Threats?

Tony I would love to see some proof whear these guys call ron a drug addict and alcoholic, I never see those guys post the negative crap you do, so I must be missing it.

thanks

So Dave, you asked that question after reading them calling him a drunk and talking about his "liver" today???????????

So, now that AGAIN the proof has been shown does this mean you won't be questioning my honesty in the future? Or were you just wasting my time having me go through my computer to find the screenshot? If it really makes a difference in your case please let me know.
 
Tony I would love to see some proof whear these guys call ron a drug addict and alcoholic, I never see those guys post the negative crap you do, so I must be missing it.

thanks

Nothing negative, right Dave? You are a member of this PWRA group. This was today or yesterday. They are claiming that a guy on there who is posting things against them is Ron. It even uses the same name as a friend of ours and a fellow PWI member Bryan with the same company name.

But you've never seen anything negative, right Dave?

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I personally think the X-stream guy they are claiming is really someone within their own group they put in there just to blame something on Ron. The last post on this screenshot is a clue. Ron doesn't talk like that, but that is the way a "plant" would talk about Ron and the way he conducts his business:

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Clue #2 - No one said the IP address is from AZ or CA and of course no one put up a screenshot of it, but Thad says it, so it must be true. Then the fake profile they made up calls a woman a "dumbass" and says they "can't be found". Is this anything in the 12 or so years Ron has been on the boards that he has ever said? It's preposterous.

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Then it continues with Mr. Positive - Thad

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So now that they have planted the seed of lies that Ron is posting as this "X-stream" guy, the fun begins. Very positive.

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More from Thad, Mr. Positive.

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More in the next post.
 
So then the drunk comments start coming in and more lies about Ron being this x-stream character.

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So I wanted to find out what was going on and I got this screenshot from Ron. It was a text from Thad to Ron:

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Nothing but positive, right Dave?

These are the guys some of you are sending your checks to to spend as they please.

Again, no proof of anything, but just because they say it, it must be true.

Who else wants proof? I'll take all the questions you got.
 

Are you in this Group, how would like someone making a group without YOU?


I don't understand this at all, maybe someone can explain to me why people would start a group with that name after all Ron has done for this industry?

Is it a game for some people to bash him, do they think it is funny or cool to say bad things about charities that try to help children? Why would they accuse him of being a drunk and hooked on drugs?

Why would some people out there do this and say these things?
 

This is where they Said thing about My charities and how we took the money raised for dying child and used it for drugs.

Again, why would people say things like that about charities that try to help children?

Why would they accuse Ron of these kind of things?

I don't understand why they would do this?
 
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Are you threatening me?

Once again there are rumors and lies going around that Ron "threatened" someone.

In North Carolina, Ron, in an effort to help contractors, told a regulator that the direction he was going was wrong and if he continued Ron would go to the press. - Ron was accused of "threatening" the official by some within our own industry.

When there was an issue about whether the UAMCC should get involved with a questionable national service company came up, Ron commenced to show how easy it was for a company like that to come from the outside and build a relationship with our customers by property managers in South Carolina and asked them one simple thing...."Are you satisfied with your current cleaning company". For that some said Ron threatened a contractor there.

For the life of me I can't understand how any man who doesn't wear panties could ever even think these were "threats".

Since then -

Here's the latest one, Chris Lambrides is now claiming Ron somehow threatened his wife. He also claimed the Tony E. stole from a warehouse that Tony had never been to.

None of the claims have ever been backed up with any type of proof or evidence. Because there is none.

Yet on the word of guys like Chris, some contractors will buy this lie hook, line and sinker.

Is there anyone who could produce evidence of any threats??????
 
Again, just so everybody knows...most of these guys hardly know Ron or even me outside these boards or the roundtables.

Ron rarely even drinks alcohol. We just drove from Vegas to Seattle and back staying in hotels all the way. If memory serves me right we only had a couple of drinks at a bar one night. We might have had a drink at one of the places we ate too in Seattle but that would have just been a drink at a meal.

Out of curiosity, because Ron is phenomenonal with the energy he has I looked at the time it takes him to fall asleep. One night he was out within two minutes. He works til he's done then he is OUT. Usually in less then five minutes.

But then he is up way before dawn. He is usually up and about having coffee and sitting in the lobby on his phone before 5am.

In all our time together he has never used any kind of stimulant other than coffee.

He spends hours each day and night fielding calls from contractors.

As a matter of fact I don't recall ever seeing Ron drunk outside of a roundtable atmosphere. He can't drink. He has too many people counting on him.

