Carlos & Ron!!! pressure washing UAMCC

Ron Musgraves said:
John, Four people including Jeff will not deny it. It happened and people heard, I was told about by the people listening. Yes it was a conversation in front of Jeff And some others. ) the other contractors know who they are.

Why is so hard to beleive? Because its ridiculous!!!!
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Either way Ron no one guy speaks for all of the UAMCC. There is no president in place yet.
 
Clean County PW said:
Either way Ron no one guy speaks for all of the UAMCC. There is no president in place yet.
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John, no org should be started to keep anyone out or under control.

Carlos thinks I want control, I just wanted to help.

I signed up Distributor and members(FACT) many. I was just trying to help, pretty hard to swallow when you find out the people your helping never supported you.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

I would like to come but I'm actually affraid I might pay and not be able to attend when I actually arrive. ( some other BS reason)

I actually just want people to knwo the truth, I hope in the future people that are actually in charge see the wrongs and make them right.

Go Future Uamcc!!!!:happydance::happydance:
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Ron if you pay to go to the Convention I can garantee you that you will have access to all what everyone else who is attending will. I wish you would go. Many of the UAMCC guys go to your Roundtables(Yes I know that some have signed up to the UAMCC because of attending your RT's if that's what your thinking).

So pony up and bring your team to the UAMCC Convention. Will do dinner if you go.
 
Clean County PW said:
Ron if you pay to go to the Convention I can garantee you that you will have access to all what everyone else who is attending will. I wish you would go. Many of the UAMCC guys go to your Roundtables(Yes I know that some have signed up to the UAMCC because of attending your RT's if that's what your thinking).

So pony up and bring your team to the UAMCC Convention. Will do dinner if you go.
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Jeff LeCours Couldnt garantee my banner or refund when they booted me. How can you Garantee me access to the convention? :barf:

I will likley be there, if theres not a pay at the door i will not attend. i hope they realize 16% pays at the door
 
*****These are my opinions not those of Ron nor PWI.*****

John I definitely want to see what 2010 has in store,but I have time and again seen the mantras "We are moving ahead with or without you" and "We are staying the course".The only time you hear them are when someone asks hard hitting questions about problems.It strikes me as a head buried in the sand stance by the TT,Exec Director and the potential new BOD.Fix the problems now and announce what has been done so these topics don't have to be hashed and rehashed.
Wes asked question on the Uamcc site and still hasn't got any concrete answers from Carlos.Jeff stepped up as usual to speak for the Org and did a mighty fine job.If Carlos doesn't want to engage in these topic away from the Uamcc site I can understand,but to skirt them on the Org's site and allow others to speak just doesn't seem right to me.I'll cut him some slack since the day Wes asked it was his daughter Bday,but at the very least he should have addressed them the next day.Instead he has said he will address them Monday.
You have guys beating their chests that they are now better than other legit contractor because they paid their Org dues.You and I both remember how well that flew when the PWNA guys did the same thing.Jeff has said that mentality isn't being taught or promoted by the Org and I do want to believe that,but it's hard to ignore when I heard it in person at MB.I can chase the same RFP's and contracts as this particular guy with my industry background/insurance and get just as many if not more jobs.Those kind of comments make me want to go out of my way to discredit this type of person.They aren't part of the Org nor are they running for the BOD for the betterment of the industry.They are involved as a self service so they can work their personal agendas.
Transparency is important for this Org. and if it wants to really represent the industry it will keep in mind that to grow it must find a neutral ground to represent members and non-members alike.
 
This posted is directed towards ron nobody else

It seems pretty obvious by now they have answersed all of your questions
Over and over again (they said so)

Everybody over there likes you they said that as well
(well what they are really saying is you can't prove otherwise) that they have said anything derogotory about you

They have said basically the rfp won't hurt your business or other non umacc contractors and you are wrong about that as well

I understand what they are saying

I have only one question:

Could carlos and transistion team everyone that is current and past tt members post

at what time in their lives they paid for a membership 500 dollars and were told to shut up and go away and did so oh and maybe someone might fix it 6 month latter

seriously i bet everyone on the transition team including carlos would never allow this to happen to them.

I cant wait for someone to say yea I went to best buy bought a tv paid for it and they wouldnt give me the product
6 months later they are saying: oh shut up about it your hurting our business .....yikes



they coulnt even shut up about a hotel room for god sakes and ron is supposed to shut up about the treatment he was given



edit; like I said in the beginning this was directed towards ron .......no else needs to reply to this post
 
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Let me be perfectly clear on this.

Michael told me twice on the phone that "from the beginning" the UAMCC was going to be an org that "Ron Musgraves was not going to have anything to do with" He told me that steps were taken to set things up in a way that would "limit Ron's involvement in the org". Otherwise Ron would eventually "take over" the org like he has "taken over" everything else.

He said there were members who are tired of Ron running everything and this was to be a Ron Free zone (note, I didn't quote that because I don't think those were the exact words used, but that was the gist).

