact is we will never know the answers to those questions till we can ask him ourselves.
As far as the bible goes, there are no perfect translations. It's been through imperfect hands for translation.
But the words needed for life are there.
The seeds for disunion are there also when men put too much emphasis on individual words without taking into consideration the plan of salvation as a whole.
The inability of men to separate what is important to God based on the whole of his communications to us is what makes us look like fools to the rest of the world.
Why would men who believe that God sent his son to die for us dare to argue with each other to the point of starting different fellowships based on a word or two? This is where we, as Christians, hold the responsibility of splitting the body of Christ.
Scott Stone
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Tony,
I am not the one having a problem with the concept.
I am not the one having a problem with the concept.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
I'm not directing anything at you Scott, just making points based off your post.
But if I see you all dressed up on a bicycle in my neighborhood I will hide and be very quiet when you ring the bell! :welcome:
Hose Jockey
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That means that God lied when he said a day was as a thousand years? It is in the bible.
Hi Scott,
We know better than that! We know God is 'truth' and there is no lie in Him. He is a perfect God and a just God and therefore can not lie or else He would neither be perfect or just. Satan is the author of all lies who comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
Once again, a word study of the two words chosen for "day" and their respective context shows that there is a completely different word and context for the use of day. In Genesis we're looking at 'yom' (Hebrew), in 2 Peter we're looking at hēmera (Greek). Although their definitions are similar, the context is completely dissimilar. The Greek word, hōs is used just before hēmera which is comparing a day with something. Hōs is literally translated, "as, like, even as".
So, in 2 Peter, the Word is saying (of God's patience), a day [hēmera] is as [hōs] a thousand years...
<SUP>8</SUP> But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. <SUP id=en-NLT-30491 class=versenum>9</SUP> The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
"...though I did not catch any direct contradictions, there are many things that are, for lack of a better term, lost in the translations given."
In this you are absolutely correct. For example our word 'love'. I can say I love chocolate, I love the fire department, I love my wife. We basically use the same word for numerous possible applications, however in Hebrew, there are several different words used for love according to the context. There is 'agabah', (inordinate love) 'racham', (merciful, compassionate love), 'chashaq', (longing love) and many more Hebrew words for our one English word love which we use to encompass many meanings.
In Greek we have 'agape' (unconditional love), 'philadelphos', (brotherly love), 'philargyria', (love of money or mammon), 'philoteknos' (love of ones children) and many more Greek words for our one English word for love.
This being said, that is the reason for translation differences. Still, each group of scholars goes back to the original transcripts to translate directly from them.
Sure am enjoying this thread y'all!!!! :yes4:
Hi Scott,
We know better than that! We know God is 'truth' and there is no lie in Him. He is a perfect God and a just God and therefore can not lie or else He would neither be perfect or just. Satan is the author of all lies who comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
Once again, a word study of the two words chosen for "day" and their respective context shows that there is a completely different word and context for the use of day. In Genesis we're looking at 'yom' (Hebrew), in 2 Peter we're looking at hēmera (Greek). Although their definitions are similar, the context is completely dissimilar. The Greek word, hōs is used just before hēmera which is comparing a day with something. Hōs is literally translated, "as, like, even as".
So, in 2 Peter, the Word is saying (of God's patience), a day [hēmera] is as [hōs] a thousand years...
<SUP>8</SUP> But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. <SUP id=en-NLT-30491 class=versenum>9</SUP> The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.
"...though I did not catch any direct contradictions, there are many things that are, for lack of a better term, lost in the translations given."
In this you are absolutely correct. For example our word 'love'. I can say I love chocolate, I love the fire department, I love my wife. We basically use the same word for numerous possible applications, however in Hebrew, there are several different words used for love according to the context. There is 'agabah', (inordinate love) 'racham', (merciful, compassionate love), 'chashaq', (longing love) and many more Hebrew words for our one English word love which we use to encompass many meanings.
In Greek we have 'agape' (unconditional love), 'philadelphos', (brotherly love), 'philargyria', (love of money or mammon), 'philoteknos' (love of ones children) and many more Greek words for our one English word for love.
This being said, that is the reason for translation differences. Still, each group of scholars goes back to the original transcripts to translate directly from them.
Sure am enjoying this thread y'all!!!! :yes4:
Al Patterson
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Hose,
A personal ? for ya...
You are very in dept in your posts....
May I ask...any schooling here are or are you self study?
Hose Jockey
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No formal Bible College or anything, but yes, A LOT of self-study, researching, and tremendous mentoring from my pastor.
Many people know "of" God our Father, but not too many simply "know" Him! Knowing Him by spending time in His Word, prayer, and being quiet to listen is what my desire has been for about 7 years now.
We have Bible studies with my pastor at my fire station two to three times a month and revival is breaking out big time within the department! I am also working with the fire department chaplain to become a partner with him and eventually step into his shoes sometime before I retire. After that I'd like to remain chaplain of my department or be a fd chaplain wherever my wife and I decide to retire to. Then it will not really be retirement, but a full time ministry. The fire department in itself is an extraordinary 'mission field'. I often say, "They're the nicest bunch of lost guys you'll ever meet." :wink2:
How 'bout you Al??
Many people know "of" God our Father, but not too many simply "know" Him! Knowing Him by spending time in His Word, prayer, and being quiet to listen is what my desire has been for about 7 years now.
