When Offcially do founder memberships start? 2010 or do they end march 2010?
Carlos & Ron!!! pressure washing UAMCC
- Thread starter Ron Musgraves
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When Offcially do founder memberships start? 2010 or do they end march 2010?
pressurepros
New member
I'm not sure, Ron. There was talk of lifetime membership but all of us on the TT voted that down. The last conversation was for multi year. It was never really resolved. I'll go with whatever the new board decides. I think it should be voted by all of the membership to make it fair. Whatever they decide, I am cool with.
That in itself shows poor leadership. We are continuing to wait for simple answers.
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
You say you feel stupid giving your money, but All of this was put out it was put out there would be elections and the new BOD would be seated in Jan 2010. Just because you want something different NOW, doesnt mean we are going to change everything that was planned. We have rules, by laws and such and we are going to follow them, as we should
There was reasons behind the BOD being elected in October and not being seated fully till Jan. Just like American elections that have gone on for over 200 years. The candidate is elected in November and not seated until Jan, this is in part to have a smooth transition, to to learn to get things going
I still say we go by our rules and bylaws. Just because you don't think its right or it should of happened months ago, doesnt mean you are right or even wrong, its the rules and by laws
Is it wrong Ron??? to go by rules that have been clearly put out there from the beginning.
My negative self towards you, I suspect that if we change those rules and did what you are saying right here ( seat the BOD NOW), we would get crucified by you or others by not going by the rules and I really suspect you would find something else to complain about the UAMCC. Sorry thats the perception I and others get. I am pretty sure for whatever reasons for now you will always have something to complain about. Like you have said you want to start an Org , I bet if you start your org, there would be many that said things should be different.
I say you start your org, I know you only want flatworkers and as you say no house wash guys, well you start that org and I wish you luck, but the UAMCC is for ALL contractors who want to be involved, not just the elite group as you say of hand picked members you plan on
So back to the beginning we will go by the rules and bylaws and elect in October and seat them in Jan. As we should
Have a nice day
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
Everything is poor leadership. I think you show poor leadership, doesn't mean I am right
If you think every little thing is going to be perfect and completely thought out to the T, I am surprised at you, I thought you were a realist
But you throw out poor leadership every chance you get. I think you are wrong....who's right your or me? Its all how its looked at in our minds. Rome wasnt built in a day, neither was your business, the UAMCC, PWI. You want perfection good luck to you buddy. We asked for contractors to join in and help 18 months ago and few did now all you & other want to do is arm chair quarter back. You want simple answers, well you know something, theres millions of simple answers that will need to be answered, just not always enough time in the day to think them all out until the questions arise. Wasting time day in and day out answering your questions over and over, just is a waste of time and takes away from the real hand at work. Sorry just how I feel, you will never be happy with this org
The rules and time will continue to make the UAMCC a great org and moving forward
have a nice night. GO UAMCC!!!!!
pressurepros
New member
Jeff, lets go grab a beer.
What Bylaws? the old ones or the new ones. Both say you have to have BOD vote on anything, so is this legit?
You wont allow help!!!! ask Mike K, I was never intended to be in this org. he has openly told many that this was a plan from the get go. I wish someone would have told me I would have never joined.
You claim you did not know early on, you know now. You still think this is right? How would you feel if we started a national org and said Jeff cant join?
Its truly shown what type of person i guess you are.
Lou hoods&more
New member
Anyone in the uptown central Phoenix area care to deliver me some more corn nuts and a 6'r of Dos Equis 
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Clean County PW
Active member
Now thats a COOL video. This is what RT should be all about..Winning Hot water SKIDS:grin: Serously its nice to see everyone having fun and How lucky was that winner..just a few turns after Tony Szabo..Man was Tony close..Now he'll have to go out and buy one:grin:
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
It was a good show. Ron kept the excitement up and never once got into that american idol mode of postponing and postponing. He just kept giving away key after key after key.
D*mned self promoter!!!!! He made millions that day!!! :grin-devilish:
Ron needs to GO DOWN and GO DOWN NOW!!! He's ruining our industry!! :butcher::hang2:
Just kidding around. It was a blast. I can't wait for Dallas.
OPPS GOT OFF TRACK AND POSTED IN THE WRONG THREAD. Scott, just change the sig to your name. :slap: No one will ever know.:jester:
D*mned self promoter!!!!! He made millions that day!!! :grin-devilish:
Ron needs to GO DOWN and GO DOWN NOW!!! He's ruining our industry!! :butcher::hang2:
Just kidding around. It was a blast. I can't wait for Dallas.
