Would you like to see Ron start an Org

jlpressure said:
The problem is they need money to run and keep going, 10's of thousands of dollars or a couple hundred thousand possibly to hit the road running

The reason I say Ron first of all I think he's very capable when he puts his mind to it, plus he has the guts to work through the BS and keep moving forward. The other two orgs, you think something good is going to happen then bang something always comes up to make contractors run away from them. I've talked to Ron on this, he knows much of what it takes.

Take back the Orgs, One I dont think they will release the other you can't get participation

I know an Org is needed I have several reason I say that and it would be good for our industry and could be built and off and running in 2-4 years if done right
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And besides.....while it's possible to make a car into a truck, it would be easier to just get a truck.

Ron asked me that exact question on the phone and I answered that even if the membership did storm the gates and pulled off a coup of one of the Org's, you still have the baggage and trust issues that come with it. Start new....set it up "by & for contractors.

How not to start a "by & for" contractor Org
 
Should an org be for profit. Would you mind some one or a company making money or a percentage of the profits. I feel the best way to get a org going and stay going is to have motivated people but also people who are making money. Working for love of your industry only can last so long. Orgs hire ED and management companies and managers all the time. Give a percentage and that person or group or company will work harder. Just like commission, many here pay commission with rules it motivates the person to make more money for themselves and you or the org too. I talked to Ron about this and others. Working you ass off for free is a lot to ask anyone for any period of time.
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Scott Stone said:
I merged the two threads. Being the ruler of all, I can do that...

As for the ORG. I don't want Ron to start an ORG. If he does, I am certain that he will harass me (In a nice way...) and harangue me (in a nice way...) to help him until I give in. Since my plan only includes about 6 more years, I have other things I want to focus on.
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Scott that aside do you think Ron could put together an Org that would work and be good for its members and the industry????
 
Tony Shelton said:
That aint right man, Ron in a yorg? No way!

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Hey Tony, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think Ron starting a new Org would work. I don't have a lot of faith in any other way. Just want to get your take on it.
 
Jeff, I'm torn on this. There are a lot of great guys involved in the UA#cc now. I hate to see that derailed.

But the fact is, Ron can do more than the both other orgs combined. And Ron starting an org will leave both the others in shambles financially when the members Ron provided for them leave like a school of fish running from sharks.

Here's what I think. And I'm sure lots of guys won't like it, but I tell it like it is and you guys can let me have it all you want:

I believe there is a place for Ron. That place is leadership. All the other "leaders" of both orgs can protest all they want, but NONE of them have shown leadership like Ron has. The former UA#CC leadership ran and hid whenever trouble came and the P@NA leadership tried to take Ron on and ended up doing things that were less than professional and ended up looking like fools. The current UA@cc leadership is doing a great job (of holding steady) but no one is stepping out and providing leadership in any defined direction.

I know I said to give them some time and I still believe given time, the UA#cc can become something great. But it looks like the guys on the BBS's want something now. And if that is the case, the Ron is the only answer.

I also believe that Ron is the only option that will allow for MANY to serve at their highest potential. For example, I believe there is a place for John Tornebene. It may not be editing press releases, but it may be dealing with morale.

I believe there is a place for Carlos Gonzales. It may not be treasurer, but it may be in a capacity of providing motivation and a positive vibe for the org.

I believe there is a place for me. It might not be dealing directly with municipalities (because, as you said, I "don't have the temperament" for it. But it may be researching the law and the net for ammunition against false charges levied against our industry.

I believe there is a place for Ken Fenner, Jeff Lecours, Robert and Michael Hinderliter, Celeste and the BOD of the Pwn@. But the way the orgs are structured NONE of these guys including myself can serve to their full potential because it's too easy to quit.

Ron is a motivator, (and frankly is overbearing enough) and will lot allow dead weight to drag down the industry. I've seen it in the RT's and I've seen it in the inner workings of his business.

I believe that a Ronorg would work.

But I'm not happy about it. I wish the UA#cc would work.

There's my answer Jeff.
 
I've had the pleasure of meeting Ron only once in Tampa, but have spoken to him on other occasions. He's always struck me as a man of his word and a Man of action. I appreciate all that he offers and is willing to give back to others in this field.

I have just a small company in it's second full year of existence. The problem I see with most of these orgs, websites, and forums is the constant pissing and moaning. Seriously a lot of these guys act like the hens in my wife's card group...cluck, peck, squawk! That's one of the main reasons I've not gotten active with any organization. Don't want to waste the rare relaxation/education time I have hearing men try and start fights with each other.

If Ron could start a org like that, I'd be happy to be a charter member!!!
 
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Tony Shelton said:
Jeff, I'm torn on this. There are a lot of great guys involved in the UA#cc now. I hate to see that derailed.