We have Bible studies with my pastor at my fire station two to three times a month and revival is breaking out big time within the department! I am also working with the fire department chaplain to become a partner with him and eventually step into his shoes sometime before I retire. After that I'd like to remain chaplain of my department or be a fd chaplain wherever my wife and I decide to retire to. Then it will not really be retirement, but a full time ministry. The fire department in itself is an extraordinary 'mission field'. I often say, "They're the nicest bunch of lost guys you'll ever meet." :wink2:
How 'bout you Al??
Al Patterson
Member
I didn't even make it to to regular collage....
Accepted Christ when I was 16 and my life changed and took a whole new course in life.
I have not got a lot of book smarts but I do know right from wrong and how God wants me to live my life.
I don't give God near enough credit and seems like I am almost a silent witness and it is hard for me to witness in person....but this thread is one place where I have spoke out publicly and Now at least here ..just about everyone knows where I stand, weather they agree or not.
For the ones who threw stones to begin with....my skin as grown thick and it don't bother me no more!
There still is not a lot of different people posting here...but the ones that are---are very strong in their belief and should feel good knowing they are doing Gods Will.
Lou hoods&more
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In Psalms 90:4 "Moses is praying" I tend to read it not has what G-d said. But as admonitions of life lessens shown "presumably through prayer" to him (Moses).
I've had Hasidic friends explain to me the reasoning behind Moses attaching a 1000yrs to a yesterday. Moses "as explained to me" used Methuselah as a metaphor (he lived to be 969)
Scott Stone
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I maybe I will have to go upscale, and get a 1975 pinto...
Lou hoods&more
New member
I passed on an opprotunity to purchase a 69 Mustang "Wagon".....yea I said wagon ....it looked just like a Pinto from the back. I told the guy he can keep it...thought it was some garage hybrid.
Years later I discover that Ford made 9 Mustang wagons all prototypes never went into production...
:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Here's something that should be interesting IF what was found in Turkey was in fact Noah's Ark.
Genesis seems to indicate that the waters from the flood came from above (in the skies - much higher than clouds i.e. a massive vapor canopy) and below from inside the earth under the crust (as evident by the lines of breakage under the ocean floors).
If that is a correct assumption the earth's climate and the composition of the atmosphere would have been vastly different. (No one has ever been able to produce an exact test to show the effects of a vapor canopy, but the data from the flawed tests have produced a significantly changed composition)
If the wood is from Noah's ark and if there is any validity to the canopy theory the composition of the wood should be extraordinarily different than from wood growing today in our atmosphere. I'd sure be interested to look at the growth rings!!
Carbon dating would be impossible under our current methods because carbon deteriorates at a much different rate under the "canopy" conditions.
Just something to think about.
Genesis seems to indicate that the waters from the flood came from above (in the skies - much higher than clouds i.e. a massive vapor canopy) and below from inside the earth under the crust (as evident by the lines of breakage under the ocean floors).
If that is a correct assumption the earth's climate and the composition of the atmosphere would have been vastly different. (No one has ever been able to produce an exact test to show the effects of a vapor canopy, but the data from the flawed tests have produced a significantly changed composition)
If the wood is from Noah's ark and if there is any validity to the canopy theory the composition of the wood should be extraordinarily different than from wood growing today in our atmosphere. I'd sure be interested to look at the growth rings!!
Carbon dating would be impossible under our current methods because carbon deteriorates at a much different rate under the "canopy" conditions.
Just something to think about.
Hose Jockey
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Carbon dating is flawed and inaccurate past a certain point of time and then becomes theoretical anyway. I don't have the time or the space on the forum to give the entire explanation as to why, but you can get it on the site I've mentioned above if you really want to know.
Gopherwood, which is what the text says was used, has been searched for for many years in order to find out what it actually IS/WAS. From what I understand, it was not an actual "wood type", but rather a method of assembling the wood to create an interlocking structure - sort of like roof trusses. So, the Hebrew word for 'gopherwood' us literally translated "interlocking wood". Neat, huh??
This was part of God's instructions on how to construct the ark so that a vessel of that scale could indeed survive the violence of the waters gushing forth from the earth's crust.
Did y'all know it had never "rained" before the flood? The vapor canopy took care of all the needs. In fact, people probably really thought Noah had "lost his mind" when he was trying to tell them about how the world would be flooded and that a huge amount of water was going to fall on them from the sky. I'm sure they must have laughed and snickered and scoffed. I guess some things never change, do they?
Gopherwood, which is what the text says was used, has been searched for for many years in order to find out what it actually IS/WAS. From what I understand, it was not an actual "wood type", but rather a method of assembling the wood to create an interlocking structure - sort of like roof trusses. So, the Hebrew word for 'gopherwood' us literally translated "interlocking wood". Neat, huh??
This was part of God's instructions on how to construct the ark so that a vessel of that scale could indeed survive the violence of the waters gushing forth from the earth's crust.
Did y'all know it had never "rained" before the flood? The vapor canopy took care of all the needs. In fact, people probably really thought Noah had "lost his mind" when he was trying to tell them about how the world would be flooded and that a huge amount of water was going to fall on them from the sky. I'm sure they must have laughed and snickered and scoffed. I guess some things never change, do they?
Lou hoods&more
New member
A belief in or disbelieving of a G-d doesn't come into play for me, the mathematical analysis of it I find intriguing.