UAMCC will they answer the Questions??

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Danny Bates said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Ef6DwONWM
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If you look the hits from here in less than 4 minutes more than UAMCC.
 
Russ Spence said:
the last time that I called that number it was answered "Good morning UAMCC" (or something like that)

But it does make since, I remember when I was a kid I didnt want to believe that "Rock Hudson", "Gomer Pyle (Jim Neighbors)" and "Mike Brady" from the Brady bunch were gay either since I liked them so much but it was true.
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Just to set clarity on my own post, I was not accusing anyone of being gay only saying that I keep hearing what a great guy Carlos is and its not about him being a good friendly guy or not, its about right and wrong and doing the right thing for the industry.

I am not a industry leader but I am very transparent, if you wnat to know my thoughts or oponions I gladly give and dont hold back, also if you dont want the truth dont ask me, I am pretty "matter of fact" in other words I dont sugar coat a whole lot.

That being said lets all move on till whatever legal stuff happens, basically this is choaking me to death, I have all but quit answering calls and posting due to the fact I am sick to death of all the negativity thats steaming from both sides, Prokleen just had the best month ever in the almost 15 years in business! I attribute it to not paying attention to this garbage.:bash:
 
kyfireman2004 said:
Ken
Since you are the only one answering any questions .......How come the membership listing is still not public?
How come a interested client has to call or email for a contractor?
(Personally I see this as open door for favoritism)
Please don't say Web first hasn't had time to fix it....I have had 2 websites built in the past 2 months from web first. Not to mention it would only take a few hours to do it......
Being that this org is going to be ran by mobile contractors....What plan is in place to prevent the people representing the org at national trade shows (boma, Cai) from conducting shady deals for themselves? Before you say that stuff doesn't go on don't .........Reference JITB Russ Spence.....Thanks Russ for calling them out!


Financial statements........
Member list..........
private or non profit.......
National trade show........

I was accused of bashing this org..........I am really not! I just won't turn a blind eye to something that involves pressure washing contractors.

IMO We need a org. to represent us on education, benefits, guidance on the law, and buying power....When you bring in rfps and referrals you bring in the opportunity for shady dealings........
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Lou, I agree with all of your questions and a desire for answers. Unfortunately, I am not qualified to answer any of them. I'm too far removed from daily operations. I was a ditch digger for the org helping to set up a foundation upon which things could be built. My tenure expired 7 months ago. My "answers" to questions are based on solely my viewpoint.

While I still believe the core of the organization is on firm ground, I'd be kidding myself to say that the foundation does not have any cracks. That was to be expected. Go into your local law library and look at the hundreds of volumes of challenges and amendments to your local laws. The first charters and constitutions for PA were written 300 years ago and in my county courthouse alone there is 3500 s/f of shelves of precedence and statute.

The UAMCC Does React
We built things the best we could based on what was in front of us. The JITB issue was not something we could foresee. The org has since recognized that service company membership is a big hole and they closed that hole. Service companies are currently not accepted into membership. That was the responsible thing to do. They acted on behalf of the membership. If Carlos is the guy some people are accusing him of being, he would have made back door deals with TWS and kept that revenue stream alive and well. Carlos has recently said they will not even return his calls. Its not a fiasco or embarassment any more than you getting a bad check from a customer is. You would be acting in good faith and if you got burnt you would check your policies to make sure it did not happen again.

All of this calling out and posturing is over the top but ultimately it is a blessing in disguise. Better to force the org early on into getting all of its ducks lined up correctly before it becomes a business league of 2000 members. Try to keep an open mind Lou. The org is either going to help contractors or it is going to fail attempting to do so. I am here speaking my thoughts on it because I believe it can benefit my business. No, it does not speak for the entire industry but it can help all of us.. members or not.

How Can The UAMCC Benefit The Industry or Non Members?
A classic example of the UAMCC working for nonmembers is the Charlotte BMP's. I am not saying the UAMCC was solely responsible for changing things. Maybe they were or maybe they weren't. But the bottom line is that the UAMCC took an active stance and now instead of tens of thousands of dollars being spent on reclaim equipment and acquiring Hazmat licenses, PW'ing companies can operate in the city for a reasonable business expense. Is that not what an industry organization is supposed to do?

