Caustic Thickeners for Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning-surfactant

[rando]

wow!

i'm not a hoodie so i really have nothing to add here but after looking at the burns from the foam what do you guys wear (or should wear) when you apply this stuff? evidently this stuff is a caustic and can do some damage if you're not careful. oasis, was your guy applying a non-caustic foam cleaner or is there such a thing? please don't think i am picking on you as you can tell i am pretty ignorant when it comes to hood cleaning. i miss marko...not!

thanks,

rando

 

[Oasis]

i'm not a hoodie so i really have nothing to add here but after looking at the burns from the foam what do you guys wear (or should wear) when you apply this stuff? evidently this stuff is a caustic and can do some damage if you're not careful. oasis, was your guy applying a non-caustic foam cleaner or is there such a thing? please don't think i am picking on you as you can tell i am pretty ignorant when it comes to hood cleaning. i miss marko...not!

thanks,

rando

Its a Proprietary mix. however I will say I am glad to have (1) Product now instead of mixing several different products on the job. We basically designed a product and our local Chemist is producing it for us. We call it "Oasis Black Magic" its great! :dance: As far as non-caustic mix goes...we dont use anything except "Oasis Black Magic" ! "Grease...now ya see it...:wave: Now ya dont"

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Indiana Jones....

What if Dawn could bring the same results as far as foaming goes? You could prolly go to Sam's Club or whatever and get 5 Gallon buckets of Dawn at $?? per gallon. I've actually had some good foam using it, and Jason is using nothing but Dawn down in Puerto Rico becuase of the price of shipping. I don't know, just food for thought

Anthony, you need Amonyx LO I think ?
It is stable in BOTH Acids and Alkalines.
Lori at Pressure Washer Products here in Florida sells it.
It is 30 percent Lauramine Oxide.
We are using it at the RCIA forum as the surfactant of choice for our roof cleaning mix.
There are several US Patents that reference it's use in Caustic Foam Generation.
Most of my roof cleaners use it now, finding it cheaper in the long run then Dawn, and unlike Dawn, unconditionally stable in an Alkaline medium.
Nothing against Dawn Anthony, but it takes 25 bottles of it to equal 1 gallon of Amonyx LO for roof cleaning cling, and ya better hurry and spray before the Alkaline Chlorine eats the Dawn up
We have 300 gallon tanks, but here is an example of what 3 gallons mixed into 300 gallons does.
This was NP 9 being used that day, because I was not aware of Amonyx LO back then.
I am told that NP 9 and Amonyx LO have similar Foaming/Cling abilities.

The stuff shoots out like a liquid, then kind of goes splat, more of a wet foam.
But then, we are not using any foam devices.

If you Google Lauramine Oxide or Amonyx LO (Same Thing) you will see it is a foam enhancer.

I bet Lori will send you, or anyone interested, a small sample to TRY :nanner:

FEAR The Amonyx LO enhanced Foam :moil:

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

John, I too use Ajax (Antibacterial), it works so much better than Dawn. It seems to hold it's own when mixed with the SH / PH mixture were Dawn seemed to thin out.

Ajax and Dawn were not made for Alkaline stability.
Amonyx LO is, and so is this, an alternative to Amonyx LO I have not tried yet, because Amonyx LO works for us so well.
If you click this link, and scroll down the page, you will see a formulation using it with Potassium Hydroxide.
I think the Amonyx LO may work for you guys, but this is another possibility http://www.masonsurfactants.com/Products/Macat_AO_12.htm
It too is stable in Acids and Alkaline mixes.

 

[mbryan]

What happened? He looks more like he got jumped!

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It was a forwarded email from a company in San Diego, the guy had taken off his mask because it was fogging up and got some foam back splash.

Be careful when using that stuff, it's no joke.

 

[mbryan]

Ajax and Dawn were not made for Alkaline stability.
Amonyx LO is, and so is this, an alternative to Amonyx LO I have not tried yet, because Amonyx LO works for us so well.
If you click this link, and scroll down the page, you will see a formulation using it with Potassium Hydroxide.
I think the Amonyx LO may work for you guys, but this is another possibility http://www.masonsurfactants.com/Products/Macat_AO_12.htm
It too is stable in Acids and Alkaline mixes.

Never heard of the stuff:shrug:

 

[Oasis]

Well, I am glad youve found a product that works

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Never heard of the stuff:shrug:

I mis spelled it Matt, it is Ammonyx LO
Here is a thread about it http://www.propowerwash.com/board/upload/showpost.php?p=185785&postcount=7

 

[Grant]

Ammonyx LO is Lauramine Oxide which is in shampoo, soap and bubble bath

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Ammonyx LO is Lauramine Oxide which is in shampoo, soap and bubble bath

Yep !
And Potassium Hydroxide is in Oven Cleaner, and Sodium Hydroxide in Drano.
And take enough Advil, it equals Motrin.
The names Ammonyx LO, Barlow, Mercat, etc, etc, are all trade names for a solution of 30 percent Lauramine Oxide.

I think shampoo, soap and bubble bath contain like .5 percent ?
I know it sure don't take much.
I am something of a "mad chemist" around the house.

