Carlos & Ron!!! pressure washing UAMCC

Russ Spence said:
actually if it went down like Tony said they have committed theft by deception and or fraud by taking his money in the first place since they were never going to allow him the full benifits of the org.
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But I'm sure it's all justifiable because Ron is such a BAD guy!

Maybe when some of the wives who are supporting their husbands lose their good paying jobs in this bad economy some of these "Nontractors" will finally lose their internet connections and have to go out and get a job and quit spending every night and day worrying about what Ron is doing.

"By Nontractors - For Nontractors." :jester:

This is the Saturday night live thread isn't it?
 
I also saw that but I have not figured out how to remove posts, only threads. I agree, you don't need to use cuss words to get your point across most of the time.
 
It sounds like there were a few witnesses to what is being said. BUT, why the hell is anyone believing anything Mike K is saying anyway? He's well known for making up BS and spreading rumors.

He seemed like a nice guy when I met him in Georgia for an RT and I thought all this rumor mill crap was over. Now I hear the latest rumor he's spreading around about me is that I own an answering service. I don't, but even if I did, who the hell cares?

If someones got a question for me, call me and ask me in person.

Does anyone know anything about this guy or his history? All I know is he popped up on the BBS's a few years ago and started making accusations and demanding answers from PWNA, then continued to stir up more BS when he didn't get an answer he liked.

Huh, sounds kinda like what's happening now to the UAMCC now doesn't it?

Karma bites doesn't it?

I wish all of these dam BBS's would just shut down and dissapear, mine included. Then maybe this industry would actually get past the drama and BS.
 
I know plenty. I don't want to get involved in this, though, so will leave it at that. I am tired of the drama, even if truths are coming out.
 
Henry Bockman said:
It sounds like there were a few witnesses to what is being said. BUT, why the hell is anyone believing anything Mike K is saying anyway? He's well known for making up BS and spreading rumors.

He seemed like a nice guy when I met him in Georgia for an RT and I thought all this rumor mill crap was over. Now I hear the latest rumor he's spreading around about me is that I own an answering service. I don't, but even if I did, who the hell cares?

If someones got a question for me, call me and ask me in person.

Does anyone know anything about this guy or his history? All I know is he popped up on the BBS's a few years ago and started making accusations and demanding answers from PWNA, then continued to stir up more BS when he didn't get an answer he liked.

Huh, sounds kinda like what's happening now to the UAMCC now doesn't it?

Karma bites doesn't it?

I wish all of these dam BBS's would just shut down and dissapear, mine included. Then maybe this industry would actually get past the drama and BS.
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If this is the case, then how did he end up as a TT member?
How did the other TT members not know?
Was the plan against Ron all MK?
Impossible.
 
Scott Stone said:
I know plenty. I don't want to get involved in this, though, so will leave it at that. I am tired of the drama, even if truths are coming out.
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I know plenty too!

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David Potter said:
John and Jeff are good people (you can tell by their posts) and I believe
if they were running/and in control their wouldnt be all of these on going issuses ..I believe these men would listen ( I mean that sincerly) :wink2:
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Thanks Dave for the compliment. I wish Jeff did not decide to no longer be in contention for a BOD slot. In MHO Jeff was presidential material no doubt. But this stuff takes alot out of a person and Jeff told his wife he would not stay on in 2010 and when you tell the boss that you have to stick by your word.

I've been thru all of this before with the PWNA and no matter how hard you try there will always be naysayers and also one;s who will accuse you of not being on the up and up. I say what I know here but the ones who don't want to listen..just don't. Some guys feel like they were wronged and they have stated there case here. Now it seems like the consensus here is whatever Mike K has said or did not say it is the word of the UAMCC. If you look hard you will see cycles like this come and go. Today its Mike K. and tomorrow it could be me. I've just been accused of being a liar for probably the first time on a private message. It never ends. You have to develop real real thick skin to get past all of this...and its not easy.

Sometimes I say to myself I just don't know who to believe. The stories just have a way of growing and along the way they get distorted. All I can do is do what I think I do best. Communicate thru the net and give the fairest and most honest answer that I can. Talk to a few people and do the same. After that there is nothing else one can do but move on.. which is what I am going to do here. ITs a Vicious cycle here and I'm sure it will be one day on another bb in the future...but there is a time we have to move on...or at least I do so I can keep my head on straight and try to help my fellow UAMCC members and anyone for that matter. Time to move on....Good luck to you guys who are searching for the answers that will satisfy what it is that your looking for. ALot of Ego;s involved and when that happens then its best to move on because we will forever get nowhere here.