But the fact is, Ron can do more than the both other orgs combined. And Ron starting an org will leave both the others in shambles financially when the members Ron provided for them leave like a school of fish running from sharks.

Here's what I think. And I'm sure lots of guys won't like it, but I tell it like it is and you guys can let me have it all you want:

I believe there is a place for Ron. That place is leadership. All the other "leaders" of both orgs can protest all they want, but NONE of them have shown leadership like Ron has. The former UA#CC leadership ran and hid whenever trouble came and the P@NA leadership tried to take Ron on and ended up doing things that were less than professional and ended up looking like fools. The current UA@cc leadership is doing a great job (of holding steady) but no one is stepping out and providing leadership in any defined direction.

I know I said to give them some time and I still believe given time, the UA#cc can become something great. But it looks like the guys on the BBS's want something now. And if that is the case, the Ron is the only answer.

I also believe that Ron is the only option that will allow for MANY to serve at their highest potential. For example, I believe there is a place for John Tornebene. It may not be editing press releases, but it may be dealing with morale.

I believe there is a place for Carlos Gonzales. It may not be treasurer, but it may be in a capacity of providing motivation and a positive vibe for the org.

I believe there is a place for me. It might not be dealing directly with municipalities (because, as you said, I "don't have the temperament" for it. But it may be researching the law and the net for ammunition against false charges levied against our industry.

I believe there is a place for Ken Fenner, Jeff Lecours, Robert and Michael Hinderliter, Celeste and the BOD of the Pwn@. But the way the orgs are structured NONE of these guys including myself can serve to their full potential because it's too easy to quit.

Ron is a motivator, (and frankly is overbearing enough) and will lot allow dead weight to drag down the industry. I've seen it in the RT's and I've seen it in the inner workings of his business.

I believe that a Ronorg would work.

But I'm not happy about it. I wish the UA#cc would work.

There's my answer Jeff.
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Thanks for the answer Tony. I also would like to have the UAMCC work, heck I spent two years trying to help. But you say there are many great guys involved. Tony there a few great guys involved, what 4. Its not enough and when asked for volunteers it goes fairly silent. Guy B, Celeste and some others will help, but do any of us have the real time to contribute what it takes without a driving force to help guide the way. I also think come election fewer will come forward. You can't just wish it works, it has to happen and I don't think it can. Bums me out and pisses me off that I can't see it, it has potential, just not support.

As for the PWNA, I don't trust them and haven't for about 4 years. I feel its run by few to help a few

I also think there is a position for Ron and leadership is the only peg he could or would fit into. Ron is brash, hard to take at times but yes he has proven himself over & over. You know, I want a sledge hammer at the top, its what its going to take to take on such a huge venture. I don't think people really realize whats involved. When I was helping with the UAMCC we got little things accomplished, hey they may not of all worked and all fell aprt in time, but just those little things took a HUGE amount of time. Things like this need GOOD management

Any org needs at least one driving force to get more people to be driving forces also. Ron is a motivator and someone smart and the only one in this industry that I know of that has what it takes to take this on. There may be others but they haven't shown themselves and they haven't done what Ron has done. Ron I think, I know would hire others to help take this on

I am not out here to be a cheerleader for Ron or the Ron Musgraves org. I am just thinking what will work. I do feel we need an org like most any other construction trade.

Thanks ADD Tony to the growing list of people who think Ron should start an org for PWing contractors.


It would be interesting watching you deal with municipalities directly. Thats a Reality show in the making LOL

You're a smart guy Tony you would be an asset for sure.
 
I feel bad that there is no place for me...

In answer to Jeff's question, yes, I feel Ron could establish an org, and be successful. The reason that he would be successful, is because he keeps at it, and wears people down until they give in. He is often correct in what he does, but I will freely admit that he is more then a bit of an over bearing person. Actually, I could say he is loud, fat obnoxious and overbearing. The biggest secret is though, that he cares about the industry, and making more people successful and has the vision and desire to make it happen.
 
So why start an org? Ron gets these things done by himself now. If there only 4people that do any thing now at the uamcc, and only a few at pwna, how is one man going to start and run an org effectively? Sure a couple of guys will help for a while, but how long will that last? Pretty soon those who help will get tired of the over bearing pressure from the top, not to mention the pissing and moaning from the bottom about every decision.
I believe what Ron does now works for the industry. Why mess with a good thing?
The existing org's have to work or they'll die out.
Minus 1 got this idea.
 
jlpressure said:
Should an org be for profit. Would you mind some one or a company making money or a percentage of the profits. I feel the best way to get a org going and stay going is to have motivated people but also people who are making money. Working for love of your industry only can last so long. Orgs hire ED and management companies and managers all the time. Give a percentage and that person or group or company will work harder. Just like commission, many here pay commission with rules it motivates the person to make more money for themselves and you or the org too. I talked to Ron about this and others. Working you ass off for free is a lot to ask anyone for any period of time.
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Employees of non profits get paid....some make big bucks. Non profits can also make a profit......
The difference is where the profits go.....and that a non profit cannot be sold.

