Chris , this whole statment is a lie..your accusing me of putting these gents in a bad light.
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Chris , this whole statment is a lie..your accusing me of putting these gents in a bad light.
cgibson
facilisales Machine
"Quit because they couldn't take the heat, or because they couldn't play ball." You are stating this as a fact when it is not, and it definately puts them in a bad light.
Clean County PW
Active member
So far the many people that want to try and make this happen have many great qualities to bring to the table. There are current and past members of the following orgs PWNA,IWCA,IKEA,UAMCC,WRAPI,TGP and many others that are trying to get this to work. There are also a ton of others that never belonged to any of the above orgs.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against anyone who may have left whatever org. they were involved in against them. They all have there reasons and in most of there cases these guys and gals were not quitters. Some of them Volunteered way above and beyond what could and should ever be expected of them. If anyone wants to know first hand why some of these top notch people did not continue with there positions in there respective org's than all you have to do is call them.
Just to clarify myself to anyone who may be wondering(Ok maybe nobody
) I never resigned from my Executive BOD position within the PWNA last year and I was awarded with a certificate thanking my efforts as a volunteer at the end of my term.
I have no ill will towards any past affiliations I belonged to but it doesn't mean I won't keep searching for another group that better fits my business needs.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against anyone who may have left whatever org. they were involved in against them. They all have there reasons and in most of there cases these guys and gals were not quitters. Some of them Volunteered way above and beyond what could and should ever be expected of them. If anyone wants to know first hand why some of these top notch people did not continue with there positions in there respective org's than all you have to do is call them.
Just to clarify myself to anyone who may be wondering(Ok maybe nobody
) I never resigned from my Executive BOD position within the PWNA last year and I was awarded with a certificate thanking my efforts as a volunteer at the end of my term.I have no ill will towards any past affiliations I belonged to but it doesn't mean I won't keep searching for another group that better fits my business needs.
You specifically named them, your wrong. These are guys until the last phone call i hardly know.
So far the many people that want to try and make this happen have many great qualities to bring to the table. There are current and past members of the following orgs PWNA,IWCA,IKEA,UAMCC,WRAPI,TGP and many others that are trying to get this to work. There are also a ton of others that never belonged to any of the above orgs.
Personally I wouldn't hold it against anyone who may have left whatever org. they were involved in against them. They all have there reasons and in most of there cases these guys and gals were not quitters. Some of them Volunteered way above and beyond what could and should ever be expected of them. If anyone wants to know first hand why some of these top notch people did not continue with there positions in there respective org's than all you have to do is call them.
Just to clarify myself to anyone who may be wondering(Ok maybe nobody
I have no ill will towards any past affiliations I belonged to but it doesn't mean I won't keep searching for another group that better fits my business needs.
Thanks for getting in John, I wish you had stuck it out.
Chris, you guys always want to play on families children and other crap. Stop trying to be misleading. people see right through it, Your BOD members Brian Now has been drug into something that was not even intended.
But since we are talking about it i now realize why you took this wrong. Mr. penny was next in line as president and resigned. i now see why you thought i was talking about him.
I just got off the phone with Cujo and I support him in a local org. Cujo is a nice fellow and we remain freinds dispite your attempt to ruffle feathers.
But since we are talking about it i now realize why you took this wrong. Mr. penny was next in line as president and resigned. i now see why you thought i was talking about him.
I just got off the phone with Cujo and I support him in a local org. Cujo is a nice fellow and we remain freinds dispite your attempt to ruffle feathers.
Beth, action?????? I cant keep up with you. But I'm certain i wont be last..
Todd that genious.....LOL just playing... that the only thing i will be a part of and will do my part.
Chris Gibson Thegreasepolice ,
Please remember if you want people to actually take the org you know respresent seriously you need to watch how you posts. I dont like being accused of sladerous statements.
You misunderstood who i was reffering to and its very clear now you where wrong.
I apoligize for Mr Gibson remark that were not intended for the people he claims. i apoligize because I dont want people to get there feeling hurt. I'm certain that Cujo worked very hard and I dont want anyone to have the perception it was him.
My apoligys for Mr. Gibson misunderstandings.
Please remember if you want people to actually take the org you know respresent seriously you need to watch how you posts. I dont like being accused of sladerous statements.
You misunderstood who i was reffering to and its very clear now you where wrong.
