PWNA - Who authorized this?
- Thread starter Tony Shelton
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Chris WCR
Member
I would have to imagine you either got on the list from:
Maybe downloading a back issue from our store, or possibly from when I met you a couple of years ago when NCE piggy backed that show with CETA. We did a little write up on Ron.
We certainly do not want to waste the postage on someone who is not interested in receiving it, so I will get you removed.
By who? Not by me..
Tony your name has never left my fingers onto a keyboard.. Yet 3 or 4 times this week you have had some weird things to say about me.
Tony's a hall monitor!! Remember
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
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I have never even so much as given you a business card. Never looked at your site, never ordered anything. So where did you cull my info?
Could it be when you and Thad were secretly working on your org while Thad was a UAMCC board member?
His conflict of interest should have been disclosed by him at that time. Since he didn't come forward you could have to engender trust.
The UAMCC almost shut down while Thad was on watch. One can't help but think it was a part of a plan to instantly meld members into your org.
If you guys would just combine with the Pwna you guys could help them streamline their bumbling exploits and provide them with databases of all the contractors customers.
The NSA of power washing. Lol.
I am exaggerating somewhat as a joke.
A question to you Chris would be where are you in this fight against what the PWNA has done? You falsely called Ron a coke head, where are the allegations of whoremongers or the like for the pwna?
Or are you ready to apologize for the remark about Ron?
Tony we all know they rely on the controversy and Drama amongst Leaders in the industry. This is how they attract new members seeking the escape from reality. We can be over here learn nothing but feel warm and fuzzy, in a few months a new crop emerges and the cycle starts again. PWNA has done this for Years nothing is New, well now for the first time we have a real Org run by the members and doing what they want. Not what other interests want accomplished.
Guy Blackmon
Roundtable Host 2009
Then why don't we just stay on topic.
Seriously when will it stop? It has people with integrity now are finally in charge of the industry.
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
I can't for the life of me understand why someone from the PWNA did not come forward and apologize to the contractors for Robert's gross misuse of a retracted UAMCC endorsement.
I asked who authorized this in May and it is now the middle of August.
All 19 megabytes of the email scans were sent to Eric Clark on May 17, 2013.
That was three months ago.
Yet a full 1 out of four of the convention instructors listed on the PWNA convention site were participants in these emails.
Another participant is listed as a teacher of a garage cleaning class.
Is this what you members are going to the convention to hear?
Can you really believe anything these men have to tell you in an instructor capacity?
What are they going to teach? How do destroy relationships between contractors and regulators? The proper way to say one thing in public and do another in private emails? How to make proper use of a stolen org logo?
This is absolutely shameful.
Here's a quote from Zig Ziglar for anyone who wants to teach a class or instruct anyone:
"Honesty and integrity are absolutely essential for success in life"
Doug Rucker
Roundtable Host 2009
Maybe what your saying is reaching them Tony. Looks like Michael is saying he wants out of the Sandbox. At least that's what I get out of it.
Scott Stone
New member
Would anyone mind if I asked to be left alone, and let me do my thing?
I would have never though I could be made fun of and mocked by people that want to be industry leaders because of my areas of expertise. I find it even more appalling that someone could announce publicly that they were meddling in my contract, in a city that I live in, then I get painted as jealous because of it.
For what it is worth, I have been asked to look at providing services to many different large metropolitan areas, because of the quality of service and professionalism that we provide. It is amazing the reputation that can be built in a few short years. I am not talking about me looking at bid offerings, but direct contact by people with authority saying what can we do with this contract to make sure you will bid it? (They usually take it from there).
I don't, and won't, play that way. It isnt in me. Yet there are others that feel free to attack me, try and damage my reputation in my corner of the world, and generally try to make it look like I am incompetent. Pardon me if I take it a little bit personal.
I would have never though I could be made fun of and mocked by people that want to be industry leaders because of my areas of expertise. I find it even more appalling that someone could announce publicly that they were meddling in my contract, in a city that I live in, then I get painted as jealous because of it.
For what it is worth, I have been asked to look at providing services to many different large metropolitan areas, because of the quality of service and professionalism that we provide. It is amazing the reputation that can be built in a few short years. I am not talking about me looking at bid offerings, but direct contact by people with authority saying what can we do with this contract to make sure you will bid it? (They usually take it from there).
I don't, and won't, play that way. It isnt in me. Yet there are others that feel free to attack me, try and damage my reputation in my corner of the world, and generally try to make it look like I am incompetent. Pardon me if I take it a little bit personal.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Don't believe it for a second Doug. That is just another comment directed towards us. Narcissistic personalities always convince themselves they are superior to everyone else.