I bought some cheap dollar store hand soap in a dispenser for the bathrooom.
It took almost two squirts of that stuff to suds and clean.
I dumped out 1/4 of the bottle, fillled it back up adding Ammonyx LO.
Now, one or 2 drops will foam up and clean my hands.

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Ammonyx LO is Lauramine Oxide which is in shampoo, soap and bubble bath

Grant, far be it from me to tell Greasers how to clean, LOL
I prefer not to even LOOK at kitchen exhaust hoods in restaurants I eat in :shocked2:
Kinda ruins the appetite, even in a Man like me who has yet to meet the meal he did not like.
As a roof cleaner, I consider Greasers our "first cousins" in that you guys spray chemicals, just like us.
I have had a lot of good reading of the Posts of Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Pro's.

Just trying to suggest something that works for us roof cleaners, and MAY work for our Kitchen Exhaust cleaning brothers ?

Maybe it will not ?

If it does, I would like to know, so that I may pass it on to any of my RCIA Guys who also clean hoods.

I don't think we currently have any I am aware of, but I am sure a "light may turn on one day" and some greasers will realize that since they already have a chemical spray outfit, why not spray roofs too ?


Evidently, Ammonyx LO is a degreaser too ?

Stepan has expanded its amine oxide portfolio with the addition of Ammonyx LO Special, a naturally derived lauryl amine oxide. Stepan defines naturally derived as made from biorenewable feedstocks (derived from plant, animal or marine sources).

Ammonyx LO Special is ideal for efficient grease removal, lime soap dispersibility in neutral to alkaline pH and stability with hydrogen peroxide or sodium hypochlorite formulations.

More info: www.stepan.com

 

[dodsonish]

Could I get a copy of those foamer plans?

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

LOL....

 

[Oasis]

Could I get a copy of those foamer plans?

Sure, are you sure you want a foamer? Plans are available through the US patent office according to a highly reputable source who frequents this forum. :dirol: I am still waiting for the GP to mass produce the GP 5000! Until then I am stuck with this piece of crap.

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[Andrew Bandarovich]

4oz per gallon or 1 cup per 5 gallons is a good start you can use less and get away with it. The delco stuff works well too and has a red tint so it's pretty.

Pink foam is for flatworkers.

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Lafferty just came out with a new foamer that runs off 1 cfm of air.
I am aware of it only because the Lafferty Rep says it can be adapted for roof cleaning as well.
I don't know anything about cleaning hoods, but Lafferty told me wet foam is better then shaving cream foam for cleaning, although it dont look as impressive in a video ?
Is that true ?

 

[mbryan]

Lafferty just came out with a new foamer that runs off 1 cfm of air.

Thats almost as good as my Facilitec foamer, almost:butcher:

 

[Lou hoods&more]

I don't know anything about cleaning hoods, but Lafferty told me wet foam is better then shaving cream foam for cleaning, although it dont look as impressive in a video ?
Is that true ?

Wet foam has it's place, as does "shaving cream" foam. I did a group last week 5 restaurants in a strip center.

1. Chinese
2. Pizza
3. Thia
4. Breakfast
5. Mexican

I start by foaming "shaving cream" Chinese & Thai and all fans, stacks and laterals. Pull filters hang hoods and again "shaving cream" the plume on the Chinese & Thai and filters.
Then DS the Pizza, Mexican and Breakfast first from the roof then the Asian joints. My "shaving cream" will stand for hour and half but will often hit it again at 45 minutes.

The point is if the grease I'm looking at can come off with more dwell and can work it in then I take advantage of not having to labor with scrapping.

 

[Oasis]

Wet foam has it's place, as does "shaving cream" foam. I did a group last week 5 restaurants in a strip center.

1. Chinese
2. Pizza
3. Thia
4. Breakfast
5. Mexican

I start by foaming "shaving cream" Chinese & Thai and all fans, stacks and laterals. Pull filters hang hoods and again "shaving cream" the plume on the Chinese & Thai and filters.
Then DS the Pizza, Mexican and Breakfast first from the roof then the Asian joints. My "shaving cream" will stand for hour and half but will often hit it again at 45 minutes.

The point is if the grease I'm looking at can come off with more dwell and can work it in then I take advantage of not having to labor with scrapping.

Foam is King! High Pressure High GPM chem injection is the Shiz, its crazy expensive to set up but kicks ass. Man it was a nightmare to get going , once we set it up we beta tested the system and had good results. expensive but worth it. :bash:

 

[Apple Roof Cleaning]

Wet foam has it's place, as does "shaving cream" foam. I did a group last week 5 restaurants in a strip center.

1. Chinese
2. Pizza
3. Thia
4. Breakfast
5. Mexican

I start by foaming "shaving cream" Chinese & Thai and all fans, stacks and laterals. Pull filters hang hoods and again "shaving cream" the plume on the Chinese & Thai and filters.
Then DS the Pizza, Mexican and Breakfast first from the roof then the Asian joints. My "shaving cream" will stand for hour and half but will often hit it again at 45 minutes.

The point is if the grease I'm looking at can come off with more dwell and can work it in then I take advantage of not having to labor with scrapping.

What, do you have to scrape wet foam and not scrape shaving cream foam as much Lou ?