UAMCC will they answer the Questions??

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pressurepros said:
Kory, business budgets are based upon percentage. The regions automatically get 20%. Advertising might get another 15% and so on. The more money that comes in, the more contractor members benefit. Let's say you didn't have the budget for a good commercial but you knew one would do well in your area. If your region voted on it, the org could pay for a TV commercial that you could all share. If the org had 2500 members it could negotiate with Comcast for bulk rates as a member benefit. The ED I believe is also paid as a percentage. So from a motivation standpoint, the more good he/she does for the org and the more members brought in, the salary is compensatory.

Don't quote me on the ED pay. We were discussing it just before I left and I am unsure how that turned out. It should and will be a matter of public record soon.

When you are factoring numbers also remember that the org accepts monthly payments so that somebody that joined in October may only have paid the $40 or whatever it is.

I would put half a million into your business if you had a good business idea with a solid plan. For that money I would want a return. I would not want to be a working partner nor have a say in how operations are run. That's a different scenario. There are guys utilizing the Paychex discount and are saving more than their entire membership fee. One of the things the org has to do is make the benefits clearer and easier to use.

We all pay money to lawyers and accountants to protect our interests. We all pay insurance premiums and never see a return until we need it. Wearing logo shirts doesn't mean we get jobs but there is a hope that it helps to promote our professionalism. The UAMCC or any association is similar to all the above. If a person expects to send a check and have money rolling in, they will be disappointed.

When the corporation was formed, in terms of donations is not relevant. Donations to a 501c6 are never tax deductible. You will be able to expense your UAMCC membership in 2009 (even if it was a non profit) You would 1099 the UAMCC corporation.
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Ken, what you just mentioned is the scary stuff all washers should be leery of. How would you like to be a business owner and see a commercial for a Union comprised of of your competition advertising in your backyard? You could pay a fee to be a part of it, or do like me and try to stop it before it gets to that point. I don't care at all about who is non-profit or who said what to whom. All this jabbering takes away from the true issue. If this thing is allowed to grow, it will destroy the washing trade just like the automakers union destoyed their trade. Please don't be lured into thinking that their goal is to help the industry. Many unknowing and naive members may believe they are helping, but rest assured that those that know what is going on realize the potential gain for themselves at the cost of business owners nationwide.
 
Russ Spence said:
I did a phone search for the business name Carlos has listed on the UAMCC site, funny it says:

No listings found for "newlook powerwash" within 50 miles of Fairfield CA

I just wonder where the business actually is? I did a search for just "newlook" as well!
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I found one in Ohio
 
This is what I was talking about months ago.

Why does any legitimate leader have to spend days formulating answers?

How many "contractors" that Carlos claims to be "helping" are working their a**es off this weekend (like we are) while Carlos declares "family time"?

Why can't a leader's "yes" mean "yes" and "no" mean "no"?

It is the culture of "lawyering up" on everything and having to spend days formulating a Bill Clinton type answer to any and all questions that permeates the top of the UAMCC and it stinks to high heaven.

It started off easy because it was simple to just label any and all questioners as "naysayers" and write them off as troublemakers. Everything could be denied because it was censored off the web via a call to "keep it on the phone" and when that failed questioners were banned.

But it's not so easy now that all the behind the scenes talk and collaborating is coming out to the surface.

There will be more. John and Rob are just the beginning.

And what was going on with Carlos and TWS? That had to be a huge blow to him. Imagine if your pay increases everytime a new member signs up and you pull in a national company that "suggests" UAMCC membership to all it's contractors. He must have stayed up nights counting his eggs and planning on where to spend them. Fortunately those eggs never hatched due to the vigilance of some members and others on the outside and due to Carlos' own botching of the situation by trying to involve a respected contractor who had much more integrity than he has. But even today when one of his own members posts something negative about TWS it gets pulled out of the public forum. Maybe Carlos is still holding out for that big windfall of members.

