EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

Tony Shelton said:
Nigel, if runoff could be gravity filtered so that no EPA listed contaminants made it to the storm drain and if you had a non toxic substance that would turn your sludge into an instant solid that could be disposed of in the dumpster would you turn your efforts towards that method and start putting your collected sludge in the dumpster instead of on youtube to frighten people with a visual that doesn't represent what we do?

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What do you have in mind for gravity filter? Because they are usually slow and require some relatively significant surface area.

Non toxic instant solid sounds good.

I would turn my efforts to methods and technology that I feel that is worth my time and which I believe I am capable of pursuing.

Who was frightened by my video "with a visual that doesn't represent what we do?" ? I dont believe anyone was.

As I mentioned before I have made public videos to assist and inform fellow contractors and show our capability.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Somehow I am not so sure you and Guy were thinking the same thing John

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Maybe not so I'll express what I meant then so you don't suspect I meant anything else. There's some real knowledgeable guys in this thread. There's some valid points made on all sides. It looks like we agree on some of the same issues. It also looks like were all in agreement that some of the AHJ's don't give us a fair shake.

Keeping any EPA talk out for a moment.... So what do we do about it on the net at least? We argue and point fingers at each other at times when we all should be helping each other out. So at times where our own worse enemies when we are the contractors and distributors that deal with Powerwashing.

Maybe Guy wouldn't put Distributors in the mix and I'm guessing he won't. He'll explain himself here shortly... But yes arguing amongst ourselves is pretty much counterproductive. Why would any powers to be want to listen to us on a grand scale when we don't even listen to each other??
 
Working together is what I propose also, but I have to perform a great deal explanation and evidence for a defense of the issues and progress I have encountered/developed in my area.

It certainly has been a leaning experience, for myself and quite a few.
 
810f250 said:


What do you have in mind for gravity filter? Because they are usually slow and require some relatively significant surface area.

Non toxic instant solid sounds good.

I would turn my efforts to methods and technology that I feel that is worth my time and which I believe I am capable of pursuing.

Who was frightened by my video "with a visual that doesn't represent what we do?" ? I dont believe anyone was.

As I mentioned before I have made public videos to assist and inform fellow contractors and show our capability.
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Nigel, if Taco Bell or Shell corporate see those videos depicting their locations as producers of some kind of toxic sludge because you were able to capture some dirt and tire rubber in a bucket you might find out real quick from their lawyers who you are potentially frightening.

We use layers of filter media as recommended by a friend who was the former lobbyist for the California construction industry. He attends the same SWA meetings I do each month and recently spoke at the Tri State water Convention we attended together. He fought hard for his industry to reduce regulations the way you, I, and Robert should have been for ours.

The liquid to solid aspect is a technology I initially used to eliminate water runoff into the building when cleaning evaporator coils. Then I realized it would work for sludge too.

That is an example of what we can come up with if our thinking process isn't clouded by the constraints of having to make money off the contractors.

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Tony Shelton said:
Nigel, if Taco Bell or Shell corporate see those videos depicting their locations as producers of some kind of toxic sludge because you were able to capture some dirt and tire rubber in a bucket you might find out real quick from their lawyers who you are potentially frightening.

We use layers of filter media as recommended by a friend who was the former lobbyist for the California construction industry. He attends the same SWA meetings I do each month and recently spoke at the Tri State water Convention we attended together. He fought hard for his industry to reduce regulations the way you, I, and Robert should have been for ours.

The liquid to solid aspect is a technology I initially used to eliminate water runoff into the building when cleaning evaporator coils. Then I realized it would work for sludge too.

That is an example of what we can come up with if our thinking process isn't clouded by the constraints of having to make money off the contractors.

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Interesting. Did you show this filter on a past Video here? I remember you showing your sons filtration process from a holding tank in a van or truck... It's a smaller setup but it does the job it's intended to do from what I recall in the video.

On a grander scale if your cleaning a well used Parking garage let's say around 500,000 sq' feet and you say that you found out the technology your using works well in dealing with sludge, what would you do with all the sludge you now have when your finished cleaning the garage?
 
Clean County PW said:
Interesting. Did you show this filter on a past Video here? I remember you showing your sons filtration process from a holding tank in a van or truck... It's a smaller setup but it does the job it's intended to do from what I recall in the video.

On a grander scale if your cleaning a well used Parking garage let's say around 500,000 sq' feet and you say that you found out the technology your using works well in dealing with sludge, what would you do with all the sludge you now have when your finished cleaning the garage?
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I don't do garages. If you need a filter the size of a train car to do a garage, then that is what you need. That doesn't mean a guy cleaning the front of a Starbucks needs it.

