My first time to the grime Scene in a awhile ..WOW

Ron Musgraves

Ron Musgraves

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Same Characters , same Story, Same HATE


Thread Closed Here no reason to talk, just look at the pattern.

Thad, Rob, Mike , Matt and most important the queen of Hate BETh. ( Anyone in Association with these Fools are just that)

You see Steve over at JR is a Direct competitor of Thad PWRA & Chris WCR business.

Its all Crystal Clear to have there minions down everyone and everything that they do not own. The silly folks that get used in these types of things are starting to get hilarious.

I've lost the respect for many and frankly do not care any longer who stands with me or against me.

Be smarter and make your own choices and decisions Based on your own experiences not others.

We watch these People repeat these behaviors over and over and over. Hurting those who like ourselves just are trying to run a business, with no merit or factual claims make false accusations and Slanderous statements. Often making them enough till someones hurt, yet they think its a Game. Please stop supporting this type of behavior in our industry.

We can all be better than this!!!!

Most of all Respect yourself and realize to deal with people at Face Value.
 
Wow just read that thread, AMAZING. Gotta run do a job real quick but will post my thoughts on it later.
 
I think we really need to understand that none of that was about Steve at JR. Although I believe the boards shouldn't be all "Rainbows & Unicorns" I don't think it should be a "you're either with us or against us" attitude.

I think with all the friction going on now it's better to extend a hand of friendship (And Leadership) that stoke the fires of division & discord.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
I think we really need to understand that none of that was about Steve at JR. Although I believe the boards shouldn't be all "Rainbows & Unicorns" I don't think it should be a "you're either with us or against us" attitude.

I think with all the friction going on now it's better to extend a hand of friendship (And Leadership) that stoke the fires of division & discord.
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Keep extending that hand, don't get bit like I did.

Sorta funny stuff , slip up to being completely obvious.


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Guy Blackmon said:
I think we really need to understand that none of that was about Steve at JR. Although I believe the boards shouldn't be all "Rainbows & Unicorns" I don't think it should be a "you're either with us or against us" attitude.

I think with all the friction going on now it's better to extend a hand of friendship (And Leadership) that stoke the fires of division & discord.
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George Bush used to extend his hand. lol. Now look what we've got!

How's this for extending a hand?

1) When you were in Tampa a couple of years ago Ron singlehandedly increased the membership of the PWNA more than it has ever been increased since it's inception.

2) When Robert presented the BMP's we all (including yourself) enthusiastically tried to help in making them.

3) When Jim made up his story about not being able to clean a garage (in March of this year) I called to try to get him a non-union garage to clean so the attendees at his event would be able to do what they came for.

What were the results?

1) The PWNA sent Mike Hilborne to conduct surveillance on Ron to try to determine the extent of his business.

2) Robert ignored all of our suggestions and used our logo to try to force them on regulators.

3) Jim sent videos of my son's work claiming he was polluting and they called the city on my house claiming I had "hazardous waste" stored there.

Guy, there comes a time when the hand of friendship has been slapped away so much that the hand needs to become a fist.

That time is here.
 
Tony Shelton said:
George Bush used to extend his hand. lol. Now look what we've got!

How's this for extending a hand?

1) When you were in Tampa a couple of years ago Ron singlehandedly increased the membership of the PWNA more than it has ever been increased since it's inception.

2) When Robert presented the BMP's we all (including yourself) enthusiastically tried to help in making them.

3) When Jim made up his story about not being able to clean a garage (in March of this year) I called to try to get him a non-union garage to clean so the attendees at his event would be able to do what they came for.

What were the results?

1) The PWNA sent Mike Hilborne to conduct surveillance on Ron to try to determine the extent of his business.

2) Robert ignored all of our suggestions and used our logo to try to force them on regulators.

3) Jim sent videos of my son's work claiming he was polluting and they called the city on my house claiming I had "hazardous waste" stored there.

Guy, there comes a time when the hand of friendship has been slapped away so much that the hand needs to become a fist.

That time is here.
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No argument with any of your points Tony, none at all.....and all true.

But when is the time going to come to come together?
 
Guy I appreciate your intent. However think about it this way. If like many of us you have friendly competitors that you sometimes refer work to you also likely have that one (maybe more) company that has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they can't be worked with. We all have them. Do you continue to send them work when they keep trying to discredit you and ruin your business? Wouldn't that be naive?
The same applies here - it's naive to think these individuals can be trusted or worked with. They've proven beyond a doubt what their intentions are and that they won't change. History is full of people who hoped for the best and ignored the clear signs and suffered the consequences. The industry can only come together when these types are pushed aside and forced to accept the consequences of their bad behavior.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
No argument with any of your points Tony, none at all.....and all true.

But when is the time going to come to come together?
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Guy, sadly I don't think that time will ever come.

There are those among us who have no qualms about lying to us or doing whatever it takes to advance their own income no matter who it hurts.

Not only will they not change, they see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

The only way to ever come together is for all of us to devolve into that mentality and join them.

Personally, if that is what most contractors want, I will bow out and remove myself from all of this. My company has nothing to gain or lose either way.

These men and women contractors (including yourself) on the boards and at the events have saved me thousands of dollars on repair, chemicals and techniques. I have learned business sales techniques that have grown my business.

For that I am thankful and have tried to show it by spending time, money and effort to help keep our industry from the pitfalls and illogical thinking that has destroyed the market for small contractors in other industries like HVAC and soon to be KEC.