OPPS GOT OFF TRACK AND POSTED IN THE WRONG THREAD. Scott, just change the sig to your name. :slap: No one will ever know.:jester:
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Danny Bates
New member
HA HA HA HA HA HA thats to funny !!!!
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
I suggest you take that up with Mike & Tony. I talked with Tony S & Mike K in front of the Holiday Inn and this was brought up and Mike K said in front of Tony, as a vendor (you Ron were a vendor member, NCE) as a vendor member you aren't afforded voting rights or the same as contractor members, that's just the rules so to keep the UAMCC for contractor by contractors. I think Tony understood that as far as that conversation went. There was never a master plan to keep Ron M out Never did Mike say there was a plan to keep you out, plain & simple its just not true . Mike made that clear to me in the conversation out in front of the Holiday Inn with Tony & I.
This once again is my last statement here on PWI about the UAMCC. Yes I know I have said that MANY MANY times before, I do try to stand up for the UAMCC here on PWI and it of course is a useless effort in many cases because many of the questions have been the same questions or attacks over and over, but I HAVE answered dozens, NO, HUNDREDS of yours, Tonys and many others questions and countered many of the attacks, openly & honestly, many times to no avail certain folks have predetermined thoughts and just like politics & religeon, I am not going to change certain peoples minds.
Although I am open and honest, I also fight here on PWI about the UAMCC and many other subject with some and mostly with you Ron. The fighting and insulting you & " I " do Ron, isnt professional, isnt productive and doesn't really help or get much accomplished. know you know that and I will continue to think you have other motives
But I do have to stop answering the same old questions or any questions about the UAMCC here on PWI. It is so clear to me that I do need to stop here on PWI about the UAMCC. After the the other night of you and I going back and forth, fighting, insulting each other and just answering questions on a couple threads here Ron, I had several, not one or two, but 8 contractors PM, email or call me 7 of those contractors not even UAMCC members, contractors from this PWI BB, friends of yours and mine and others I have never dealt with on the BB's and they say why do you bother here on PWI. They were just basically giving me advise, some of the same advise I have gotten before and listened to, but I still would end up coming back and getting into the middle of the fray. Their advise has been to say why do I bother, some said its just a game, some said forget this crap, some said you arent going to change certain peoples minds and ingnore them. Its unprofessional on my account when it always gets down to BS and name calling etc etc and I need to end this useless back & forth
Ron & others I hope you appreciate my stance on not talking about this anymore here on PWI, if not its cool. Sometimes you just got to know when to pack it up and move on and those calls and emails like I said made it very clear to me
Got any questions about Condos, Townhomes & apartments, I am always willing to contribute on PWI, have a great weekend, its a beautiful day here in Myrtle Beach, must of my cold is gone and I got some properties to look at
Don't forget contractors this is the Time Community Mangers are putting their HOA budgets together ...........CALL, WRITE, FAX
See ya, I got to go survey my Kingdom LOL LOL
Jeff others Heard Mike , the uamcc never wanted me in the org.
You know it, likley you found out about the time you said you would not do MB.
Jeff, its ok bro...you know the truth and still wont do the right thing.
All the accusations and attempts to hurt me...one man. Its funny how when your being accuse of something you can often just look back at where its coming from and expect those accusers of being the one doing it to you.
The LIST is long.....
Second & third partys....parinoid you say. You heard it straight from his lips.
You could end it Jeff by just admiting you heard what others heard him say. I have talked to them Jeff.
Mike K has said it to alot of folks. Its pretty common knowledge my parinoid thoughts of why dont these guys want to work together.
I wish someone would have just said this was a anti Ron Musgraves ORG.
Not a national Org at all, a Ron haters org.
I Will make sure every manufacture see this thread. I will hope they will decide whats right with there wallets.
Jeff, you crack me up, earlu on in our relations you told me I have alot of people that dont like me. You think this does anything for you knowing the truth you have been denying?
You know it, likley you found out about the time you said you would not do MB.
Jeff, its ok bro...you know the truth and still wont do the right thing.
All the accusations and attempts to hurt me...one man. Its funny how when your being accuse of something you can often just look back at where its coming from and expect those accusers of being the one doing it to you.
The LIST is long.....
Second & third partys....parinoid you say. You heard it straight from his lips.
You could end it Jeff by just admiting you heard what others heard him say. I have talked to them Jeff.