If you need advice on cleaning garages I would suggest you befriend a successful garage cleaner like Scott Stone. He has found ways to make millions while charging fair rates and remaining 100% compliant.

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Tony Shelton said:
I don't do garages. If you need a filter the size of a train car to do a garage, then that is what you need. That doesn't mean a guy cleaning the front of a Starbucks needs it.

If you need advice on cleaning garages I would suggest you befriend a successful garage cleaner like Scott Stone. He has found ways to make millions while charging fair rates and remaining 100% compliant.

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I already know Scott Stone and no I'm not looking for advice from Scott at this time. Thanks for telling me everything I already know about Scott.

So I gather that you wouldn't know what to do with the tons of sludge we deal with in parking garages. Ok my fault. I thought you could answer this because of the technology you said your using that would be good in dealing with sludge as well...

Next question. This filter you friend came up with and now you use it and your also using some new technology now as well what stops you from building a few of these and then sell them? If now you find our there is a market for them and you do indeed start selling them... Does this mean you can no longer be allowed to help contractors with environmental issues? Does it mean you can't go around and talking to others peoples contacts to try and show them another better Tony Shelton way...of course not. But since this would now put you in distributor status who says you then should have a right to represent this industry. There rights are the same as yours here except they have to sell there equipment and they better be in somewhat compliant if they want to make a sale to a contractor who may deal with an AHJ.
 
Also since you don't understand why a distributor would want to be involved when a contractor will have no say on what they do then why did you flip on PWI where now your supporting a Distributor when for many years here it was known that no distributor would ever be an admin here?

Easy- things change. I don't care for this new admin here but it doesn't mean he can't do a good job even as a distributor no less. Time will tell. I don't have to like the big cheese but I also have to be aware on how we stand with each other because it's a well known fact we don't like each other and we both have our reasons for that and we both are adamant on who's right and who's wrong but hopefully he can do a good job just like a distributor can do a good job dealing with powers to be...

And if you were to sell ur custom filter setup and it becomes a big hit.. That would make you a distributor now and like that's going to stop you from doing whatever it is you do when bucking authority. You'll do the same.
 
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Nigel, if Taco Bell or Shell corporate see those videos depicting their locations as producers of some kind of toxic sludge because you were able to capture some dirt and tire rubber in a bucket you might find out real quick from their lawyers who you are potentially frightening.

Again, the interpretation of the written word,....... I am reading the line above and one of my interpretations is , that you want to me be afraid of what their lawyers would do to me.

Is this what you meant?


We use layers of filter media as recommended by a friend who was the former lobbyist for the California construction industry. He attends the same SWA meetings I do each month and recently spoke at the Tri State water Convention we attended together. He fought hard for his industry to reduce regulations the way you, I, and Robert should have been for ours.

Do you mind posting literature and video of the layers of filter media so that we all can better understand how it works and its effectiveness.

Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?


The liquid to solid aspect is a technology I initially used to eliminate water runoff into the building when cleaning evaporator coils. Then I realized it would work for sludge too.


Sounds phenomenal, agian,.....Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?

That is an example of what we can come up with if our thinking process isn't clouded by the constraints of having to make money off the contractors.


I think that the distributors need to make money off the market to which their products and services are offered, don't misinterpret what I meant, I dont think anyone should be taken advantage of


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Nigel, your videos of Sludge will frighten people. I mean if that's your intentions I think your succeeding, they frighten me. I will never want to give this perception to the public or customer.
These companies all will never want to portray hurting the children in the future to sell a couple of burritos is worth this. Now if your selling tactic is to scare them into submission I think your going about this the wrong way.

I think Tony was saying if you owned that place would you want anyone on your property portraying this regardless if reality or not?

810f250 said:
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Nigel, if Taco Bell or Shell corporate see those videos depicting their locations as producers of some kind of toxic sludge because you were able to capture some dirt and tire rubber in a bucket you might find out real quick from their lawyers who you are potentially frightening.

Again, the interpretation of the written word,....... I am reading the line above and one of my interpretations is , that you want to me be afraid of what their lawyers would do to me.

Is this what you meant?


We use layers of filter media as recommended by a friend who was the former lobbyist for the California construction industry. He attends the same SWA meetings I do each month and recently spoke at the Tri State water Convention we attended together. He fought hard for his industry to reduce regulations the way you, I, and Robert should have been for ours.

Do you mind posting literature and video of the layers of filter media so that we all can better understand how it works and its effectiveness.

Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?