The stuff on TGS right now is the result of letting part timers who have never had to worry about how their families are going to eat take over the board. I think that is a good thing. The member list for that board is a good reference for new guys to look at to determine who's advice is generally worthless.

Just like Pontillo telling everyone over there that you shouldn't leave a thermostat bypassed for long. It just goes to show the ignorance that prevails over there when there is no one left who has enough sense to set him straight.

AC has a product that guys buy and use and start making money right away. If his method was so bad it would die out eventually without the help of the weekend warrior government teat suckers who are so afraid of losing their beer and ATV money. But AC's method and equipment is working and they don't like it.

If Racenstein wasn't doing something right, the latest "org" andinternet sales team who can't make a living powerwashing wouldn't have to hijack their threads about events.

No, We can't and shouldn't always work together. You can't fix stupid. Sometimes you just have to avoid it.





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Tony Shelton said:
Guy, sadly I don't think that time will ever come.

There are those among us who have no qualms about lying to us or doing whatever it takes to advance their own income no matter who it hurts.

Not only will they not change, they see nothing wrong with what they are doing.

The only way to ever come together is for all of us to devolve into that mentality and join them.

Personally, if that is what most contractors want, I will bow out and remove myself from all of this. My company has nothing to gain or lose either way.

These men and women contractors (including yourself) on the boards and at the events have saved me thousands of dollars on repair, chemicals and techniques. I have learned business sales techniques that have grown my business.

For that I am thankful and have tried to show it by spending time, money and effort to help keep our industry from the pitfalls and illogical thinking that has destroyed the market for small contractors in other industries like HVAC and soon to be KEC.

The stuff on TGS right now is the result of letting part timers who have never had to worry about how their families are going to eat take over the board. I think that is a good thing. The member list for that board is a good reference for new guys to look at to determine who's advice is generally worthless.

Just like Pontillo telling everyone over there that you shouldn't leave a thermostat bypassed for long. It just goes to show the ignorance that prevails over there when there is no one left who has enough sense to set him straight.

AC has a product that guys buy and use and start making money right away. If his method was so bad it would die out eventually without the help of the weekend warrior government teat suckers who are so afraid of losing their beer and ATV money. But AC's method and equipment is working and they don't like it.

If Racenstein wasn't doing something right, the latest "org" andinternet sales team who can't make a living powerwashing wouldn't have to hijack their threads about events.

No, We can't and shouldn't always work together. You can't fix stupid. Sometimes you just have to avoid it.





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Never looked at it from that point some don't even have a business much less part-time.

That's the common denominator , part timers or distributors in disguise.

That's funny Toni , matt distributor , Thad distributor, Pontillo graiglist , Beth sells ads to distributors, Chris distributor association for profit.

It's comical at best!!!

They will continue to fool the stupid guys looking for answers they don't have.

Funny Ac does produce and your right if the products not good it will fail all on its own. How ever I don't see that happening soon.

JRC will continue to have a successful west coast show with lots of people in attendance. No one can stop it!!!

I love it that these people think they matter!! Lol




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Guy, I know that there are guys over on the other sites that will never want everyone to become "together" for a purpose or cause, that is just their personality.

Look at a some of them always trying to create drama so that when people that are being attacked again (like many, many times this year) respond, the people responding to these attacks are now being accused of creating the "drama" like it has happened so many times already.
 
Christopher said:
Guy, I know that there are guys over on the other sites that will never want everyone to become "together" for a purpose or cause, that is just their personality.

Look at a some of them always trying to create drama so that when people that are being attacked again (like many, many times this year) respond, the people responding to these attacks are now being accused of creating the "drama" like it has happened so many times already.
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So many times can't count


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Here, I am offering a hand:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/05/y9y6ydy6.jpg


On the other hand, here is what comes to my phone from them:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/06/aza8a9yv.jpg


This is their idea of "coming together". Notice that fat picture was forwarded to Robert before he sent it on to me. Who knows how many other scumbags it went through?

Working together. No thanks. I don't want my name associated with that kind of crap.


I can't get these pictures to show up in the thread. If someone can fix it I would appreciate it.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Here, I am offering a hand:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/05/y9y6ydy6.jpg


On the other hand, here is what comes to my phone from them:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/06/aza8a9yv.jpg


This is their idea of "coming together". Notice that fat picture was forwarded to Robert before he sent it on to me. Who knows how many other scumbags it went through?

Working together. No thanks. I don't want my name associated with that kind of crap.


I can't get these pictures to show up in the thread. If someone can fix it I would appreciate it.
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So you get blamed for them getting their garage cleaning canceled, and then offer to help them find another one????
 
Was gonna post some comments about that thread on TGS, but after reading it and the updates all I can think of is "Hurting People Hurt People". Sad, really really Sad.
 
It was all BS Doug.

Jim told some people he couldn't clean the garage because of Labor Union issues. Those people told me so I tried to help.

Then he told some people he couldn't clean it because I interfered and kept him from getting the permit from the AHJs. ---- The emails prove that not only is that false, but they never even required him to get a permit in the first place.

Now he has Allison unknowingly falsely reporting that the reason he couldn't clean it was because the Rio required a higher insurance coverage. Rio events staff says that is false too.

He didn't even bring down his pressure washing trailer from California. What does that tell you about what his intentions were on cleaning a garage?

What is the matter with these people Doug?
 
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