Back when I met Ron in 2008 he drank more at roundtables than he does now. He likes to be sociable and hang out with contractors. I have seen him pay bar tabs for contractors of more than $1000 on numerous occasions. I guess those guys think its OK for them to drink on his dime, but not OK for him to do so.

I don't recall ever seeing Ron have more than one drink at a sitting in all of the hundred or more days I have spent in phoenix. I have never seen a single bottle of alcohol in any of his houses.

If drinking at a roundtable is supposed to give anyone an indication of who a person is, the I must be raging alcoholic because I got plastered at Myrtle Beach after the stress of dealing with the old UAMCC issues that were going on then.

Shelly too because she got 3 sheets to the wind after that stingray stung her in Tampa and the guy helping her and the cop that showed up told her to take some shots for the pain because she didn't have anything else to stop it!!!

These scum mention prostitutes too. I have only seen Ron in the presence of prostitutes once. At a bar with me and Jim Gamble. (Guess who picked up the tab). Ron was friendly with them and bought them some drinks but that was it.

I don't care what he has done at roundtables. When you've got a bunch of freeloaders like Chris or Thad or Jim hanging all over encouraging outrageous behaviour just so they can have something to talk about Ron later I am glad they only know him from roundtables. That means they will always underestimate him and never know the real man behind the pocketbook that feeds them and buys them drinks.

I am glad I know the man, the real Ron. The one they are so afraid might exist.

The one who runs circles around them and does all the things they wish they could accomplish.

The one who tells a contractor how to close a deal on his cell phone while driving his three little girls to the park.

The one who will take a whole day off to take my kids to the theme park to let Shelly and me have time alone.

The one who will get up in in instant and fly to Houston to help a contractor he doesn't even know just because he asked.

The one who will be at events for weeks at a time, but fly into Vegas for a night just to say hello before flying home.

These punks don't know Ron. They don't know me. They know a Ron they have made up in their heads so they can go home and look in the mirror and convince themselves that there is somebody out there more pathetic than they are.

The simple fact is. There is no such Ron.

And they are pathetic and no amount of projection on their part will change that.

Integrity and honesty is the only thing that could make a difference in their lives and it is out of their grasp.

The worst ones are the ones who turn on him after he quits paying for their meals and hotel rooms after months of freeloading.

Or the ones who turn on him after he turns them down on a loan to start up a for profit org.

Or the ones who learn what they can from him then go out and offer themselves as "experts" using what he taught them.

There are a lot of pathetic people out there. Its up to you guys to decipher the difference.


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So Dave, you asked that question after reading them calling him a drunk and talking about his "liver" today???????????

So, now that AGAIN the proof has been shown does this mean you won't be questioning my honesty in the future? Or were you just wasting my time having me go through my computer to find the screenshot? If it really makes a difference in your case please let me know.

Tony I only asked because you said to ask!!! I think both groups offer great benefits to contractors around the country!!! I also think their is a lot of child's play bullshit that needs to stop, and the sooner the high road is taken the better for all, and I would like to see both groups burry the hatchet and even work together to help the industry, until then I will ignore the Childs play to the best of my ability ( I am a sucker for drama sometimes) and focus on all the positives that everyone offers.
 
Again, just so everybody knows...most of these guys hardly know Ron or even me outside these boards or the roundtables.

Ron rarely even drinks alcohol. We just drove from Vegas to Seattle and back staying in hotels all the way. If memory serves me right we only had a couple of drinks at a bar one night. We might have had a drink at one of the places we ate too in Seattle but that would have just been a drink at a meal.

Out of curiosity, because Ron is phenomenonal with the energy he has I looked at the time it takes him to fall asleep. One night he was out within two minutes. He works til he's done then he is OUT. Usually in less then five minutes.

But then he is up way before dawn. He is usually up and about having coffee and sitting in the lobby on his phone before 5am.

In all our time together he has never used any kind of stimulant other than coffee.

He spends hours each day and night fielding calls from contractors.

As a matter of fact I don't recall ever seeing Ron drunk outside of a roundtable atmosphere. He can't drink. He has too many people counting on him.

Back when I met Ron in 2008 he drank more at roundtables than he does now. He likes to be sociable and hang out with contractors. I have seen him pay bar tabs for contractors of more than $1000 on numerous occasions. I guess those guys think its OK for them to drink on his dime, but not OK for him to do so.

I don't recall ever seeing Ron have more than one drink at a sitting in all of the hundred or more days I have spent in phoenix. I have never seen a single bottle of alcohol in any of his houses.