The liquid to solid aspect is a technology I initially used to eliminate water runoff into the building when cleaning evaporator coils. Then I realized it would work for sludge too.


Sounds phenomenal, agian,.....Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?

That is an example of what we can come up with if our thinking process isn't clouded by the constraints of having to make money off the contractors.


I think that the distributors need to make money off the market to which their products and services are offered, don't misinterpret what I meant, I dont think anyone should be taken advantage of


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Ron Musgraves said:
Nigel, your videos of Sludge will frighten people. I mean if that's your intentions I think your succeeding, they frighten me. I will never want to give this perception to the public or customer.
These companies all will never want to portray hurting the children in the future to sell a couple of burritos is worth this. Now if your selling tactic is to scare them into submission I think your going about this the wrong way.

I think Tony was saying if you owned that place would you want anyone on your property portraying this regardless if reality or not?
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Honestly, I really cannot understand why the videos would frighten anyone, honestly.

Most operations produce different types of waste, some of the quick service industries produce quantities of used oil, if someone showed video of the quantity of used oil produced by QSR facilities and that they are attempting to be responsible in its disposal or recycling, I dont think it would frighten its viewers.

I dont think any company would or should want to portray hurting anyone.

That is not used as a selling tactic or scare tactic, I have been asked on occasion how I would handle the wash water, some of my videos accomplish this task.

I have seen similar video of how waste is handled on discovery channel from time to time I am not frightened.

The intention is to show what was on the property from that cleaning, how the product was handled in an effort to minimize the impact on the environment.
 
810f250 said:
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Again, the interpretation of the written word,....... I am reading the line above and one of my interpretations is , that you want to me be afraid of what their lawyers would do to me.

Is this what you meant?


Do you mind posting literature and video of the layers of filter media so that we all can better understand how it works and its effectiveness.

Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?




Sounds phenomenal, agian,.....Is it possible you and I can attempt to explain to my AHJ's the technology with examples of where it has been successfully employed and accepted by other similar governing agencies in the US?



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What you have done is made the claim that Taco Bell is filthy and the ground surrounding it is so toxic that it has to be cleaned, picked up and treated at the sewer plant so it doesn't kill the fish in the bay. This is where people bring their children to eat. Some of them have outside eating areas. Sometimes children get on the ground and play or fall. If anyone ever did get sick for whatever reason and wanted to sue Taco Bell, all they would have to do is look up your video and their lawyer would use it to prove their case. I am almost certain that if Taco Bell knew this video was up they would take it down in about a second.

I have not been so lucky. I simply asked you to remove slanderous remarks the Jim made in his comments on the thread and you refused to do it. It has been 8 months now. I have not pursued it because my attorney said I can't do anything about it unless I have damages (lost account, etc) and the longer you leave it up there after being asked to remove it the better my case. Here is the slanderous comment I asked you to remove. It is a completely false statement:


garagecleaning 8 months ago
Nigel, I NEVER new how much crap was generated from a Drive Thru cleaning. Great Job and as always, great information. Don't let 1 person get you from stop posting this information.
I am sure if I dilute my cleaning with 1,000,000,000,000 gallons of water, it might ok? Please Tony, I have seen from your videos where your son was doing a drive thru and all of the waste went right into the storm. One day you will be fined and thats what you are afraid of. Being caught as a Polluter to waterways.


Frankly, Nigel, I don't believe a word you say.

You come off on the boards as some kind of innocent guy who just wants to do the right thing, but given the opportunity to do the right thing and remove this lie off your youtube page you don't.

So I'm not falling for it.

It is easy to tell from the comments made by the peanut gallery on the Taco Bell Video, that you are producing the desired effect. You know exactly what your videos are for. They are to show a graphic depiction of what you claim is some kind of toxic waste that needs to be removed from the property. When the reality is, as you have stated here, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS IN THE RUNOFF.

What good will it do for me to post the layers that we use for filtration if you can't even tell me what is in the runoff? How can we test the effectiveness if you don't even know what you are starting with? See, these are questions you should have been asking Robert or your buddy Jim if you were really interested in the science.

I've been in the air filter business since 2004 and have a pretty good working knowledge of what kind of filters take out what kind of contaminants. I also have the expertise of the construction industry behind me who has successfully dealt with the EPA using gravity filtration.

If you send me the data sheet of what is in your runoff and I'll personally make you a filter for that particular location. Free of charge. And I will make it out of commonly available media that anybody can buy without putting out $1500-100,000 for a bunch if generators, vacuums, sumps and bulky filters that would be ridiculous to use at a Taco Bell.

