Formal request to add 2 more categories

Tony Shelton said:
I'm reading an old book on the flood called "The Genesis Flood" by Whitcomb and Morris. I don't often read books more than once. Usually I read them and give them away. But for some reason I held on to this one over the years and this is my third reading.

I have a question for the evolution believers out there.

If man has been on the earth for 100,000 years how did we only have 200 million people on the earth by the end of the first 98,000 years and then spurt to over 6 billion in the next 2,000 years?

http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/worldpopulation.htm

On the other hand, if we were created 6,000 years ago, wiped completely out except for 8 human beings 4,500 years ago wouldn't it seem more plausible to go from 8 to 200 million in 2500 years then grow exponentially to over 6 billion over the next 2000 years?

Even if lifespan were only 30 years this planet would have been overwhelmed by the end of 50,000 years! Do the math and see what I'm talking about.

Further, If one wants to claim the cataclysmic wiping out of huge populations that begs the question - Why didn't man go extinct in all those years if it took him 98,000 years just to reach 200 million?
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LOVE your question to the evolutionist religion. It takes a lot "more" faith to believe in that than creationism. Too many holes in their religion (theory)!!

The Genisis Flood you've been reading about is known as "The GAP theory" and is an attempt to reconcile the two camps of creationism and evolutionism, but it doesn't work. Finis Dake who wrote the Dake's Annotated Bible was a huge proponant of this theory, but it has been proven that it doesn't quite fly. Check out www.christiananswers.net and you will find out reasonable explanations as to why it is flawed. It also talks about dinosaurs and many other difficult questions. You'll LOVE it!!!! (the site that is).

Mark
 
No Cutting!!:ignore:

How does one get uncircumcised?:slap::shrug:
 
Hose Jockey said:
LOVE your question to the evolutionist religion. It takes a lot "more" faith to believe in that than creationism. Too many holes in their religion (theory)!!

The Genisis Flood you've been reading about is known as "The GAP theory" and is an attempt to reconcile the two camps of creationism and evolutionism, but it doesn't work. Finis Dake who wrote the Dake's Annotated Bible was a huge proponant of this theory, but it has been proven that it doesn't quite fly. Check out www.christiananswers.net and you will find out reasonable explanations as to why it is flawed. It also talks about dinosaurs and many other difficult questions. You'll LOVE it!!!! (the site that is).

Mark
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I think you might be thinking about an different "Genesis Flood" book. I didn't get any indication that the authors believed in the Gap theory. So I briefly glanced back to make sure I didn't miss something.

After discussing the fallacy of trying to fathom something as violent as creation by simply observing the current nature and order of things on page 227 they begin on page 228 in a paragraph (seen below) entitled THE GEOLOGIC WORK OF CREATION WEEK to assert their belief in six literal creation days:

Therefore, we must approach a study of the work of the six days of creation strictly from the perspective of Scriptural revelation, and not at all from that of a projection of present natural processes into the past. It is precisely this sort of illegitimate projection which has led to the theory of evolution and to the various theological devices that have been conceived for harmonizing it with the Biblical revelation. Since God's revealed Word describes this Creation as taking place in six "days" and since there apparently is no contextual basis for understanding these days in any sort of symbolic sense, it is an act of both faith and reason to accept them, literally, as real days.
At the time of this printing (1979) I think the authors are pretty clear that they are opposed to the Gap theory. As am I. (Even though some ministers and other Christians are in disagreement with me on that point)

This is an area that we will never understand completely on this side of death. But it's fun to discuss.
 
Well, how long is a day to God? What is more, since a day for the earth is one complete rotation, how did they measure an earth day, before there was an earth? Could it be that a day to God is 1000 years, a million years, or 10 million years?
 
Scott Stone said:
Well, how long is a day to God? What is more, since a day for the earth is one complete rotation, how did they measure an earth day, before there was an earth? Could it be that a day to God is 1000 years, a million years, or 10 million years?
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I've discussed this very things with friends.

Rabbi Isaac of Acco calculated "G-d day" is just over two billion years, he got to this by calculating of the length of time in the 6 day creation.
 
Scott Stone said:
Well, how long is a day to God? What is more, since a day for the earth is one complete rotation, how did they measure an earth day, before there was an earth? Could it be that a day to God is 1000 years, a million years, or 10 million years?
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I don't think it's possible to know the answer to that question.

If you made a cake you would mix up the ingredients, put them in the oven and after a few minutes you would have a cake.

However, if a month later, someone examined the cake, knowing nothing about you or how a cake is made how could he ever imagine that YOU, an OVEN, and HEAT made that cake when all he has to go by is a hard piece of crumbling bread as evidence? That cake could have taken you minutes. But how could you come to that conclusion by examining the effects of the elements on a month old cake?

I made that up. I promise I never read that anywhere. Someone critique it. It think it's a pretty good analogy! :nhl_checking:
 
Lou hoods&more said:
I've discussed this very things with friends.

