Formal request to add 2 more categories

With all the different religions out there, I honestly don't see how it could work because of all the differences.

I am religious but not as much as a lot of people out there.

I can see sooner or later someone comparing one religion to another and then arguments break out or huge discussions that turn bad.

I have seen it happen in school, college, at work (many different jobs in the past) at facilities I have done work for (just hearing them argue about religion while they are working), etc....

I believe people have the freedom to worship as they please, some don't go to church anymore because of internal church politics (we went to several churches when I was growing up because of internal politics or power struggles over who is more important than someone else, etc...).

Maybe that is the reason that they say to not talk about religion or politics out in public or on a date or meeting people, just too many differences.

I don't think it would be a good idea because I would hate to see more arguing and fighting, I have seen it a lot in person at work places so I am sure it will happen here also.
 
I will say what I was not going to say earlier ..... There are boards for discussion on your own personal beliefs, heck there are boards for everything there is almost.

This is a pressure washing contractor board, lets leave it at that and do like I do, if I am looking for an answer or support concerning my trucks I go to a Power Stroke Forum, if Stacie has a need or a question concerning her candles she goes to a candle forum board.

That being said Ron, Grant, Scott and myself have always said that it would not be permitted here and as far as I know that will stand, I appreciate what your intentions are but I dont feel it will end positively here.
 
I will say what I was not going to say earlier ..... There are boards for discussion on your own personal beliefs, heck there are boards for everything there is almost.

This is a pressure washing contractor board, lets leave it at that and do like I do, if I am looking for an answer or support concerning my trucks I go to a Power Stroke Forum, if Stacie has a need or a question concerning her candles she goes to a candle forum board.

That being said Ron, Grant, Scott and myself have always said that it would not be permitted here and as far as I know that will stand, I appreciate what your intentions are but I dont feel it will end positively here.
I respect everyone views as well,
For me I try not to separate God from my business, usually when I take God out of the equation,and I am out of his will and I end up making the wrong decisions.

I know it is a uphill battle and its going to take someone else besides me to believe that this will do more good than harm.
I am ok and respect the decision of Grant, Scott, Ron and Russ. (or whoever make decisions, not sure who)

thanks Russ for the respect you have always gave me and you have mine!
 
Al there are guys on here that will argue about what day of the week it is.

Why not find a find a forum with a common interest in your religion and invite PWI members to join?
 
Al there are guys on here that will argue about what day of the week it is.

Why not find a find a forum with a common interest in your religion and invite PWI members to join?
Please stop being the voice of reasoning! It's so unbecoming of a PWI member. :sarcastic:
 