Otherwise, all is not lost, your bucket vacuum with pumpout is outstanding. It is just unnecessary in most cases. (I will use it for coil cleaning though. Thanks)
 
It's a shame that two grown men in this thread have to cut each other down and try to belittle one another. If you guys want to cutthroat each other why don't you do it on the phone or by PM. I enjoy reading these threads because of the info given. Very informative. Keep it professional and let the children play childish games. I really do appreciate everyone sharing their work experiences and knowledge they have gained from those experiences, but please don't make everyone else suffer the BS because you guys don't like each other!
 
Clean County PW said:
Also since you don't understand why a distributor would want to be involved when a contractor will have no say on what they do then why did you flip on PWI where now your supporting a Distributor when for many years here it was known that no distributor would ever be an admin here?

Easy- things change. I don't care for this new admin here but it doesn't mean he can't do a good job even as a distributor no less. Time will tell. I don't have to like the big cheese but I also have to be aware on how we stand with each other because it's a well known fact we don't like each other and we both have our reasons for that and we both are adamant on who's right and who's wrong but hopefully he can do a good job just like a distributor can do a good job dealing with powers to be...

And if you were to sell ur custom filter setup and it becomes a big hit.. That would make you a distributor now and like that's going to stop you from doing whatever it is you do when bucking authority. You'll do the same.
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John, if you can't understand the difference between Robert Hinderliter and Russ Johnson who are DISTRIBUTORS and make their living distributing products and Doug Rucker who sells a few buckets of chemicals on the side so he can get better pricing for himself, then there is no point to go on with this conversation.
 
Tony Shelton said:
John, if you can't understand the difference between Robert Hinderliter and Russ Johnson who are DISTRIBUTORS and make their living distributing products and Doug Rucker who sells a few buckets of chemicals on the side so he can get better pricing for himself, then there is no point to go on with this conversation.
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Figures.... You get asked a couple of tough questions and you fold your cards. You make it clear that distributors should not be involved in any decisions that affect Contractors. You have been saying that for years. Now you have a distributor here that will make decisions can and will affect contractors. For one if he does a good job and gives a hoot it doesn't matter to me. Same goes in the outside world. How about you?

You also make a statement that you have a system that's excellent for sludge. So if it works as good as you say it is then it must do a good job separating the sludge out. What do you recommend to do with all that sludge now?
 
Clean County PW said:
Also since you don't understand why a distributor would want to be involved when a contractor will have no say on what they do then why did you flip on PWI where now your supporting a Distributor when for many years here it was known that no distributor would ever be an admin here?

Easy- things change. I don't care for this new admin here but it doesn't mean he can't do a good job even as a distributor no less.
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Just to clarify, I made the decision and suggestion to Ron on the next admin - to be honest, I was not aware of the non-distributor requirement. So, if that offends anyone, I apologize. If it offends you John, I could care less. Being a distributor or not was never a factor in my support for Doug as admin for PWI.

If there is an issue with this appointment, I am sure it will be addressed by past admins and staff of this board.
 
810f250 said:
Honestly, I really cannot understand why the videos would frighten anyone, honestly.

Most operations produce different types of waste, some of the quick service industries produce quantities of used oil, if someone showed video of the quantity of used oil produced by QSR facilities and that they are attempting to be responsible in its disposal or recycling, I dont think it would frighten its viewers.

I dont think any company would or should want to portray hurting anyone.

That is not used as a selling tactic or scare tactic, I have been asked on occasion how I would handle the wash water, some of my videos accomplish this task.

I have seen similar video of how waste is handled on discovery channel from time to time I am not frightened.

The intention is to show what was on the property from that cleaning, how the product was handled in an effort to minimize the impact on the environment.
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How do you handle this Waste, The one video shows you dumping this into a Bucket outside containment polluting and contaminating ground water supply possibly.

So how do you dispose of properly?
 
Rance said:
It's a shame that two grown men in this thread have to cut each other down and try to belittle one another. If you guys want to cutthroat each other why don't you do it on the phone or by PM. I enjoy reading these threads because of the info given. Very informative. Keep it professional and let the children play childish games. I really do appreciate everyone sharing their work experiences and knowledge they have gained from those experiences, but please don't make everyone else suffer the BS because you guys don't like each other!
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Noted, I agree
 
Clean County PW said:
... You make it clear that distributors should not be involved in any decisions that affect Contractors. You have been saying that for years. Now you have a distributor here that will make decisions can and will affect contractors...
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Difference being that PWI is not a national organization claiming to represent the interests of all with a one size fits all approach. Your attempt at using your personal issues with Doug to highlight your point as it relates to wastewater control and EPA compliance in this thread is baseless.
 
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