I apoligize for Mr Gibson remark that were not intended for the people he claims. i apoligize because I dont want people to get there feeling hurt. I'm certain that Cujo worked very hard and I dont want anyone to have the perception it was him.
My apoligys for Mr. Gibson misunderstandings.
No it was who you said i said . anyway, done playing the game Chris. Go photo shop somthing, your time would be spent more productive.
cgibson
facilisales Machine
cgibson
facilisales Machine
I just got this email from Brian Penney, he has tried to reset his password so he can reply, but for whatever reason it's not working. Russ can you see if you can help out with this? His email address is SIhoodcleaning@comcast.net
From: Brian [mailto:SIhoodcleaning@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:20 PM
To: Chris Gibson, Field Supervisor
Subject: Ron
Chris
Please post this over on Ron's board form me as I can not log in. This
is my response to his horse****.
Ron
I'm not really sure where to begin, and I cannot believe that I'm
actually having to defend myself yet again to a bunch of conspiracy theory
myrmidons.
I'll type slowly so you can follow along. This will help you to avoid
the suffering humiliation of asking for help in translation later on.
You might want to give Don a call on this too so he can be straight
from here forward as well.
It appears that a fair amount of misinformation has been circulating,
or at the very least you have just been making stuff up. This witnessed by
the fact that you have chosen NOT to call me or Cujo about this matter, and
have provably just hacked up some hairball of crap that you call the truth.
First, We'll dispense with the BS and stop pussyfooting around with
political correctness and just put it right out there. You are
attacking Cujo and me for resigning from the PWNA.
Here's the deal... First you are dead right...Mismanagement. It's why
we left. Call it quitting, resigning, or whatever helps you sleep at
night, but the fact of the matter is that the practices employed by the current officers and mangers of PWNA is abysmal. The decision making process is purely emotional, crashes the borders of the legal system, and thrives
on secrecy, deception, and evasion.
When we made attempts at fixing these issues, exposing the half-truths,
lies, deceptions, and all the other crap that was going on (you call
this not playing ball) we were rebuffed, rebuked, and personally attacked.
Anyone with enough mental acuity to fog a mirror could see what was happening and who is/was at fault, so we left. Your failure to see that here has now been clearly defined.
Now, on to the "new org"
It must be noted here for those following along at home that officially
there is no organization, just a group of like minded, passionate, and
intelligent individuals trying to improve the world they live in. There
may be an org in the future, but A LOT of work is yet to be done by A LOT
of people before this becomes reality. It appears though, that to Ron and
many other moon bats out in the world, the facts have little to do with
reality.
It has been made CRYSTAL clear to anyone who would care to listen, and
to the 100+ people who were in attendance at the roundtable (noticed YOU
didn't show up......) that Cujo and I are NOT seeking ANY position of
leadership in a new org.. AND we did NOT insert ourselves into this. Quite the
opposite in fact... We were INVITED to join the discussion. I am told that we were invited because some of the people involved respected our experience
with organizations and because we are considered to be successful
businessmen. It is clear that based on those qualifications, you missed the cut. Maybe the future holds better for you.
Money.... Well...let's see... Call Everett or Michael and see where the
money went. I'm sure that they'll fill you full of their version of the
facts. As you call them, see if they'll admit to being anywhere close
to $55,000 in the red. See if they'll admit to owing nearly $18,000 to
Everett for his EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT training classes... (no conflict of interest huh?)
Help ?? OK... If you are the man you claim to be, you'll get off your
ass and away from the computer and actually DO something.
If you are the mouse I think you are, you'll sit there and complain
about how much the rest of the world sucks, especially successful businessmen who are respected by their peers.
Given your lack of participation in the past, and exceptional amount of
crying and whining, I vote that you are a MOUSE.
Brian Penney
SIenterpLOGOFINALsmall
Brian Penney, President
PO Box 753
East Bridgewater, MA 02333
888-544-6444
From: Brian [mailto:SIhoodcleaning@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:20 PM
To: Chris Gibson, Field Supervisor
Subject: Ron
Chris
Please post this over on Ron's board form me as I can not log in. This
is my response to his horse****.
Ron
I'm not really sure where to begin, and I cannot believe that I'm
actually having to defend myself yet again to a bunch of conspiracy theory
myrmidons.
I'll type slowly so you can follow along. This will help you to avoid
the suffering humiliation of asking for help in translation later on.
