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Ron Musgraves

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I'm tired of Negative Stuff, if you have something positive to post please do so.

I have talked with Scott, Russ & Grant...

We all Agree this last post about the UAMCC will be the lAst ever.

On another Note we are going to a positive BBS...for 2010

I support the contractors in the UAMCC because many are my freinds. They are our brothers, we support contractors from all org here at PWI.

We will however have no more negative stuff.

If you have a problem with anyone or org. E-mail them and those you want to know.

PWI is not a battle Zone.

Trevor Steele is the Admin for UAMCC forum. We agreed to allow them to moderate there own forum until the Current BOD was in Place.

We extend that to the Future BOD as they are not responsible for the current issues. Nor will we tolerate future UAMCC business to be discussed here if its negative.( please feel free to post positive NEWS & events)

I'm done, I agree that all the negativity breeds more negativity.

Thanks,

I still think we should have allowed people to E-mail John and request this info.

Have a nice Nite!!!!

Make some money!!
 
I'm tired of Negative Stuff, if you have something positive to post please do so.

I have talked with Scott, Russ & Grant...

We all Agree this last post about the UAMCC will be the lAst ever.

On another Note we are going to a positive BBS...for 2010

I support the contractors in the UAMCC because many are my freinds. They are our brothers, we support contractors from all org here at PWI.

We will however have no more negative stuff.

If you have a problem with anyone or org. E-mail them and those you want to know.

PWI is not a battle Zone.

Trevor Steele is the Admin for UAMCC forum. We agreed to allow them to moderate there own forum until the Current BOD was in Place.

We extend that to the Future BOD as they are not responsible for the current issues. Nor will we tolerate future UAMCC business to be discussed here if its negative.( please feel free to post positive NEWS & events)

I'm done, I agree that all the negativity breeds more negativity.

Thanks,

I still think we should have allowed people to E-mail John and request this info.

Have a nice Nite!!!!

Make some money!!

Good Job Ron.....:joyful:
 
Are you saying you are giving them a protected pedestal to preach from? Have you been drinking koolaid? :cool:

Why not ban all talk about them or from them till the BOD has had 6 months to do something right? They're not trolling here anymore anyway, they are using craigslist now for new members.
 
Are you saying you are giving them a protected pedestal to preach from? Have you been drinking koolaid? :cool:

Why not ban all talk about them or from them till the BOD has had 6 months to do something right? They're not trolling here anymore anyway, they are using craigslist now for new members.


And Facebook
 
I'm amazed at the "negativity" sentiment.

Here's a story to put it more into perspective:

Suppose you gave money to a church for mission work after listening to a sermon on the need for help in Uganda.

-----Later a well respected member is kicked out of the church without being given a chance to give their side of the story.

------Members who have spoken with the elders and pastors and heard their intentions of spending the money on a Lexus for the pastor are kicked out of the services after revealing what they know.

------An elder resigns because he disagrees and it is announced he resigned for "health reasons" to "cover it up".

----- Two more elders resign and openly speak about the plans to buy the Lexus. The remaining elders spread the word that they left because they were jealous of the other elders.

------Members who want to stick their head in the sand and want to believe that their pastor can do no wrong complain about all the "negative" energy in the church.

Now, where is the negativity in open examination?
Who is the cause of the negativity? Is it the elders who resigned or the sneaky pastor and elders who use thug tactics to hide the pastor's greed?



ack to our industry:

Anyone who is genuinely concerned about the future of their business and the future of their family's income MUST be willing to listen to ALL sides of the examination of any org that claims to "represent" the industry.

Today Jill (my daughter-in-law) mentioned that she is "tired of the negativity" she sees on PWI. I asked her "what is the negativity it was about"?

She said "I don't know, it's just "negative".

I can only assume that this is the reason for most of the negativity complaints - it can only come from those who aren't willing or haven't taken the time to actually READ the posts and EXAMINE the organization that plans to lead our industry into 2010.

THIS IS YOUR LIFE.
THIS IS YOUR INDUSTRY!
LEFT ALONE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AND WILL BE SETTING POLICY WITH YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT!
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WORKING ON NATIONAL SERVICE IN YOUR TOWN TO HAND OUT TO THEIR HANDPICKED MEMBERS!
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE MORAL COMPASS OF YOUR INDUSTRY!

THEY NEED TO BE EXAMINED IN EVERYTHING THEY DO.

(PS. Al P. the church reference was thought of just for you, because, brother, you need this sermon.) :wave3:
 
It is getting silly, and I probably let it go on far longer than it should have. I am done with it, and will start closing negative threads immediately. I am asking all the moderators to do the same. However, if anyone thinks that every time they see something they disagree with, for whatever reason, that I should close a thread as negative, it ain't happening.
 
