Scott Stone
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Do what I did Russ. Try Brian Penney.
New organization, FOCUS
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jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
No money has exchanged hands yet, but it will if anything pans out.
I did not insinuate that all of you who would volunteer your time are up to something you ought not be. Please don't put words in my mouth. If I make a statement about motives or agenda it will be direct and require no interpretation.
Right now my take on it is, "Meet the new Boss. Same as the old Boss."
Maybe I'm just implacably cynical but I'm entitled to my personal opinion and I reserve the right to change it as the facts present themselves.
I'm not interested in debating it nor am I planning to snipe from the sidelines.
It would be wonderful if something actually came out of a national org but I just don't believe that 'Big Org' can help the individual contractor and more than big government helps small business owners.
Just label me 'Pessimist' and ignore me.
Who could ignore you dude.
Mr. Penny
Brian, in light that Mr. gibson of THE GREASE POLICE .Com has brought up the fact you also resigned from the PWNA instead of a defense mode please take the time to elaborate why you quit the at almost the top. In only a few months you would have become the president of the PWNA and been able to make the changes for all pressure washing contractors nationwide and all would have been save from the darkness of evil.
You can cut to the chase and explain why you would pull out of another org at the top and join a start up?
Let me guess???????? Just my opinion, you realized that TGP had more to offer you than the wood org you found yourself as vice president and that the work you were doing was getting you no where.
You time and effort if only spent half the energy would create more positive with TGP.
Brian, in light that Mr. gibson of THE GREASE POLICE .Com has brought up the fact you also resigned from the PWNA instead of a defense mode please take the time to elaborate why you quit the at almost the top. In only a few months you would have become the president of the PWNA and been able to make the changes for all pressure washing contractors nationwide and all would have been save from the darkness of evil.
You can cut to the chase and explain why you would pull out of another org at the top and join a start up?
Let me guess???????? Just my opinion, you realized that TGP had more to offer you than the wood org you found yourself as vice president and that the work you were doing was getting you no where.
You time and effort if only spent half the energy would create more positive with TGP.
Thad
WCR Sales & Founder PWRA
Anybody who wants to fight or debate about an as-yet imaginary national PW org and/or the motives of anyone who is willing to put forth the time and energy to make it happen.
I think we're on the same page, Jeff.
Who needs a national org? Who would actually benefit from it?
I have made up my mind and I'm sure that anyone else who ponders the question has their own answers.
To any involved- Best of luck to you.
Clean County PW
Active member
Ron that is so far from the truth as to what happened to Brian Penny. First off Brian doesnt visit these bb's that much so you don't see him here that often. Brian had another 1.5 yrs before he would have been able to move up to the President slot. Alot went down the last year and Between Brian and Cujo traveling for the org(Trip to Texas representing the org at an Environmental show etc.) they gave alot of themselves. What else can you ask for in a Volunteering org. Its a long story but most anyone in there shoes would have done the same thing as far as resigning goes. Who would want to keep volunteering when your efforts are disregarded and your word is discredited. To refer to these guys as quitters especially from you seems so far out of line because you know more then most.
Russ Spence
Commercial Pressure Wash Expert
I got it and sent Brian an email , also check your settings now you should have all the button I have access to give you
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
This does not sound good & why do we want to start another group, when we could not make the first one work?
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
Lots of drama!
I say who ever wants to start an org, LET THEM. If its a bad, good or great we will figure it out. I think everyone who is thinking and trying to start an org is doing so to help better the industry. there may be one or two or none that are doing it for strictly selfish reasons
Lets not bash or be to quick to criticize something that isn't even done yet
Lets just give it a chance.
My opinion is up in the air and a little negative towards an org working, but that could change in time who knows. Let them try and lets cut them some slack , without the negative crap, before anything is even presented
Just my $.02
Jeff
Like I said I want to start a pressure washing monarcy....and I want to be the KING
I say who ever wants to start an org, LET THEM. If its a bad, good or great we will figure it out. I think everyone who is thinking and trying to start an org is doing so to help better the industry. there may be one or two or none that are doing it for strictly selfish reasons
Lets not bash or be to quick to criticize something that isn't even done yet
Lets just give it a chance.
My opinion is up in the air and a little negative towards an org working, but that could change in time who knows. Let them try and lets cut them some slack , without the negative crap, before anything is even presented
Just my $.02
Jeff
Like I said I want to start a pressure washing monarcy....and I want to be the KING
wow, what did brian accomplish. it does not really matter because he is not starting another org.
Carolina Prowash
Exterior Surface Pros
Amen to that.
Mathew Johnson
New member
Lots of drama!
I say who ever
Like I said I want to start a pressure washing monarcy....and I want to be the KING
LOL... OK King LeCourse.... You might want to call EA and see how being king worked out for him. You have my vote for King.... Oh wait a minute.... us peasants cant vote for who is King...
Jeff, you crack me up.
Don Phelps
New member
I have an interest in the thing, which is hard to believe in itself (to me) but I also have some major concerns and skepticism about a group of people that were heavily involved (at one time or another) with another org that has never done much other than flounder around and cost it's members money with little to no return or benefit to them. If they couldn't handle an errant board member or two, why should anyone believe that they're capable of launching and operating an organization on a national level anyway?
Now that I've gotten that off my chest and on the table, in what capacity might I be able to help? I'm an outsider generally speaking of our industry orgs but that might be a good thing for the future too. I'm open to lending a hand, but will under no uncertain terms sit around and be told to keep quiet while all the former, disgruntled members of another decrepit org try to steer the boat in their own selfish directions and no where else. That's already happened (and still happening apparently) elsewhere. It didn't work then and it won't work again.
If I can help, let me know. If not, I suppose all the narrow minds will keep telling me how narrow-minded I'm supposed to be.
Upon further review, there might be too many rats on the ship for this to be pulled off. Hopefully it happens, but I have more doubts now. Hell, after reading all this, many would have serious doubts about several people and things in this business.
Time to back up and lurk for a while on this one.
Ps. A remedial course in grammar and spelling before opining any further might help to advance the agenda of some.
Don, are you picking on my bad grammer again?
Don't worry, I will have someone else write the stuff. I would hire a professional manangement company and independant accounting.
your a roofer, I will never start a roof cleaning org.
What would they call it? national softwasher of america.
Don't worry, I will have someone else write the stuff. I would hire a professional manangement company and independant accounting.
your a roofer, I will never start a roof cleaning org.
What would they call it? national softwasher of america.
Don Phelps
New member
I'm not really "picking" on anybody or anything, just offering a little food for thought since this is about advancing the industry.
I have several ideas about possibly forming a roof cleaning organization in the future. No monikers to share with the world yet, still ingesting, digesting (and indigesting), purging and retaining many ideas and thoughts about it at this point.
One thing it won't be is formed, operated and driven by power, ego and narrow-minded greed and passed off as something to further "the industry." That's just politics as usual and nothing more. It will be driven by those with the intellectual and financial means to insure it's successful launch with nothing expected in return other than possibly an acknowledgement for helping to conceive it.
Hopefully this newly-proposed org will be exactly this as well, but it's looking something more like leftover breakfast.
Many will notice that there are a lot out there that propose great things, but never open their wallets and put their money where their mouth is. They just talk of big things. In fact, many of them owe substancial amounts.
But that's the thing about the internet.......It's full of posturing phonies with businesses that are more shells and cheese than tangible income and assets.
Time will tell.........
I have several ideas about possibly forming a roof cleaning organization in the future. No monikers to share with the world yet, still ingesting, digesting (and indigesting), purging and retaining many ideas and thoughts about it at this point.
One thing it won't be is formed, operated and driven by power, ego and narrow-minded greed and passed off as something to further "the industry." That's just politics as usual and nothing more. It will be driven by those with the intellectual and financial means to insure it's successful launch with nothing expected in return other than possibly an acknowledgement for helping to conceive it.
Hopefully this newly-proposed org will be exactly this as well, but it's looking something more like leftover breakfast.
Many will notice that there are a lot out there that propose great things, but never open their wallets and put their money where their mouth is. They just talk of big things. In fact, many of them owe substancial amounts.