An organization is only as good as its leaders. Again - Carlos looked me right in the face and shook my hand while telling me three lies. It would have been so simple to simply tell the truth. But the lies are piled so high it must be impossible to tell the truth without the entire house of cards falling down. Please don't respond with "I don't know enough about this or that to know who is telling the truth" because I don't even care what you know. I KNOW IT and I AM SIMPLY STATING IT. Believe it or not, I don't care.

Don't forget though. Carlos could not have accomplished all this on his own. He had help. Who were those who helped him? Who is in that inside circle?

I guess only time will reveal that. (I guess Matt Johnson wasn't in that circle -Sorry Matt, maybe next time Carlos will let you play - oh yeah, welcome to Ron's world, your event brought in a lot of members, now, there is no need for you anymore.:thud:)

I had already spoken my piece on the UAMCC, but I was tired and bored tonight and just wanted to re-iterate some of what I've already said.
 
Russ Spence said:
I did a phone search for the business name Carlos has listed on the UAMCC site, funny it says:

No listings found for "newlook powerwash" within 50 miles of Fairfield CA

I just wonder where the business actually is? I did a search for just "newlook" as well!
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Nothing against your searches, but in all fairness, if he has another business and for a longer time, it could be under that businesses phone account. Then who ever answers the phone say's hi, Newlook power wash for that phone number. Just a thought.
 
pressurepros said:
Kory, business budgets are based upon percentage. The regions automatically get 20%. Advertising might get another 15% and so on. The more money that comes in, the more contractor members benefit. Let's say you didn't have the budget for a good commercial but you knew one would do well in your area. If your region voted on it, the org could pay for a TV commercial that you could all share. If the org had 2500 members it could negotiate with Comcast for bulk rates as a member benefit. The ED I believe is also paid as a percentage. So from a motivation standpoint, the more good he/she does for the org and the more members brought in, the salary is compensatory.

Don't quote me on the ED pay. We were discussing it just before I left and I am unsure how that turned out. It should and will be a matter of public record soon.

When you are factoring numbers also remember that the org accepts monthly payments so that somebody that joined in October may only have paid the $40 or whatever it is.

I would put half a million into your business if you had a good business idea with a solid plan. For that money I would want a return. I would not want to be a working partner nor have a say in how operations are run. That's a different scenario. There are guys utilizing the Paychex discount and are saving more than their entire membership fee. One of the things the org has to do is make the benefits clearer and easier to use.

We all pay money to lawyers and accountants to protect our interests. We all pay insurance premiums and never see a return until we need it. Wearing logo shirts doesn't mean we get jobs but there is a hope that it helps to promote our professionalism. The UAMCC or any association is similar to all the above. If a person expects to send a check and have money rolling in, they will be disappointed.

When the corporation was formed, in terms of donations is not relevant. Donations to a 501c6 are never tax deductible. You will be able to expense your UAMCC membership in 2009 (even if it was a non profit) You would 1099 the UAMCC corporation.
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Ken, we see eye to eye on how things should be. And I do believe Orgs can be a great benefit. However the current situation has it as one man running a org for profit selling as a not for proffit. He can take the money in and call all the shots and has been! These actions are what are being questioned.
 
welder said:
Nothing against your searches, but in all fairness, if he has another business and for a longer time, it could be under that businesses phone account. Then who ever answers the phone say's hi, Newlook power wash for that phone number. Just a thought.
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the last time that I called that number it was answered "Good morning UAMCC" (or something like that)

But it does make since, I remember when I was a kid I didnt want to believe that "Rock Hudson", "Gomer Pyle (Jim Neighbors)" and "Mike Brady" from the Brady bunch were gay either since I liked them so much but it was true.
 