He was relentless in his accusations that Ron was "in the pocket" of the distributors because "Sunbrite keeps selling (some item that Mike claims doesn't work) and promoting on PWI" He also was making claims that Sunbrite had advertised a chemical somehow incorrectly and that was proof that Ron was in the pocket of the distributors.

(Interestingly he didn't have too much to say about his own chosen distributor (PT) that banned me because I posted hard questions on his board about the UAMCC)

I asked if the posting rules on the UAMCC forum were made with Ron in mind and he said "yes" and indicated that otherwise Ron would be able to promote all his own stuff on the board.

Jeff had previously denied that there had been plan to limit Ron at the UAMCC. It was suggested that maybe Jeff just didn't know about it because he came on late. I gave Jeff the benefit of the doubt and determined to get them both together and allow Mike to let Jeff know how wrong he was.

So I got the two of them together. (Mike and Jeff) and told Jeff the information Mike had told me about Ron. Mike started off stating that Ron's status as (whatever his UAMCC status was) kept him from being a part of the decisions in the UAMCC.

I understand that.

But I further asked "was it planned from the beginning to keep Ron from being involved in anything to do with the future direction of the UAMCC." Mike said YES.

So I don't know what conversation Jeff was listening to if he didn't hear that.

Jeff, I even told you right there on the spot that you came on late and probably didn't even know that. Where were you in that conversation? Don't you even remember that?

This is just more double talk just like Mike's answer at the MB RT when I asked the TT to please name three mistakes that have been made by the TT and what would they do differently. (giving a perfect opportunity for them to give an alternative to the TWS mess.) But instead of being direct Mike's answer was "we started doing things too soon".

That was just double talk just like this thing with Ron. The fact is the UAMCC TT planned to exclude Ron (to curry the favor of contractors who don't like Ron) but the double talk comes in when, later, it is claimed that the only reason Ron has no say is because of his "vendor" or whatever status he took on as a UAMCC member.

They will never admit to this because they are afraid of being sued for taking Ron's money knowing how they planned to limit his influence.

Jeff, you are indirectly defending this backroom blackballing.

You are either complicit in this, or you are lacking in understanding to the point that it's scary.
 
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I cant wait for someone to say yea I went to best buy bought a tv paid for it and they wouldnt give me the product
6 months later they are saying: oh shut up about it your hurting our business .....yikes



they couldnt even shut up about a hotel room for god sakes and ron is supposed to shut up about the treatment he was given
oh and its not just not just the 500 dollars how about the loss of future business (real money)he got screwed out of....every now and then someone post they had a contract with a customer and the customer broke it and everyones reponse is sue the bastards lets hope ron doesnt read those posts



edit sorry for the rant if the moderators want to remove it its okay with me it just made me mad when someone just posted this was hurting their business /convention and if they do it to him how will they treat a little like me or others


oh sorry the disclaimer this is my opinion not rons or pwi ( sorry but why is everyone posting this on their post ?)
 
Tony Shelton said:
Let me be perfectly clear on this.

Michael told me twice on the phone that "from the beginning" the UAMCC was going to be an org that "Ron Musgraves was not going to have anything to do with" He told me that steps were taken to set things up in a way that would "limit Ron's involvement in the org". Otherwise Ron would eventually "take over" the org like he has "taken over" everything else.

He said there were members who are tired of Ron running everything and this was to be a Ron Free zone (note, I didn't quote that because I don't think those were the exact words used, but that was the gist).

He was relentless in his accusations that Ron was "in the pocket" of the distributors because "Sunbrite keeps selling (some item that Mike claims doesn't work) and promoting on PWI" He also was making claims that Sunbrite had advertised a chemical somehow incorrectly and that was proof that Ron was in the pocket of the distributors.

(Interestingly he didn't have too much to say about his own chosen distributor (PT) that banned me because I posted hard questions on his board about the UAMCC)

I asked if the posting rules on the UAMCC forum were made with Ron in mind and he said "yes" and indicated that otherwise Ron would be able to promote all his own stuff on the board.

Jeff had previously denied that there had been plan to limit Ron at the UAMCC. It was suggested that maybe Jeff just didn't know about it because he came on late. I gave Jeff the benefit of the doubt and determined to get them both together and allow Mike to let Jeff know how wrong he was.

So I got the two of them together. (Mike and Jeff) and told Jeff the information Mike had told me about Ron. Mike started off stating that Ron's status as (whatever his UAMCC status was) kept him from being a part of the decisions in the UAMCC.

I understand that.

But I further asked "was it planned from the beginning to keep Ron from being involved in anything to do with the future direction of the UAMCC." Mike said YES.

So I don't know what conversation Jeff was listening to if he didn't hear that.

Jeff, I even told you right there on the spot that you came on late and probably didn't even know that. Where were you in that conversation? Don't you even remember that?