I'll keep posting on other parts of PWI...but I have to learn what Celeste has told me just recently...To just stop posting about anything UAMCC here on PWI....Being a little thick headed I kept posting because you guys keep asking but maybe we should all listen to what Celeste told me and we should all just stop talking about the UAMCC here because the Mods here just don' want it. Time to listen for me....NOW.
 
Henry Bockman said:
It sounds like there were a few witnesses to what is being said. BUT, why the hell is anyone believing anything Mike K is saying anyway? He's well known for making up BS and spreading rumors.

He seemed like a nice guy when I met him in Georgia for an RT and I thought all this rumor mill crap was over. Now I hear the latest rumor he's spreading around about me is that I own an answering service. I don't, but even if I did, who the hell cares?

If someones got a question for me, call me and ask me in person.

Does anyone know anything about this guy or his history? All I know is he popped up on the BBS's a few years ago and started making accusations and demanding answers from PWNA, then continued to stir up more BS when he didn't get an answer he liked.

Huh, sounds kinda like what's happening now to the UAMCC now doesn't it?

Karma bites doesn't it?

I wish all of these dam BBS's would just shut down and dissapear, mine included. Then maybe this industry would actually get past the drama and BS.
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Thanks Henry, I'm sure Mike has just as nice words for as me. You had the B_l_s to say it.

The funny thing is that the game for these guys is over. People are saying it all over the place. It just took awhile, no one is trying to hurt anyone. The entire time exactly the oposite has been attempted. Its blowing up in there face now.
 
Russ Spence said:
actually if it went down like Tony said they have committed theft by deception and or fraud by taking his money in the first place since they were never going to allow him the full benifits of the org.
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Does anyone Care? I know I have had 300 or 400 people call me but no one really posting about this. ( who was I???)

winner get a $50 gift cert... first person to post the answer.
 
John, Where is Carlos? I will make a promise to not post a single word in the remainder of this thread if Carlos will simply get on here and answer Ron.

This is a childish game.

Ken Fenner does not represent the UAMCC
Michael K is just one guy and does not represent the UAMCC
John is just a member and does not represent the UAMCC
and on and on.

This way no one is responsible for anything they say.

Well, Carlos DOES represent the UAMCC. Where is he?
 
Tony Shelton said:
John, Where is Carlos? I will make a promise to not post a single word in the remainder of this thread if Carlos will simply get on here and answer Ron.

This is a childish game.

Ken Fenner does not represent the UAMCC
Michael K is just one guy and does not represent the UAMCC
John is just a member and does not represent the UAMCC
and on and on.

This way no one is responsible for anything they say.

Well, Carlos DOES represent the UAMCC. Where is he?
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(sound of crickets)................................................................


Again, no answers to questions, just avoidance. Just amazing. Wow.

It is funny how some people will blindly believe something was not said (who knows their reason) when we heard it in person and other things on the phone and tell them that and they still don't believe that. Is there a word for that?????? I just don't know, brainwashed sounds kind of strong but it is the closest thing that I could think of.

I have seen current posts by carlos on PT State and onThe Grime Scene so I know he is out there somewhere, just not posting here, probably reading (some websites have programs that record every url, isp and other info, not sure if this site does that) but just not answering questions or posting.

Maybe it is just me but if I OWNED a new organization and people had questions about it, I would be out there answering them unless I had something to hide. I would try to let everyone know things that should be public and let them know that some things are private unless everything has to be open to the public, not sure of corporate rules or laws dealing with that stuff.

Some of this stuff just confuses me, a guy pays money to be a member and wants a banner but they take his money and never put up a banner but keep giving excuses but never a baner and then kick him out but don't refund the money after making a video stating that money would be refunded and this guy is banned for a year but not given back his money?

I am also confused why they would not want multiple threads promoting events other than their own on thier site but on sites like PT State and
The Grime Scene there are multiple threads promothing their event. I am confused why it can be a certain way according to them but they do the exact thing that they don't want done on their site on other sites. Why would they do that? Isn't that called a double standard or something like that?

I am so confused here, I wish someone from that org could post here and explain it to me so I could understand. No phone calls please, but you can post here and I will read it when I can.

Thank You.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Five hours later and still.....
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9 hours later since the post I made:

(sound of crickets)....................................................................
 
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