IMHO....it is critical that it be non profit so years of hard work and investment of time and money doesn't end up right where we are now.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Jeff, I'm torn on this. There are a lot of great guys involved in the UA#cc now. I hate to see that derailed.

But the fact is, Ron can do more than the both other orgs combined. And Ron starting an org will leave both the others in shambles financially when the members Ron provided for them leave like a school of fish running from sharks.

Here's what I think. And I'm sure lots of guys won't like it, but I tell it like it is and you guys can let me have it all you want:

I believe there is a place for Ron. That place is leadership. All the other "leaders" of both orgs can protest all they want, but NONE of them have shown leadership like Ron has. The former UA#CC leadership ran and hid whenever trouble came and the P@NA leadership tried to take Ron on and ended up doing things that were less than professional and ended up looking like fools. The current UA@cc leadership is doing a great job (of holding steady) but no one is stepping out and providing leadership in any defined direction.

I know I said to give them some time and I still believe given time, the UA#cc can become something great. But it looks like the guys on the BBS's want something now. And if that is the case, the Ron is the only answer.

I also believe that Ron is the only option that will allow for MANY to serve at their highest potential. For example, I believe there is a place for John Tornebene. It may not be editing press releases, but it may be dealing with morale.

I believe there is a place for Carlos Gonzales. It may not be treasurer, but it may be in a capacity of providing motivation and a positive vibe for the org.

I believe there is a place for me. It might not be dealing directly with municipalities (because, as you said, I "don't have the temperament" for it. But it may be researching the law and the net for ammunition against false charges levied against our industry.

I believe there is a place for Ken Fenner, Jeff Lecours, Robert and Michael Hinderliter, Celeste and the BOD of the Pwn@. But the way the orgs are structured NONE of these guys including myself can serve to their full potential because it's too easy to quit.

Ron is a motivator, (and frankly is overbearing enough) and will lot allow dead weight to drag down the industry. I've seen it in the RT's and I've seen it in the inner workings of his business.

I believe that a Ronorg would work.

But I'm not happy about it. I wish the UA#cc would work.

There's my answer Jeff.
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I agree with most of your post except the part about there being a place for vendors, or where that place is. Yes, a place like...they can become associate members and reap the benefits that the org offers them. Nothing says they cannot advise. If there is a new Org created, how about this time it be created owned, run and managed by member contractors.
 
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
Ron, I have a logo and name in place... And some good ideas... Lets meet up and talk biz. :grin:
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That's the post i was waiting for Ty!
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AZ PowerWash Pros said:
Ron, I have a logo and name in place... And some good ideas... Lets meet up and talk biz. :grin:
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Ty not going to start a PW org. You should keep moving forward on that. The industry does need a choice. I think your young and the ideas will be fresh, this might be what the industry really needs.

If I personally do something and start and org it will not be a PW org.
This org would serve the entire cleaning industry, it would be about charity and helping the community's.

I would work with you & any others that wanted to join in on helping contractors improve together.

This org , association , foundation, network or what ever it's called will serve only based on making lives better both for there own family's and the communities they serve.

People keep talking about contractors for contractor, I get that. Contractor need customers , contractors need vendor to support them. I want to unite customers and distributors to contractors. I think that we all need each other, I believe the distancing of everyone is only slowing down the industry. It's a shame we have not advanced much over the last 20 years.

I really think if I decide to do something it will be about helping people change there's lives and businesses for the better.

I'm not interested in running any org like Uamcc or Pwna. I do not think either model will ever fully work properly. I do not wish them harm and I will still hope that one day a PW org will rise and effectively give the PW guy what he needs. That could very well be Ty.

No tradition org for my future , I will not count me out for something far greater and much better than what we have now. It will have meaning and some fundamental purpose. The benefits will be instant and no one will have to beg you to join.

Please keep posting because I like all the imput.

Jon chapman , your sorta right. This conventional type org mentality could just destroy what I'm able to achieve right now. Most are not even aware of what I do. I think you have seen it because you started this in 2008 in Florida and seen how far we have come.

Keep ideas and support coming guys. It helps motivate to move forward it really does.


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A National org without a solid local support structure will eventually fall to the ground because there has never been a FOUNDATION to support it. Start local and build up. Just my $10,537.92 worth.
 
CarolinaProWash said:
A National org without a solid local support structure will eventually fall to the ground because there has never been a FOUNDATION to support it. Start local and build up. Just my $10,537.92 worth.
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I agree with some of that Celeste for sure, my group like always would work with local networks like PWNC if your willing to embrace us. Of course if and when I ever start one.


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