Mike K has said it to alot of folks. Its pretty common knowledge my parinoid thoughts of why dont these guys want to work together.
I wish someone would have just said this was a anti Ron Musgraves ORG.
Not a national Org at all, a Ron haters org.
I Will make sure every manufacture see this thread. I will hope they will decide whats right with there wallets.
Jeff, you crack me up, earlu on in our relations you told me I have alot of people that dont like me. You think this does anything for you knowing the truth you have been denying?
Clean County PW
Active member
Hey Ron,
As we discussed on the phone today if Mike K. ever said that the UAMCC does not want Ron in it(Even though I don't think Mike would ever say such a thing) Mike does not speak for all of us. Yes Mike Represents the UAMCC but if he was to ever say such an outlandish thing like that its on him. I never heard that, Rob Huffman never heard that..I don't think any of the UAMCC TT members ever heard that. Ken Fenner who always answers your questions here goes out of his way to explain things to you since he was an original TT member and if it was true the UAMCC never wanted you in he wouldn't be wasting so much time trying to answer so many of your questions.
So to say that no one cares about you within the UAMCC is simply false.
I'm with Jeff on this. We are answering the same questions and accusations over and over again. Its pointless now to keep discussing these things since minds that were made up about all this will just not change the way they think. SO its like beating a dead horse over and over.
The end result I think of all of this "Stuff" is hurting the industry as a whole and you me and Jeff and any others who keep going back to this are NOT doing anyone any favors. Quite Frankly I think it has turned most people off.
Lastly guys like Jeff, Myself, Carlos, Rob,Mike, Don,Ken etc are trying to make the UAMCC Convention a successful one for any and all contractors who want to attend. This constant bickering back and forth is not helping and I have to believe that is not what your intentions are about all of this because you are a fan of the Industry.
I promise if I get in as a BOD I'll try to make 2010 a better year for you and your relationship with the UAMCC. Until then all the beds have been made so lets move on and help this industry finish this year on a high note with the Conventions and up coming roundtables. 2010 when Cabin fever sets in lets try to fix what some may feel is broken.
As we discussed on the phone today if Mike K. ever said that the UAMCC does not want Ron in it(Even though I don't think Mike would ever say such a thing) Mike does not speak for all of us. Yes Mike Represents the UAMCC but if he was to ever say such an outlandish thing like that its on him. I never heard that, Rob Huffman never heard that..I don't think any of the UAMCC TT members ever heard that. Ken Fenner who always answers your questions here goes out of his way to explain things to you since he was an original TT member and if it was true the UAMCC never wanted you in he wouldn't be wasting so much time trying to answer so many of your questions.
So to say that no one cares about you within the UAMCC is simply false.
I'm with Jeff on this. We are answering the same questions and accusations over and over again. Its pointless now to keep discussing these things since minds that were made up about all this will just not change the way they think. SO its like beating a dead horse over and over.
The end result I think of all of this "Stuff" is hurting the industry as a whole and you me and Jeff and any others who keep going back to this are NOT doing anyone any favors. Quite Frankly I think it has turned most people off.
Lastly guys like Jeff, Myself, Carlos, Rob,Mike, Don,Ken etc are trying to make the UAMCC Convention a successful one for any and all contractors who want to attend. This constant bickering back and forth is not helping and I have to believe that is not what your intentions are about all of this because you are a fan of the Industry.
I promise if I get in as a BOD I'll try to make 2010 a better year for you and your relationship with the UAMCC. Until then all the beds have been made so lets move on and help this industry finish this year on a high note with the Conventions and up coming roundtables. 2010 when Cabin fever sets in lets try to fix what some may feel is broken.
John, Four people including Jeff will not deny it. It happened and people heard, I was told about by the people listening. Yes it was a conversation in front of Jeff And some others. ) the other contractors know who they are.
Why is so hard to beleive? Because its ridiculous!!!!
:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
I would like to come but I'm actually affraid I might pay and not be able to attend when I actually arrive. ( some other BS reason)
I actually just want people to knwo the truth, I hope in the future people that are actually in charge see the wrongs and make them right.
Go Future Uamcc!!!!:happydance::happydance:
I would like to come but I'm actually affraid I might pay and not be able to attend when I actually arrive. ( some other BS reason)
I actually just want people to knwo the truth, I hope in the future people that are actually in charge see the wrongs and make them right.
Go Future Uamcc!!!!:happydance::happydance: