Montana vs the federal govt on Guns

Alexy

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law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana . The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal – confiscation of privately owned firearms.

Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

Important Points – If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA , the very document that empowers the USA ..

Silencers made in Montana and sol in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.

Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.

Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters.

There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana .. Way to go Montana !

Discussion – Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they will probably vote to secede from the USA . The governor of Texas has already been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the USA . Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.

Text of the New Law
HOUSE BILL NO. 246
INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA ; AND PROVIDING AN APPLICABILITY DATE.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA :
Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the "Montana Firearms Freedom Act".
Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
(1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.
(4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana , and the right exists, as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:
(1) "Borders of Montana " means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.
(2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.
(3) " Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
(4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.
Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana .
Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
(1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
(2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana " clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.
Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].
Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009
 
How awesome is that? If they start creating debt-free money I'm moving. Remember in our country - Creator made us, we made states, states made federal gov.
 
Go Montana. Go Texas. I wish some more states would grow some stones and start pushing the power grabbing idiots in Washington back.
 
Yea but we got all the Titty Bars!!!! Pawn shops and gun stores!!!
 
We dont need the Federal goverment in Arizona. Beleive me its all hype...they will not allow it to happen. We will move our own Army agaist the contsitution on our own people.

Depsite the problems they will call it national security or Marshal law.

Its not good because separated we are only weaker to our enemys.

Even though they may already be tearing us apart from the inside out.
 
I knew that I always loved Montana. If that indeed does happen, watch the population in Montana sky rocket..
 
Finally a state that shows it has some sense.

I traveled Montana for a year of their "reasonable and prudent speed limit". One time we went over 100 miles with a group of other cars only dipping below 90 mph a couple of times. It was a wonderful thing.

But I heard they cowered down to the government in 1999 and reduced it back to 75mph.

Maybe that was the last straw and Montana's ready to break out!

I hope so.

This country needs a COMPLETE reorganization BACK to it's ORIGINAL organization.
 
This country needs a COMPLETE reorganization BACK to it's ORIGINAL organization.

This country needs to remember that it is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, with a limited amount of government and enough laws to keep the peace. Not to tax and spend on welfare and social programs, Unfortunately, I don't give this government or country 30 years before it is done. I pray for my 5 yr old daughter.
 
This country needs to remember that it is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, with a limited amount of government and enough laws to keep the peace. Not to tax and spend on welfare and social programs, Unfortunately, I don't give this government or country 30 years before it is done. I pray for my 5 yr old daughter.

I'm just glad Im young enough to see my kids through all this in the coming decades.
 
Lots of advantages to being in MT. They also just outlawed redlight cameras. Unlawful third party law enforcement. If LE wants to catch you they have to be present and witness it themselves.
Disadvantage, unemployment around 13% here in the valley, jobs are scarce...even my own.
 
I traveled Montana for a year of their "reasonable and prudent speed limit". One time we went over 100 miles with a group of other cars only dipping below 90 mph a couple of times. It was a wonderful thing.

But I heard they cowered down to the government in 1999 and reduced it back to 75mph.

Maybe that was the last straw and Montana's ready to break out!

I hope so.

This country needs a COMPLETE reorganization BACK to it's ORIGINAL organization.

Hey Tony---

Check this out--I was driving through Montana in late 99', the speed limits had just been added (75mph). I was somewhere between Billings and GreatFalls, at night, and got pulled over going about 95mph (not unsafe or anything, flat, straight, and hardly any ditch....drive straight into fields).

Lady cop comes up to the window, "did you know you were speeding, etc". Anyways, she says "For the first 10mph over, the fine is $20, $30 for the next 10mph, etc". Then she says "but you were in between the first two, so I'll just make it a $20 citation. Now, the state is so large and it is unrealistic to expect anyone to come to court, and one option we have is to pay on the spot."

So anyways, she writes me a ticket, gives me a receipt, I pay her $20, and I was on my way within about 10 minutes!

I thought that was pretty cool.....do the crime and get it over with right then and there.

Everywhere in MT is amazing. Even the flat Eastern parts. I think Missoula is probably the greatest mid-size city in the U.S.
 
Hey Tony---

Check this out--I was driving through Montana in late 99', the speed limits had just been added (75mph). I was somewhere between Billings and GreatFalls, at night, and got pulled over going about 95mph (not unsafe or anything, flat, straight, and hardly any ditch....drive straight into fields).

Lady cop comes up to the window, "did you know you were speeding, etc". Anyways, she says "For the first 10mph over, the fine is $20, $30 for the next 10mph, etc". Then she says "but you were in between the first two, so I'll just make it a $20 citation. Now, the state is so large and it is unrealistic to expect anyone to come to court, and one option we have is to pay on the spot."

So anyways, she writes me a ticket, gives me a receipt, I pay her $20, and I was on my way within about 10 minutes!

I thought that was pretty cool.....do the crime and get it over with right then and there.

Everywhere in MT is amazing. Even the flat Eastern parts. I think Missoula is probably the greatest mid-size city in the U.S.

I love it in the summer there, but living after having a service area of MT, ND, SD I don't think I'm cut out for the winters.
Now, with the minimal govt. interference is the state of Montana a haven for criminals? How about car accidents? I'd like to see the statistics on car accidents in comparison with other states. There's no reason other states can't be like Montana. Nevada is close. RARELY do you ever see a speed trap in Southern Nevada. We are a conglomeration of people from all over the country yet I travel from one end of town to the other sometimes two to 4 times per day averaging around 80-90mph along with a string of others in the fast lane. I love this place. (Just don't look at a cop the wrong way, they shoot you for anything here)
 
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