If drinking at a roundtable is supposed to give anyone an indication of who a person is, the I must be raging alcoholic because I got plastered at Myrtle Beach after the stress of dealing with the old UAMCC issues that were going on then.

Shelly too because she got 3 sheets to the wind after that stingray stung her in Tampa and the guy helping her and the cop that showed up told her to take some shots for the pain because she didn't have anything else to stop it!!!

These scum mention prostitutes too. I have only seen Ron in the presence of prostitutes once. At a bar with me and Jim Gamble. (Guess who picked up the tab). Ron was friendly with them and bought them some drinks but that was it.

I don't care what he has done at roundtables. When you've got a bunch of freeloaders like Chris or Thad or Jim hanging all over encouraging outrageous behaviour just so they can have something to talk about Ron later I am glad they only know him from roundtables. That means they will always underestimate him and never know the real man behind the pocketbook that feeds them and buys them drinks.

I am glad I know the man, the real Ron. The one they are so afraid might exist.

The one who runs circles around them and does all the things they wish they could accomplish.

The one who tells a contractor how to close a deal on his cell phone while driving his three little girls to the park.

The one who will take a whole day off to take my kids to the theme park to let Shelly and me have time alone.

The one who will get up in in instant and fly to Houston to help a contractor he doesn't even know just because he asked.

The one who will be at events for weeks at a time, but fly into Vegas for a night just to say hello before flying home.

These punks don't know Ron. They don't know me. They know a Ron they have made up in their heads so they can go home and look in the mirror and convince themselves that there is somebody out there more pathetic than they are.

The simple fact is. There is no such Ron.

And they are pathetic and no amount of projection on their part will change that.

Integrity and honesty is the only thing that could make a difference in their lives and it is out of their grasp.

The worst ones are the ones who turn on him after he quits paying for their meals and hotel rooms after months of freeloading.

Or the ones who turn on him after he turns them down on a loan to start up a for profit org.

Or the ones who learn what they can from him then go out and offer themselves as "experts" using what he taught them.

There are a lot of pathetic people out there. Its up to you guys to decipher the difference.


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I agree with you 100% on every single point Tony...I have known Ron since about 2008 when he made his first trip to Houston here after I asked for his help.

I too have traveled with him many times to training events, round tables etc.

Have been in constant communication with him on almost a daily basis since 2008 either by text messages or phone conversations. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER have I ever witnessed the actions some of these people accuse him of, or anything even remotely close to it that would even cause me to think, hmmmm.

What I have heard is some of these people say to me, " I just don't like him" or "he just rubs me the wrong way" or "or I read where this guy said this or that guy said that" or "all he ever does is spam", - and that's a funny one because all he ever does is promote someone else's event or business.

So I then ask, well have you ever spent any time with him either in person or on the phone?? And the answer is always, NO, but I have had a few guys call me and warn me about him. Which by the way happened to me back in 2008, right before he came here to Houston, a guy by the name of Jim Cooney called me to "warn" me about Ron, told me to stay away from him. Said everyone he knows that has known Ron, the relationship never lasted more than a year and it ended badly" Then when Ron get's here and I ask Ron, "do you know this Jim guy", and all Ron says is, "I know of him, never met him, he's a new guy starting out in my area I think"

All I would say is if anyone has any question about Ron, or something you see out there you don't understand, just pick up the phone and call him. But be prepared, cause he will be nothing but honest with you, brutally honest.
 
Great post Tony!

I have been to a lot of events in many parts of the country but like you mention, it is true how people will turn their backs on Ron once the tab is paid, once they have learned what they needed to know or wanted to learn or got the help they needed.

Ron is one of the smartest guys I have met out there and does not need anyone to fight his battles for him as he has told me on a couple occasions.

Since there are people out there that want to call me names now after trying to help a new guy, which I still cannot believe, I re-read it again and yes, this new guy is calling me names, I figure I will be the guy to say this as nobody out there has said it from what I have seen so far, if it is out there then I did not see it or I forgot I saw it.

How many people out there have been people that Ron has helped, has got to know Ron, has seen him help people or other similar scenarios but have not said one word in Ron's defence? How many out there have had their businesses changed for the better, some way better and others a little bit better but have not said one word in defence of Ron?

Sure makes you think how many out there he has helped but they will not lift a finger to type some words in his defence or go to his side in some of these debates or arguments.

I don't think that Ron, Tony, Doug or many others of Ron's friends wanted to say this but I felt it needed to be said because it is really sad that he has helped so many people out there and when the people start the drama, start bashing threads on other sites or participate in them, will not go to his defence whatsoever, sure makes you think what kind of people they are.