Russ Spence said:
the last time that I called that number it was answered "Good morning UAMCC" (or something like that)

But it does make since, I remember when I was a kid I didnt want to believe that "Rock Hudson", "Gomer Pyle (Jim Neighbors)" and "Mike Brady" from the Brady bunch were gay either since I liked them so much but it was true.
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Well that sheds a new light onto the subject now. I also used to like those actors and could not believe that they were gay also.
 
Christopher said:
Well that sheds a new light onto the subject now. I also used to like those actors and could not believe that they were gay also.

You are not suggesting that Carlos....is..................................... are you????? That would explain a lot of things now. hahahahaha
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no but I am saying that I have heard "he is a good guy" till I want to puke:yes4:, I know a lot of good guys I would not trust with a dime much less an entire industries direction.
 
Kory said:
Ken, we see eye to eye on how things should be. And I do believe Orgs can be a great benefit. However the current situation has it as one man running a org for profit selling as a not for proffit. He can take the money in and call all the shots and has been! These actions are what are being questioned.
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I know, Kory. I want to see all these loose ends and open questions taken care of too.
 
Russ Spence said:
no but I am saying that I have heard "he is a good guy" till I want to puke:yes4:, I know a lot of good guys I would not trust with a dime much less an entire industries direction.
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Hey Russ, I am not a member, I don't know him, never met him, nor do I plan on joining the club if you will. It just occurred to me that the number situation was a possibility.
 
Russ Spence said:
the last time that I called that number it was answered "Good morning UAMCC" (or something like that)

But it does make since, I remember when I was a kid I didnt want to believe that "Rock Hudson", "Gomer Pyle (Jim Neighbors)" and "Mike Brady" from the Brady bunch were gay either since I liked them so much but it was true.
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You liked Gomer? Well Goooooooolly!
 
Ken
Since you are the only one answering any questions .......How come the membership listing is still not public?
How come a interested client has to call or email for a contractor?
(Personally I see this as open door for favoritism)
Please don't say Web first hasn't had time to fix it....I have had 2 websites built in the past 2 months from web first. Not to mention it would only take a few hours to do it......
Being that this org is going to be ran by mobile contractors....What plan is in place to prevent the people representing the org at national trade shows (boma, Cai) from conducting shady deals for themselves? Before you say that stuff doesn't go on don't .........Reference JITB Russ Spence.....Thanks Russ for calling them out!


Financial statements........
Member list..........
private or non profit.......
National trade show........

I was accused of bashing this org..........I am really not! I just won't turn a blind eye to something that involves pressure washing contractors.

IMO We need a org. to represent us on education, benefits, guidance on the law, and buying power....When you bring in rfps and referrals you bring in the opportunity for shady dealings........
 
Just in case you guys dont realize that when you act stupid it makes us all look stupid.

I'm paying around 1000 on monday for lawyer for the industry to get the real questions.

So flying monkeys gay stuff is way out of line.

If you guys have something of value to ad or you real opionions please join in.

Otherwise with comments like that you might get served by the UAMCC. My reputation was questioned many times, behind the scenes we know for certain TT members ran there mouths about me. (LIES or untruths they were told by other leaders)

I will not spread gossip nor will I allow you in this thread that you seem not too understand this is serious.

I guess Some of you dont realize what some here are making claims too. Its not a lite subject nor do your jokes make the credibility of John or myself have much value when we sidetrack on Gay stuff or any other alligations that are BS.

Second, your not just talking about Carlos in the thread. All share holders have and interest and will possibly be affected by this in the coming years.

Each and every TT member is responsible up till now for whats hapened. The website said BOD not monkeys. The representation of being BOD was present, the comsumer saw the website and did not know any different. No grown man in a court room will be able to stand before a judge and say I didnt know that said i was a BOD.

You folks should stay out of this thread unless you understand whats going on here.
 
Russ Spence said:
Honestly I wanted to not ever say anything again but all this nondisclosure on Carlos part is BS!

Dang, answer the stupid questions Carlos so everyone can move on!
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From Transparent to Non-discloser...:sarcastic:
 
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