This is just more double talk just like Mike's answer at the MB RT when I asked the TT to please name three mistakes that have been made by the TT and what would they do differently. (giving a perfect opportunity for them to give an alternative to the TWS mess.) But instead of being direct Mike's answer was "we started doing things too soon".

That was just double talk just like this thing with Ron. The fact is the UAMCC TT planned to exclude Ron (to curry the favor of contractors who don't like Ron) but the double talk comes in when, later, it is claimed that the only reason Ron has no say is because of his "vendor" or whatever status he took on as a UAMCC member.

They will never admit to this because they are afraid of being sued for taking Ron's money knowing how they planned to limit his influence.

Jeff, you are indirectly defending this backroom blackballing.

You are either complicit in this, or you are lacking in understanding to the point that it's scary.
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I was standing right there along with other contractors and heard it.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Let me be perfectly clear on this.

Michael told me twice on the phone that "from the beginning" the UAMCC was going to be an org that "Ron Musgraves was not going to have anything to do with" He told me that steps were taken to set things up in a way that would "limit Ron's involvement in the org". Otherwise Ron would eventually "take over" the org like he has "taken over" everything else.

He said there were members who are tired of Ron running everything and this was to be a Ron Free zone (note, I didn't quote that because I don't think those were the exact words used, but that was the gist).

He was relentless in his accusations that Ron was "in the pocket" of the distributors because "Sunbrite keeps selling (some item that Mike claims doesn't work) and promoting on PWI" He also was making claims that Sunbrite had advertised a chemical somehow incorrectly and that was proof that Ron was in the pocket of the distributors.

(Interestingly he didn't have too much to say about his own chosen distributor (PT) that banned me because I posted hard questions on his board about the UAMCC)

I asked if the posting rules on the UAMCC forum were made with Ron in mind and he said "yes" and indicated that otherwise Ron would be able to promote all his own stuff on the board.

Jeff had previously denied that there had been plan to limit Ron at the UAMCC. It was suggested that maybe Jeff just didn't know about it because he came on late. I gave Jeff the benefit of the doubt and determined to get them both together and allow Mike to let Jeff know how wrong he was.

So I got the two of them together. (Mike and Jeff) and told Jeff the information Mike had told me about Ron. Mike started off stating that Ron's status as (whatever his UAMCC status was) kept him from being a part of the decisions in the UAMCC.

I understand that.

But I further asked "was it planned from the beginning to keep Ron from being involved in anything to do with the future direction of the UAMCC." Mike said YES.

So I don't know what conversation Jeff was listening to if he didn't hear that.

Jeff, I even told you right there on the spot that you came on late and probably didn't even know that. Where were you in that conversation? Don't you even remember that?

This is just more double talk just like Mike's answer at the MB RT when I asked the TT to please name three mistakes that have been made by the TT and what would they do differently. (giving a perfect opportunity for them to give an alternative to the TWS mess.) But instead of being direct Mike's answer was "we started doing things too soon".

That was just double talk just like this thing with Ron. The fact is the UAMCC TT planned to exclude Ron (to curry the favor of contractors who don't like Ron) but the double talk comes in when, later, it is claimed that the only reason Ron has no say is because of his "vendor" or whatever status he took on as a UAMCC member.

They will never admit to this because they are afraid of being sued for taking Ron's money knowing how they planned to limit his influence.

Jeff, you are indirectly defending this backroom blackballing.

You are either complicit in this, or you are lacking in understanding to the point that it's scary.
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Tony if you need to further discuss with jeff you could continue on:

a. umacc bbs
b. ptstate bbs
c. grime scene ( i dont think they would allow it)
d. none of the above :jester:


hahahahhahahahahahhahaha :jester:
 
Tony Shelton said:
Was that really Jeff asking for the ban or was it Ken in disguise? :grin::joyful:

NOTE: That was just a JOKE. Jeff needs a break. He's been singlehandedly taking on all questions.
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I know Jeff has been answering most of the questions and recently Ken has been there answering some also.

What I am wondering is why aren't more of the tt team helping out Jeff answer the questions? If all of them are on the same page then they all should know the answers or at least try to answer them or say that they will find out and get back and answer.

Just like that list that was made of questions, they still never answered them all, just avoided a lot of them and then nothing.

I would want everything answered before I hand over the money to be a member, maybe that is just me but this is how I feel.

Disclaimer
*My comments and not those of PWI*
 
In this slot Trey posted an inappropriate swear word in a phase. I don't know if that was to try to get the whole thread moved, but it did succeed in getting his post moved. (I'm getting into this mod thing now) :smilewinkgrin:

BTW, Trey is very intelligent and doesn't need to swear to get his point across. Just ask my wife. She was impressed by his wit.
 
John and Jeff are good people (you can tell by their posts) and I believe
if they were running/and in control their wouldnt be all of these on going issuses ..I believe these men would listen ( I mean that sincerly) :wink2:
 
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