Lou, do you believe that if you, me and the next Joe Blow walked into a city council meeting demanding changes be made to a BMP that we would get anywhere? That is one reason why I desire a pressure washing organization to count on and which is why I participate in these discussions. There is power in numbers. I don't know what your favorite truck is but how cool would it be to have an org be able to negotiate discounts with major manufacturers for exclusive members only discounts.

At the end of the day we as business owners want to invest our dollars into things that pay dividends.. including organization benefits. Lou you are not bashing by asking questions. Bashing is when someone closes their mind, makes decisions based upon rhetoric and participates in unprofessional and personal vendetta. There is a clear dividing line there.
 
Lou, do you believe that if you, me and the next Joe Blow walked into a city council meeting demanding changes be made to a BMP that we would get anywhere? That is one reason why I desire a pressure washing organization to count on and which is why I participate in these discussions. There is power in numbers. I don't know what your favorite truck is but how cool would it be to have an org be able to negotiate discounts with major manufacturers for exclusive members only discounts.


Ken, Myself and three other contractors did this very thing in Wilmington, NC without the help of an unwanted union representing us. Allowing local contractors the ability to govern their own affairs is far better than unwanted/needed national representation.
 
William, let me propose this to you then as a way to further your agenda. You will convince many people that an organization is not necessary in respect to BMP's if you can present before and after documentation of your efforts. ie. Here is what Wilimington was proposing, here are the bmp's we four contractors presented and here is the final BMP the city adapted after hearing us out. I am not intentionally doubting what you say but proof would have to be offered for me to change my viewpoint on that particular subject. Even if you have all of the necessary proof, logic dictates that in looking at the way the government operates that many people have to raise the same "stink" in order to get any type of movement from elected or paid officials.
 
That is a nice spin on the Charlotte BMP's. Since I kind of know about the things that happened there, and knew what was in the planning, I also recognize the spin.
 
pressurepros said:
William, let me propose this to you then as a way to further your agenda. You will convince many people that an organization is not necessary in respect to BMP's if you can present before and after documentation of your efforts. ie. Here is what Wilimington was proposing, here are the bmp's we four contractors presented and here is the final BMP the city adapted after hearing us out. I am not intentionally doubting what you say but proof would have to be offered for me to change my viewpoint on that particular subject. Even if you have all of the necessary proof, logic dictates that in looking at the way the government operates that many people have to raise the same "stink" in order to get any type of movement from elected or paid officials.
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My providing info will not convert anyone away from the Union anymore than arguing about abortion or the death penalty. People are going to believe(blindly sometimes) whatever they want to, and I don't care. My point was that a national union is not needed to represent us, lobby for us, or dictate price structures or guidlines. You know my feelings on this. Call me if you want and I will go over details of Wilmington, but I am sure that no one here cares as I know I don't care about guidelines or rules anywhere else except for where I am working. Screw the industry, long live the independant contractors uninhibited by interference from others. Please don't think I am solely against the Union, I feel the same way about most any org that thinks it represents me in some fashion.
 
offdutyfireman said:
Screw the industry, long live the independant contractors uninhibited by interference from others. Please don't think I am solely against the Union, I feel the same way about most any org that thinks it represents me in some fashion.
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here here! :to_pick_ones_nose3:
 
David Potter said:
Straight forward and to the Point thank you Gene

http://www.uamcc.org/forum/showthread.php?p=31582#post31582
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Please copy the thread, I was wrongly accused and excuted by Carlos. I cannot view the post.


posted by GENE :Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving Week.........That being said ....Carlos you stated on monday the 23rd you should have answers on all the question by Friday or Saturday.....Its now Sunday and Im looking for a ETA when this might be completed......A lot of members are catching it from all angles......Thx Gene
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That was Fast, someone Emailed It
 
pressurepros said:
Bashing is when someone closes their mind, makes decisions based upon rhetoric and participates in unprofessional and personal vendetta. There is a clear dividing line there.
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Ken, Are my posts bashing? This is a simple yes or no question.

(in the words of Terry Miller.......Thank you.:happydance:)
 
Is this ever gonna end? Some of these posts have already been picked up by the search engines and now its even starting to spill over and pollute the Face Book water ways. I think we need to hook up a reclaim unit on all this. Does anyone else agree or is it just me?
 
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