How to Respond When Someone Insults Your Convictions

It can be hard to know what to do when someone makes a thoughtless remark that is insulting to your convictions, values or beliefs. It's even harder when that person wasn't thoughtless at all, but made a pointed effort to be insulting. Fortunately, that's rare - most often, insults like these are the result of ignorance. Knowing how to respond appropriately can make all the difference between managing a potential conflict or fanning the flames; this article provides you with the tools for responding effectively.
1. Don't react immediately. Take a moment to gather your thoughts before saying or doing anything, no matter how much the comment may have stung. If you know you have a bad temper, or are prone to angry outbursts, read How to Get Rid of Anger.
2. Speak up for your convictions, but do it in a calm, rational manner. You don't have to lower yourself to the level of the ignorant, but if, for good reason, you don't want to let the comment pass without answering it, even if it wasn't directed at you, then you do want to make sure any response is not seen as a fanatical, knee-jerk reaction. As a matter of fact, it's best not to react, but instead, respond.
3. Give the person the benefit of the doubt. If there is any doubt, that is. In other words, if the remark was offhanded, and particularly if it came from someone you hardly know, there's a good chance that person has no idea the remark might offend you. Rather than assuming that the statement was intended to be insulting, give the benefit of the doubt, and allow for some ignorance on the part of the speaker.
o See also How to Stop Taking Things Personally.
4. Ask a question rather than making a statement. If the remark was something to the effect of, "What kind of idiot do you have to be to vote for him?" (and you are exactly that kind of idiot, because you do plan to vote for him), try responding with, "What would make you say that? What is it about him that you disagree with so strongly?" Find out. Maybe the person has some personal vendetta - some personal reason that made him speak out so strongly. If that's the case, there's very little you can do other than follow the next step:
5. Play Devil's Advocate. Rather than engaging in one-to-one personal combat, instead take the more diplomatic tack of just assuming a contrary position, for the sake of discussion: Say, "Yeah, there are a lot of people who feel like you do - but the people on the other side would say that a vote for this man is a vote for smaller government, a better school system, etc., etc." In this way, you are making the argument a bit more general, and therefore a lot less personal - you're saying, "There are those who would see it this way...", you're not saying, "Hey, jerkweed, I'm that kind of 'idiot.' Now shut your fat mouth before I shut it for you." You can see the difference.
6. Try to be as diplomatic as possible if you feel the need to reveal your position. Rather than being inflammatory and picking a fight, like in the previous example, identify yourself with tact and generosity for the other person's point of view - even though that person didn't really accord you the same courtesy. There are times when it makes sense to step up and reveal your secret identity. For example, someone who goes on and on about how religion is the cause for every ill in the world, while you are a devoted Christian. Getting up in that person's face will do little to further your cause. Try this:
o Him: "More people have been killed in the name of irrational beliefs like religion than any other cause. The harm ideas like religion have caused is unforgivable."
o You: "Wait a second. That's not right."
o Him: "Yes it is. If we didn't have religion, we wouldn't have half the problems in this world that we have."
o You: "I respectfully disagree. I'm a Christian, and I hear this a lot. The truth is, yes, there have been some so-called holy wars. I don't agree with that, and I didn't agree with the Crusades, either. Nobody should get killed or shunned because they do or don't want to join a particular religion. But the reality is that all the people killed in the Inquisition and the Crusades and all the other holy wars don't even come close to the people killed by Hitler - 6 million + - that wasn't in the name of God, it was in the name of "protecting his master race". Or what about Stalin's 20 million? He killed simply because the more terror he could engender in the survivors, the easier they were to control. And what about Mao, Pol Pot, and others? Their tens of millions dwarf those killed in the "name of God." So while I don't argue about the Crusaders or the Holy War fanatics killing people, I think you're mistaken here."
o Him: "Your points only serve to prove my argument. Though Hitler and Stalin weren't religious, they followed strongly irrational beliefs, which are the underlying issue that makes religion harmful."
o You: "I never thought of that before. I understand where you are coming from. There are all kinds of crazy people, of all persuasions. Some people kill saying it's in the name of God, but I really don't think God has anything to do with what those people are doing. You may not agree with religion in general, and I'm not asking you to. But I am asking you to realize that not all Christians are crazy fanatics. Can we agree to disagree?" (hold your hand out and offer to shake hands and agree to disagree, if nothing else.)
7. Tell that person you feel insulted. If you still haven't made your point, let the other person know that, while s/he is entitled to his/her opinion, likewise, so are you. Let him/her know that those remarks are hurtful to you, and ask that s/he tone it down, if for no other sake than courtesy to another person, on a humanitarian level. Learn how to express yourself with nonviolent communication.
8. Take the high road. No matter what the response is from that person who's going off on you, you must maintain your cool. In the end, if you are kindly and gentle in your response to that person, s/he is the one who will end up looking bad to the other people present. No matter what kind of person you're dealing with, the only thing you need to worry about is what kind of person you are.

Tips
• It will be far better to be winsome and appealing in these situations, even if the person making the insulting comments is doing it deliberately. All those watching will certainly view you as more polite and respectful than your adversary is, and this is going to make them view you much more favorably than the other person. That goes a long way toward making your point.
• Keep an open mind. If the other person appears to be making a logical argument, they may also have information about the issue that you were unaware of. Be prepared to listen and concede points if you are wrong.
• Agree to disagree.
• Don't assume just because someone offends you that they are thoughtless. Sometimes we are over sensitive to things people say. It's just important that we understand that people don't have to share our feelings to be friends.
 