I apologize to Ron if he does not want me saying this but I felt I needed to say this.

If he wants me to remove it, I will remove it as I am sure he does not want to upset anyone but in life, sometimes the truth hurts people, especially when he has done so much for so many and so little will help him on these forums.
 
I think everyone should be afraid of Ron...or not. He has told me how to clean a restaurant that he lost to a janitorial company that was subbing to me, even had his guys who showed up take the time to walk me hero ugh he job. He has offered to lone me a truck and trailer, after I had an accident. He has discussed. Pricing with me, and told me what the going rate was in a new area I am not familiar with. He has even given me leads for former customers of his. He has even loaned and borrowed pumps and parts from me when he wa out of stock. i ont knowhow many times i have made a call inthe middle of the night to see if Ron had a part that I needed right away. he has never turned me down a single time, if he had the part,and he has had it nearly every single time. Curious behavior for someone that is evil and wants to totally dominate a market, with someone that lives just a few miles from him.
 
Tony I only asked because you said to ask!!! I think both groups offer great benefits to contractors around the country!!! I also think their is a lot of child's play bullshit that needs to stop, and the sooner the high road is taken the better for all, and I would like to see both groups burry the hatchet and even work together to help the industry, until then I will ignore the Childs play to the best of my ability ( I am a sucker for drama sometimes) and focus on all the positives that everyone offers.

Dave I responded the way I did because you already knew how they are. You are in that group that posted on all those screenshots I put up. It would have been nice if you had just posted some up yourself instead of making me have to take the time to upload them and post.

Have you told them on that group that you are tired of their "child's play bullshit" or is this the only place you can post something like that without retaliation?

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Ron you are an a-hole. You never once offered me a "bump". Not that I would ever do one but it would be nice if you offered. As for the drinks, thanks for those few beers we have shared!

Lol, what's next? Scott Stone offered to take Chris L to a Protestant revival? Or I invited Chris to a secret devil sacrifice? Lpl!!

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Tony I only asked because you said to ask!!! I think both groups offer great benefits to contractors around the country!!! I also think their is a lot of child's play bullshit that needs to stop, and the sooner the high road is taken the better for all, and I would like to see both groups burry the hatchet and even work together to help the industry, until then I will ignore the Childs play to the best of my ability ( I am a sucker for drama sometimes) and focus on all the positives that everyone offers.


Here you go Dave, right in the thick of it. Missed a good opportunity to let them know how disgusted you are with it.

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Damn Tony now your trying to tell me what to say or I didn't say you sound like the gonv, that's a little weird to me. I think Ill have to leave at this point but I would like to say I showed my disgust earlier in that thread, guess it wasn't worded to your liking, so you didn't show that part. Hmmm Like I said. I like to keep things positive, so Tony how is that remote control system you did a you tube video working for you??? I really enjoyed that. these types of threads accomplish nothing and nothing good will come out of it, its the internert. I got no beef I enjoy Ron and Chris I belief that's my right, sorry if I don't think like you want me to. Have a good day and don't let this crap get to you
 
Damn Tony now your trying to tell me what to say or I didn't say you sound like the gonv, that's a little weird to me. I think Ill have to leave at this point but I would like to say I showed my disgust earlier in that thread, guess it wasn't worded to your liking, so you didn't show that part. Hmmm Like I said. I like to keep things positive, so Tony how is that remote control system you did a you tube video working for you??? I really enjoyed that. these types of threads accomplish nothing and nothing good will come out of it, its the internert. I got no beef I enjoy Ron and Chris I belief that's my right, sorry if I don't think like you want me to. Have a good day and don't let this crap get to you

I didn't see any other posts by you in that thread and apparently it is gone now. I just knew you were in it and then came here and asked like you didn't know that kind of thing existed.

I can't tell anybody what to say, but I can point out inconsistencies. That's all I did Dave.

The remote would only last a few months even when wrapped in foam due to the vibrations so I don't use it now.

Remotes are important, but being able to network with contractors and leaders you can trust...

who will keep their word..even if its not in writing..

who will refuse to interfere with good relationships with ahjs..

who will not talk crap about people on the phone behind their back while not having the guts to do the same in writing or to their face..

Who will not value a dollar over a relationship......

All these things are far more important than remotes, tech tips and other things. All the things above can destroy a business and sometimes flat out steal a business we have worked hard to build.

Be wary of those who say this is all "internet drama". It is a technique that keeps the simple minded among us from looking deep enough into facts to expose their thefts, dishonesty and destruction.


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