You might want to give Don a call on this too so he can be straight
from here forward as well.
It appears that a fair amount of misinformation has been circulating,
or at the very least you have just been making stuff up. This witnessed by
the fact that you have chosen NOT to call me or Cujo about this matter, and
have provably just hacked up some hairball of crap that you call the truth.
First, We'll dispense with the BS and stop pussyfooting around with
political correctness and just put it right out there. You are
attacking Cujo and me for resigning from the PWNA.
Here's the deal... First you are dead right...Mismanagement. It's why
we left. Call it quitting, resigning, or whatever helps you sleep at
night, but the fact of the matter is that the practices employed by the current officers and mangers of PWNA is abysmal. The decision making process is purely emotional, crashes the borders of the legal system, and thrives
on secrecy, deception, and evasion.
When we made attempts at fixing these issues, exposing the half-truths,
lies, deceptions, and all the other crap that was going on (you call
this not playing ball) we were rebuffed, rebuked, and personally attacked.
Anyone with enough mental acuity to fog a mirror could see what was happening and who is/was at fault, so we left. Your failure to see that here has now been clearly defined.
Now, on to the "new org"
It must be noted here for those following along at home that officially
there is no organization, just a group of like minded, passionate, and
intelligent individuals trying to improve the world they live in. There
may be an org in the future, but A LOT of work is yet to be done by A LOT
of people before this becomes reality. It appears though, that to Ron and
many other moon bats out in the world, the facts have little to do with
reality.
It has been made CRYSTAL clear to anyone who would care to listen, and
to the 100+ people who were in attendance at the roundtable (noticed YOU
didn't show up......) that Cujo and I are NOT seeking ANY position of
leadership in a new org.. AND we did NOT insert ourselves into this. Quite the
opposite in fact... We were INVITED to join the discussion. I am told that we were invited because some of the people involved respected our experience
with organizations and because we are considered to be successful
businessmen. It is clear that based on those qualifications, you missed the cut. Maybe the future holds better for you.
Money.... Well...let's see... Call Everett or Michael and see where the
money went. I'm sure that they'll fill you full of their version of the
facts. As you call them, see if they'll admit to being anywhere close
to $55,000 in the red. See if they'll admit to owing nearly $18,000 to
Everett for his EXCLUSIVE CONTRACT training classes... (no conflict of interest huh?)
Help ?? OK... If you are the man you claim to be, you'll get off your
ass and away from the computer and actually DO something.
If you are the mouse I think you are, you'll sit there and complain
about how much the rest of the world sucks, especially successful businessmen who are respected by their peers.
Given your lack of participation in the past, and exceptional amount of
crying and whining, I vote that you are a MOUSE.
Brian Penney
SIenterpLOGOFINALsmall
Brian Penney, President
PO Box 753
East Bridgewater, MA 02333
888-544-6444
Scott Stone
New member
I used to be able to check on that stuff, but can't anymore. I did try, though.
Russ Spence
Commercial Pressure Wash Expert
I cant get it by his email address Chris , I need his sign in name and I can reset it for him.
Thad
WCR Sales & Founder PWRA
No money has exchanged hands yet, but it will if anything pans out.
I did not insinuate that all of you who would volunteer your time are up to something you ought not be. Please don't put words in my mouth. If I make a statement about motives or agenda it will be direct and require no interpretation.
Right now my take on it is, "Meet the new Boss. Same as the old Boss."
Maybe I'm just implacably cynical but I'm entitled to my personal opinion and I reserve the right to change it as the facts present themselves.
I'm not interested in debating it nor am I planning to snipe from the sidelines.
It would be wonderful if something actually came out of a national org but I just don't believe that 'Big Org' can help the individual contractor and more than big government helps small business owners.
Just label me 'Pessimist' and ignore me.
Scott, when did that change? your and assistant admin. Oh I remember why we had to lock that down. You should have full access to anything, Russ we need to e-mail Mike and get those things changed. Grant needs to share the controls if he has stepped down.
Former admins are invited and requested to stay on with full access for future. Scott was once the admin and should have complete control.
The only admin that does not is Mike H.
Do to practical jokes in the past i will refrain from comments on this post until Mr. Penny can ask with his own IP address.
In the past to much Joking has gone on. I still think it may all be and elaborate april fools from 2007.
all Joking aside I know some will understand and some will not. I have no way of verifying this was Brians Own words.
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