Al there are guys on here that will argue about what day of the week it is.

Why not find a find a forum with a common interest in your religion and invite PWI members to join?


+10 That is really a great idea Rick!

If someone out there finds a good place let me know as I am working on being a better person and that is a great way!
 
This is off topic, but thought I would share it....
I just came in from the woods hunting from a ground blind tonight,
and a bird came and perch on me as I sat there motionless.
It sure make you feel good go out and see nature at its best.

I am going to take Grants advice before I respond.

Its good see ya Al
 
It would not concern me if there was a place on the forum for it. But, That is not why I read this forum and I would not go there for my spritual needs. I have a time for that and I believe that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. I come here to learn from others and share my failures and success in the business world.
 
Al,
I am much the same as you. I try to have the same standards in my business that I have in all other aspects of my life. But, as I have said before, there is too much chance of people that have no respect for anothers religion to abuse a forum such as this. I don't want to be the one that moderates it, because the moderator is put in a no win situation because no matter what, if he deletes, or moves a post, he will be viewed as siding with one person, or another. On top of that, I belong to a church that many feel free to attack, I know how I feel when someone attacks me for my beliefs, tries to tell me that I don't know what my church believes in, because their pastor told them different, and that I am going to hell. It has happened to me on this board. I don't want to be in that position, but, more importantly, I don't want anyone else to be in that position.
 
I like discussing bible topics. Every time I open it I find something new. Just the other day I was reading Josephus (not in the bible, but a jewish historian) to get some ideas of what the Pharisees during Jesus' time believed and I found out that the tower of Babel wasn't initially being built to "reach God" in the sky, but was built by Nimrod to exceed the height of the flood waters that his grandfather Noah had escaped from. This way, even if God decided to send another flood, he would be powerless to destroy those at the top of the tower. That makes a lot more sense than trying to build a tower to reach heaven. Anyway, I like studying and learning old stuff from a new perspective.
 
Al,
I am much the same as you. I try to have the same standards in my business that I have in all other aspects of my life. But, as I have said before, there is too much chance of people that have no respect for anothers religion to abuse a forum such as this. I don't want to be the one that moderates it, because the moderator is put in a no win situation because no matter what, if he deletes, or moves a post, he will be viewed as siding with one person, or another. On top of that, I belong to a church that many feel free to attack, I know how I feel when someone attacks me for my beliefs, tries to tell me that I don't know what my church believes in, because their pastor told them different, and that I am going to hell. It has happened to me on this board. I don't want to be in that position, but, more importantly, I don't want anyone else to be in that position.

Thanks for posting Scott,.
I see your point
I am not real fond of The terms "Religion or Religious denomination IMO that is one of the biggest thing that divides Christianity.
I understand your position
Maybe one day we can make it a win-win sitiutation
 
Al there are guys on here that will argue about what day of the week it is.

Why not find a find a forum with a common interest in your religion and invite PWI members to join?
No matter where you go, they are always going to be them that will argue about what day it is...so I may as just deal with it here since my foot is in the door.


secondly
That would defeat the purpose of Why I posted this in the' Ideas to help improve PWI.
I personally think it would be good for PWI and its members if there was a place not to worship but an area where you could post something spritital without having to worry about being attacked or being made fun of.
 
+10 That is really a great idea Rick!

If someone out there finds a good place let me know as I am working on being a better person and that is a great way!

Thats good Christopher,
Can you be a little more specific on what you mean
about your statement ......
If you are talking spiritual growth, The best place might not be in any forum
The Best place is Reading the Word, that is the one thing that is True and will definitely help anyone to become a better person.
 
I was thinking that there might be a good bbs out there.

Tony recommended a good version of the good book for me to get that is easy to read so I will start there.
 
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