Rabbi Isaac of Acco calculated "G-d day" is just over two billion years, he got to this by calculating of the length of time in the 6 day creation.
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Most calculators are limited to 10 digits. So he must be wrong. :jester:
 
Well, how long is a day to God? What is more, since a day for the earth is one complete rotation, how did they measure an earth day, before there was an earth? Could it be that a day to God is 1000 years, a million years, or 10 million years?

Tony Shelton said:
I don't think it's possible to know the answer to that question.

Sure there is.. If you will do a word study on the original Hebrew word for day and the context it is used in as well as other places it is used, the only translation of that word equates to "one full 24 hour rotation of the earth". Just face it, the book is God's Word and He KNOWS better than any of us what He's talking about.

Doing word studies of the original languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic), knowing what audience they were directed to (written to), and keeping them in context will help you receive revelation nuggets by the bucket full.
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Hose Jockey said:
Tony Shelton said:
I don't think it's possible to know the answer to that question.

Sure there is.. If you will do a word study on the original Hebrew word for day and the context it is used in as well as other places it is used, the only translation of that word equates to "one full revolution of the earth. Just face it, the book is God's word and He KNOWS what He's talking about.

Doing word studies of the original languages (Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic), knowing what audience they were directed to (written to), and keeping them in context will help you receive revelation nuggets by the bucket full.
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I'm like you. I like to know that answers to everything.

I'm familiar with "Yom". I guess a point I'd like to make is, how familiar could a 13th century pauper who can't read be with that word? We don't need to know all the answers to be saved.

But it helps to know those words to have an educated discussion.

The only problem with "Yom" or "24 hour day" is that most people we would argue that point with sees it as moot because they don't believe God exists anyway.
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I'm familiar with "Yom". I guess a point I'd like to make is, how familiar could a 13th century pauper who can't read be with that word?


Hmm, not sure I understand your point. One translation is not derived from another translation. Each translation always goes back to the original language text. This has always ensured it hasn't become distorted or become a "rumor mill".

Each translation is done by a group of scholars whom are extremely familiar with the original languages used. I'm wondering, who is the 13th century pauper who can't read that you're referring to?
 
I guess I was trying to make the point that millions of Christians have lived and died without even knowing how to read, much less investigate the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic words and contexts.

I agree with you on the "day" issue. I just don't want anyone who doesn't to think something like that makes them "less" of a Christian because they aren't educated in 3500 bc language arts. :smile:

Now, with that out of the way we can talk turkey about Creation

Did you know which book of the Bible sheds more light on the Creation than any other book besides Genesis?
 
Lou hoods&more said:
I've discussed this very things with friends.

Rabbi Isaac of Acco calculated "G-d day" is just over two billion years, he got to this by calculating of the length of time in the 6 day creation.
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Are you gonna make it up here on Jun 3, 2010 or will it be the next day on Jun 4, 2,000,000,010?:scratchhead:
 
you guys are bringing up things that make ya think!!
I believe anytime anyone posts here you can learn from it.
(not only can you learn from topics...You can tell a lot about the person speaking)
 
Tony Shelton said:
Are you gonna make it up here on Jun 3, 2010 or will it be the next day on Jun 4, 2,000,000,010?:scratchhead:
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I'll make it on the 3rd ....soooooooo like where do I go? I have little ....I have no info.:dirol:
 
Tony Shelton said:
I don't think it's possible to know the answer to that question.

If you made a cake you would mix up the ingredients, put them in the oven and after a few minutes you would have a cake.

However, if a month later, someone examined the cake, knowing nothing about you or how a cake is made how could he ever imagine that YOU, an OVEN, and HEAT made that cake when all he has to go by is a hard piece of crumbling bread as evidence? That cake could have taken you minutes. But how could you come to that conclusion by examining the effects of the elements on a month old cake?

I made that up. I promise I never read that anywhere. Someone critique it. It think it's a pretty good analogy! :nhl_checking:
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This analogy does help me along any way or direction?? But I am suddenly craving chicken & waffles.

How much time elapsed prior to the beginning?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
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This sentence tells me G-d is contemplating first course of action. Then embarks on creating Heaven & Earth. The period of time taken to go over options is this even taken into consideration?
 
Scott Stone said:
Well, how long is a day to God? What is more, since a day for the earth is one complete rotation, how did they measure an earth day, before there was an earth? Could it be that a day to God is 1000 years, a million years, or 10 million years?
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Ok your counting the years of these cycles, can't use an ordinary year, but rather, a divine year.

What's divine year? Well cause it's G-D time....until you know that time frame how can you determine the "time exchange rate".

Well Psalm 90:4
"A thousand years in Your sight are but as yesterday"
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Seems to say to me "yesterday"="1000yrs"

A year is 364 ¼ days, divine year 365,250 years long.
 
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