I agree with you to a point Scott but then Tony really has a great point, if there is going to be change there needs to be a system of checks and balances, if there are no people asking the tough questions they will never be brought up or talked about. As I see it if you oppose this organization you will be sensored and belittled. That simply can not be tolerated. I have stayed out of all this since I was the one who really threw the first hard punch but it is getting silly for them not to answer the questions that have been put out there time and time again by contractors. Isnt that who they represent? Or is it just those that pay $$$$$ I thought they were the voice of the industry, I would join today if I felt I could make a difference and if I felt my oponion mattered but I am sure I would be banned and robbed of my money too since I am the voice of opposition toward their leadership.
 
(In a sing-along sort of tone) I've been the good kid and nothing is my fault this week :)
 
I agree with you guys, if things don't get answered they will get swept under the rug and people out there will never know.

There have been requests for things that so far have not shown up, kind of like a trend there or is it now a tradition?

If they are going to represent us then shouldn't they listen to what we are saying and answer questions that were asked many months ago and show documents that were asked to be seen?

Just my opinion, not the opinion of PWI or NCE.
 
I'm amazed at the "negativity" sentiment.

Here's a story to put it more into perspective:

Suppose you gave money to a church for mission work after listening to a sermon on the need for help in Uganda.

-----Later a well respected member is kicked out of the church without being given a chance to give their side of the story.

------Members who have spoken with the elders and pastors and heard their intentions of spending the money on a Lexus for the pastor are kicked out of the services after revealing what they know.

------An elder resigns because he disagrees and it is announced he resigned for "health reasons" to "cover it up".

----- Two more elders resign and openly speak about the plans to buy the Lexus. The remaining elders spread the word that they left because they were jealous of the other elders.

------Members who want to stick their head in the sand and want to believe that their pastor can do no wrong complain about all the "negative" energy in the church.

Now, where is the negativity in open examination?
Who is the cause of the negativity? Is it the elders who resigned or the sneaky pastor and elders who use thug tactics to hide the pastor's greed?



ack to our industry:

Anyone who is genuinely concerned about the future of their business and the future of their family's income MUST be willing to listen to ALL sides of the examination of any org that claims to "represent" the industry.

Today Jill (my daughter-in-law) mentioned that she is "tired of the negativity" she sees on PWI. I asked her "what is the negativity it was about"?

She said "I don't know, it's just "negative".

I can only assume that this is the reason for most of the negativity complaints - it can only come from those who aren't willing or haven't taken the time to actually READ the posts and EXAMINE the organization that plans to lead our industry into 2010.

THIS IS YOUR LIFE.
THIS IS YOUR INDUSTRY!
LEFT ALONE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AND WILL BE SETTING POLICY WITH YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT!
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WORKING ON NATIONAL SERVICE IN YOUR TOWN TO HAND OUT TO THEIR HANDPICKED MEMBERS!
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT THE MORAL COMPASS OF YOUR INDUSTRY!

THEY NEED TO BE EXAMINED IN EVERYTHING THEY DO.

(PS. Al P. the church reference was thought of just for you, because, brother, you need this sermon.) :wave3:

First of All....At most churches they have problems one way or another, however they do not discuss their problems openly in the congregation for all to see.... husband, wifes, children and visitors!
It is behind closed doors!!!!
What ever the problem is it is supposed to be handled by the head of the church, most of the time the problem is fixed and the congregation knows nothing about it and worship is not disturbed,
and they ones who do know only know by rumors and hearsay which stands a good chance to be inaccurate.
If you want a church to destroy a church real quick......
Let the deacons or congregation get a chance to get up on the pulpit and voice their opinion .....You would lose most your members and defiantly if someone visited they would never come back!!!

Anyways.... this is my prospective of the problem.
Hope someone will benefit from it.

Tony you have to stop picking me out, you act like I am the only Christian here .
 
It is getting silly, and I probably let it go on far longer than it should have. I am done with it, and will start closing negative threads immediately. I am asking all the moderators to do the same. However, if anyone thinks that every time they see something they disagree with, for whatever reason, that I should close a thread as negative, it ain't happening.
just a simple Thank You!
 
If I thought that there was a remote hope that someone in a position of influence with the UAMCC would respond to a question, I would be all over. Since they seem to like to perpetuate lies and fantasies, such as they are banned from posting here, as well as the numerous personal attacks they have instigated against Rob, Ron, John and me, I do not see a purpose of making PWI a bully pulpit for them that are going to pretend doesn't exist. In my opinion, at this point, they are nothing more than a privately owned club that is destined for failure because of poor leadership. They really are not worth worrying about.
 
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