PWNA Looking for bod mEMBER!!

Chris Tharpe said:
that is not the way to do it. Why is it the large guys fault they are successful and why should they carry the dues of a smaller company. Are you for re distribution of wealth also. Nothing personal just my opinion.
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Actually it is the way to do it we are a member of PLANET which is a HUGE org in the lawn and landscape industry this is from their site

Dues are based on annual sales volume.

Under $200,000 $325
$200,000–$750,000 $545
$750,000–$2 million $800
$2–$5 million $1,270
$5–$10 million $1,900
$10–$25 million $2,545
$25–$50 million $3,675
$50-$100 million $6,615
Over $100 million $8,400
* Branch $80
** Franchisee 40% discount
International (all volumes) $475
 
Do guessing the average pw business does 500k or less your proposing that we should raise dues for most of the industry to increase membership.
 
DJ Carroll said:
I can't do it b/c PWing isn't 50% of our gross sales. But i do want to bring somethign to the attention of the PWNA.

I had a sit down with a municipality to discuss 800k sq ft on concrete cleaning ... told them in my lil presentation we were a member of the PWNA - there response "There is an organization for pressure washers?"

Seriously PWNA needs to get on this. One of the main stances of the org is educations. Want me to renew when membership comes up? Help out the members and do a direct mail to all the major municipalities saying use a member. Those are the types of things i want to see my dollars going towards.
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I agree, They need to setting up trade show booths at national city type trade shows and other national shows. If not why belong? What true benifit is there? A logo? lol sorry a logo has to mean something.............
 
Chris Tharpe said:
that is not the way to do it. Why is it the large guys fault they are successful and why should they carry the dues of a smaller company. Are you for re distribution of wealth also. Nothing personal just my opinion.
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I wasn't advocating different levels for the contractors but that's not a bad idea as well.

I exampled a PW'er next to a manufacture.....Do you think some guy in his 1st year of pressure washing, who cold water washes residential, should have to pay 70% of what a company that makes hot water skids pays?
 
DJ Carroll said:
Actually it is the way to do it we are a member of PLANET which is a HUGE org in the lawn and landscape industry this is from their site

Dues are based on annual sales volume.

Under $200,000 $325
$200,000–$750,000 $545
$750,000–$2 million $800
$2–$5 million $1,270
$5–$10 million $1,900
$10–$25 million $2,545
$25–$50 million $3,675
$50-$100 million $6,615
Over $100 million $8,400
* Branch $80
** Franchisee 40% discount
International (all volumes) $475
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I always thought this type of thing should be reversed..make less pay more.. increase the barrier of entry to protect its members.. But why would they want to do that.
 
It's the truth, and everyone here can make the change within themselves today. Your ideas need direction and help. It's starts today.

Ohio pressure wash said:
You are taking this personally when you really have little to do with his point.

PWNA is a business, it's customers are people that buy, sell, own or use pressure washers in their business. What DJ is pointing out is a simple fact of business......that in order to sell a product or service, you must demonstrate it's value. It's a simple issue of cost vs worth. If PWNA offered value to his business which is regional, he'd remain a member.

The big tent plan is showing it's design flaws and I really don't see how your solution of getting involved to change it is possible. It's not DJ's job to fix PWNA.....he just did his job. He told a business that he seen no value in their product. If they can add value to his business or improve his profits he'll buy. It's on the people that wish PWNA to succeed to figure out how to address his issue.

Maybe that's where we should start.....breaking down the PWNA by beneficiary and then setting dues appropriately. Why should a $50k gross sales pressure washing contractor member have to pay 70% of what a 1 million+ gross sales supplier's pays in dues?
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DJ Carroll said:
I can't do it b/c PWing isn't 50% of our gross sales. But i do want to bring somethign to the attention of the PWNA.

I had a sit down with a municipality to discuss 800k sq ft on concrete cleaning ... told them in my lil presentation we were a member of the PWNA - there response "There is an organization for pressure washers?"

Seriously PWNA needs to get on this. One of the main stances of the org is educations. Want me to renew when membership comes up? Help out the members and do a direct mail to all the major municipalities saying use a member. Those are the types of things i want to see my dollars going towards.
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So you received "the only thing" ANY org is good for and that is......THE REACH AROUND!
 
If contractors would ignore the orgs and quit sending them money they would eventually go away. That could only benefit the contractors by not having a group of people poking their noses into our business and stirring up the gov't/epa etc. They are just a business trying to make a buck, so you can't really fault them for that I guess. Kinda like the BBB or Chamber of Commerce, they benefit no one but hanging around bullying people into paying thinking it will help their business grow.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
I wasn't advocating different levels for the contractors but that's not a bad idea as well.

I exampled a PW'er next to a manufacture.....Do you think some guy in his 1st year of pressure washing, who cold water washes residential, should have to pay 70% of what a company that makes hot water skids pays?
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The membership for both Orgs are setup this way. Vendor/Manufacturer's are seperate than contractors and do pay more. I think its around $600for a Vendor Member at the UAMCC, I think its $500 at the PWNA for the same Vendor Membership
 
Chris Tharpe said:
The membership for both Orgs are setup this way. Vendor/Manufacturer's are seperate than contractors and do pay more. I think its around $600for a Vendor Member at the UAMCC, I think its $500 at the PWNA for the same Vendor Membership
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Correct......1.4 times more than what a guy that washes 30 houses his first year.
 