If Michael wanted out of the sandbox he would have resigned from the pwna in shame a long time ago. Any resignation now would be nothing more than a strategic move to try to save his reputation to keep the door open for future destruction. He already resigned once as a distributor trying to look like he wanted to be above board, then quietly came back and asked to be on the board again and was quickly ablidged by the other owners of the pwna
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Rance
Active member
I have not commented on any of this PWNA - Hinderliter business but I believe that anybody and or everybody over at the PWNA that wanted to get out of the sandbox has had plenty of time and opportunity to do so. I believe if they wanted to get out they would have done so long ago. It would be very difficult to trust them now after every thing that has happened. It's like making a choice to walk with the Lord. You make the decision, then get out of the boat and start your walk with him without ever looking back making the choice to fight for what is right. Those that say they walk with the Lord but are not really walking with Him will go back to their old ways proving to the world where they really stand. Hypocrites are what they are called. I believe everyone should have a second and maybe even a third chance to change the way they live their lives and how they treat others. But those that own and or are a part of the PWNA have had many chances to come forward and set the record straight and have not done so. That is the reason (in my mind) they cannot and should not be trusted, now or maybe ever.
Rance according to Minutes they are not Allowed, I know that Seems Silly...
Apparently the only one who Does Post thats on the BOD is MIKE
I do not have a Copy of the Minutes www.pwna.org Look here yourself
Feel Free to Contact them to get the Answer, after all its your Industry
Lou hoods&more
New member
WOW..women's scorn have nothing to these orgs....
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Rance according to Minutes they are not Allowed, I know that Seems Silly...
Apparently the only one who Does Post thats on the BOD is MIKE
I do not have a Copy of the Minutes www.pwna.org Look here yourself
Feel Free to Contact them to get the Answer, after all its your Industry
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Kristopher Pettitt
Member
As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your savior your sins will be forgiven. Jesus didn't die for our sins and put a number up, he simply forgave all of sins no matter what as long or how many as we accepted him in our hearts as our savior. For you to compare our lord and savior to what is happening here is disrespectful and I for one will have no part in it. Maybe you need to learn a little forgiveness.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Kristopher, God never gave any indication within his inspired word that he ever extends forgiveness to those who refuse to admit to their sins.
That is what is lacking here and that is what makes the comparison valid.
When I disrespected Russ and PWI in general and was banned for taking up for Jim Gamble I was wrong. I was operating on false information.
Once I realized I had been wrong I asked them for forgiveness.
At that point I became a candidate for forgiveness based on the biblical example. Prior to that there was no reason to forgive me for anything. I was still lost within my own false premise.
Forgiving me before I had changed my heart about the matter and asked for forgiveness would have been an exercise in futility and would serve to encourage me to continue marching along making similar false assumptions without any fear of the embarrassment that comes with admitting you are wrong.
I have brought up Carlos Gonzales before. I have great respect for Carlos now. He, like all of us, made some mistakes that became public.
Eventually his heart changed and he simply admitted his mistakes and began the humble work of putting his nose to the grindstone to work towards not making those same mistakes again.
Carlos is a perfect example of forgiveness as depicted in the Bible.
If Paul, after the road to Damascus, had refused to admit his guilt in killing Christians do you think for one minute the Christians at Galatia, Ephesus, Corinth or the other cities he wrote to and visited would be required by God to simply forgive and trust him????
That would be ludicrous and go against everything taught in the entire Bible.
Actions have consequences.
Forgiveness comes as the result of a broken and contrite heart, not as a license to keep doing the wrong we are doing.
Forgiveness for the Pwna members will be required, but not till those involved confess and repent, just like the forgiveness for those who crucified him didn't come till they repented in Acts 2:38. Jesus asked God to forgive them. And he did.. about 50 days later when they repented at Pentecost.
One of the most misquoted scriptures in the Bible is when Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". He forgave them... every one of them who asked for it.
So far no one from the pwna has asked for forgiveness. There is no change of heart. There is no repentance.
The argument that things from the past should be simply forgiven if we call ourselves Christians is a slap in the face to God who gave his only son as the only path to forgiveness for a sin that was committed over 3000 years prior in the garden of eden.
If he expects us to forgive and forget when there is no repentance or acceptance of guilt then perhaps you can ask him when you meet him why he didn't just forgive Satan for deceiving Eve, after all, it was in the past and we should just move on. Lol.
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Doug Rucker
Roundtable Host 2009
Not sure I see the disrespectful part, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion...I think if we, especially those of us that call ourselves Christians, did a little more comparing to our Lord and Savior, then this world just might be a little better...
I forgive them for the last 30 years, now it's time for change.
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
I will forgive when they ask for it. I will forget when they help reverse the damage.
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