But that's the thing about the internet.......It's full of posturing phonies with businesses that are more shells and cheese than tangible income and assets.
Time will tell.........
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Thats Sums in up.
well if they get something togther i guess will hear.
well if they get something togther i guess will hear.
If anyone is interested in a real association for Us flat workers please contact me. I would be interested in talking and seeing what we could actually start.
gks72
New member
I think that should be reserved for the house washers.
I still don't recall seeing a list of what people 'expect' from a proposed 'org'.
Personally, I think any organization, whether its flatwork, roof, window, wood, or fleet related, must first come up with a list of goals and standards to be met, and a code of ethics.
Its obivious that there are a lot of guys out there doing these services, we've all taught one another something at somepoint or will be called up by a guy just looking to turn his dream of self employment into a reality in the next few years.
Name and costs to join are the lowest priority in my opinion.
What are going to be the benefits of joining?
I'm not interested in a discount for cleaning supplies, parts, and specialty equipment (I have suppliers I'm happy with, thank you agian SR,BB,BW,PK,GS)
The distributors collectively should play a role in member approval. I know there are guy's homebrewing and there are guys building their own equipment. BUT using professional equipment is only one part of the profession.
Having bonafide references and insurance are you other 2 parts of membership requirements. I don't think any potential member could not supply a list of 20 references...score less than a 70% on the satisfaction scale and thats is a sign you need to hone some skills BUT depending on the results, you could be mentored. Insurance...touchy subject, but no questions asked a certificate is minutes away, minimum required? My gut says to create continuity in the industry a minimum of $2 Million. You want to show people you are serious...insure your ass for serious business. Its not as expensive as you think.
How will the group work together and educate the public on certain aspects of the exterior cleaning industry...Almost need a writer on staff to write the press releases.
And realistically different areas have different concerns, drought, EPA compliance, 'non business liscence states' (GA and PA are two of the 13 that don't require a business liscense).
How will this "affiliation" get the contrator the job over the handyman with his electric wonder and simple green?
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The pwna does a great job at incompassing all org.
We need local specific oriented such as KEC, fleetwash, residential, wood and others.
We need local specific oriented such as KEC, fleetwash, residential, wood and others.
dodsonish
Grease Police President
Just for clarification. Brian did not leave PWNA to join TGP. He was recruited, when it was made known he was available...we approached him, and he accepted the position of Associate VP. He had left PWNA before any offer was made to him for a position with TGP.
John T.
John, Lets beat the dead horse, its actully a little funny I was reffering to you and another individual but since you have tried to explain this John I can trust your word over anyone from TGP( those guys are a bunch of Jokesters)
I’ll take you have spoken to Brian personally and I would like to formally apoligize for Brian taking the post Chris bent his direction. Brian long before you put endless nights working on PWNA stuff I was in mexico lying on the beach drinking a margarita. ( I have done the thankless job before you ever thought about it, So I realize and know how relentless and thankless it is. )
I finsihed all that I ever started and got one little reward, I inlisted about 75 members(including JohnT.) and 16 distributor members. Admin the first BBS started the first forum and sign all the dist to the first banner program. The list gos on and on, sat on BOD meeting even when I was not on the Bod and had committee jobs. (you don’t need to ask me, I apoligize to all for endoresing what I bekieved at the time)
They asked me countless times to be on the BOD. I declined because I was helping in other places. You joined a PWNA in a different era, we had way more committees and I had actually started and pushed for the committee that checks on the other to make sure they where all doing there jobs.
I never have wanted nor do I want to sit on the BOD of the PWNA at this time.
I’m sorry that for what ever reason you left it must have been pretty good. I never called you a quiter, you can say I candy coated all you want. I still only have seen your prakster TGP guys and there day to day jokes and photo shopping they do standing here accusing me of accusing you. ITS JUST A JOKE!!!!
I know it hurts so you might look around and realize you may be resigning from another org. Truly sorry your so called friends tried to put us at odds.
Call me sometime, we have talked in the past and you are a good person as John T has said.
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