Chris WCR said:
I always thought this type of thing should be reversed..make less pay more.. increase the barrier of entry to protect its members.. But why would they want to do that.
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That makes sense if the org. can show a big enough benefit to entice new members to join. Its all about the benefits. People need to benefit if there going to spend there money to become an org. member. I don't know how in the Powerwashing business you can do the above.

If your mixing vendors in there they usually have the most money but they should pay more because they can sell to the membership who in turn can get a discount compared to non members. That seems to always work but then again to get the Vendors you need to show you have a decent size org. membership base or even the vendors may not benefit enough to stay on as a Vendor member.

Chris--I can see how this can work in other groups settings such as a Fan Club but can you give an example of how this can work in our or your industry?
 
Also in this industry you have to watch out in trying to turn an org. into an elitest club. Thats wishful thinking but this industry can't sustain that and IMHO an org. should not go there because it would lose the masses.

I think Ron Musgraves has hit this nail on the head in the past. Have the vendors/Dist. pay a certain fee and that can go up as the org. grows because they can have a huge benny by the org. having so many members. Also charge the Contractor members a very minimal fee so they can market there org. membership and the more contractors you have doing that the more known the org. becomes. Now you have a large base and with that so many more things can happen in a positive way for the members and the industry as a whole.

As for charging members by what there annual gross is I think the IWCA use to do that(They may still be doing that but I'm not up to date with them). Thats an interesting idea but once again some may lie about there gross and personally I don't think an org. has any business in knowing what your Gross or net is.
 
Clean County PW said:
Chris--I can see how this can work in other groups settings such as a Fan Club but can you give an example of how this can work in our or your industry?
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I actually cant.. I dont think it would really work..

But I do think the fees should be the same for all. Dont punish the people who make more by hitting them with a higher tab.
 
offdutyfireman said:
If contractors would ignore the orgs and quit sending them money they would eventually go away. That could only benefit the contractors by not having a group of people poking their noses into our business and stirring up the gov't/epa etc. They are just a business trying to make a buck, so you can't really fault them for that I guess. Kinda like the BBB or Chamber of Commerce, they benefit no one but hanging around bullying people into paying thinking it will help their business grow.
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:yes2::yes2::yes2:

One day Sir, I must shake your hand over a beer and a steak.

ps ' still can't give you rep.
 
I recently joined PWNA... I still have the new member packet somewhere as we are moving to a new location and it will likely be the last thing unpacked. I didn't join for the logo or hopes that they will land me a job (while all that would be nice), I joined because I feel major regulation is coming to our industry. I feel like PWNA and other orgs might be our best chance at lobbying and getting some reasonable input to the coming wave of regulations. I worry a little about the supplier influence because they would all love to sell us evaporators to go with our water reclaim, then HAZMAT disposal bags for recovered waste, then specialized, green chemicals. But, that is why the BOD are contractors.
If you don't like the orgs and/or refuse to join, I understand fully. I hate to call him out, and I understand if this gets censored, but at the Tampa RT, when Chris of Apple roof cleaning said we had to forget ourselves for the good of the industry and join an org...a piece of me died. Sounds like a disaster out of an Ayn Rand book.
That being said, I didn't join for the good of the industry. My reasons were purely selfish. But, as has been proven over and over, selfish motives in business are typically mutually beneficial.
I've seen the PWNA logo on some of my competitors who are not listed on the website. Beyond that, they do a terrible job...
Obviously there is some work to do. I'll do my best to prepare to serve my time in the near future.
 
Brother your on pwi, nothings going to get edited unless you threaten someone. Frankly your post was right on with what's needed by every individual in this industry.

Now the hard part, when do you start changing the wrongs?

BlueBliss said:
I recently joined PWNA... I still have the new member packet somewhere as we are moving to a new location and it will likely be the last thing unpacked. I didn't join for the logo or hopes that they will land me a job (while all that would be nice), I joined because I feel major regulation is coming to our industry. I feel like PWNA and other orgs might be our best chance at lobbying and getting some reasonable input to the coming wave of regulations. I worry a little about the supplier influence because they would all love to sell us evaporators to go with our water reclaim, then HAZMAT disposal bags for recovered waste, then specialized, green chemicals. But, that is why the BOD are contractors.
If you don't like the orgs and/or refuse to join, I understand fully. I hate to call him out, and I understand if this gets censored, but at the Tampa RT, when Chris of Apple roof cleaning said we had to forget ourselves for the good of the industry and join an org...a piece of me died. Sounds like a disaster out of an Ayn Rand book.
That being said, I didn't join for the good of the industry. My reasons were purely selfish. But, as has been proven over and over, selfish motives in business are typically mutually beneficial.
I've seen the PWNA logo on some of my competitors who are not listed on the website. Beyond that, they do a terrible job...
Obviously there is some work to do. I'll do my best to prepare to serve my time in the near future.
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I called PWNA years ago you would think someone in the org as it together enough to return a call. But that was thinking much to highly of them.
 
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