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Or does anyone even care that we are represented to others by these deceivers?

That My Friend Is The Million Dollar Question........I Know What My Answer Is..........Are there any PW$A Members here? Do You know you're supporting this type of activity with your Membership? You're OK with That?........Really?

All great points Tony
 
For those that have not cleaned oily or greasy areas, the oil/grease floats on top of the oil as it is less dense than water.

When you look at the picture of the drain you can easily see leaves under the water with no sheen (oil) or dark oil there in the water.

Anyone that knows anything about oil in water will see that there is no oil in that drain at all and if there was some oil going there, it would float on top of the water and not go down the drain unless the level dropped as oil will not sink in the water when it is flowing normally like in the picture.

I agree Tony, I don't know if Jim is just lying like normally or if he is really just an idiot, who knows?

It is a shame that people out there are listening to him, falling for his B.S., falling for his lies and the worst part, he is still using scare tactics with the customers there, it would be nice if people and customers read these forums to see the truth and be able to see the lies being exposed here for the world to see.
 
I may be wrong, but wouldn't a layer of oil make it impossible for algae to grow?
 
I may be wrong, but wouldn't a layer of oil make it impossible for algae to grow?

It's oilgae. Jim will be teaching a class on it at their convention.

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Wednesday will be two months since we drove to Ty's business, presented our issues about Robert's BMPs as Ty responded "I will get back to you in a week".

I think we have reached out to them and given then plenty of opportunity to discuss issues that can adversely effect our entire industry. Two months is plenty of time for true professionals to get together and at least present a unanimous response to our concerns. He asked for them. We provided them. They ignored them.

How much more can we do as an org?

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There are no other options than to publicly discredit them and expose the dishonesty.

Are we ready to dig into what really happened with Orange County regarding who knew what and when? Yes, timing and who knew what changes everything.

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Wednesday will be two months since we drove to Ty's business, presented our issues about Robert's BMPs as Ty responded "I will get back to you in a week".

I think we have reached out to them and given then plenty of opportunity to discuss issues that can adversely effect our entire industry. Two months is plenty of time for true professionals to get together and at least present a unanimous response to our concerns. He asked for them. We provided them. They ignored them.

How much more can we do as an org?

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So frustrating!
 
There are no other options than to publicly discredit them and expose the dishonesty.

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I feel like this action should have already been started. A long time ago. If a liar calls you a liar the first thing you do is publicly discredit them and expose their dishonesty, clearing your good name of any wrong doing. I know it's easier said than done but the train doesn't move until the wheels start rolling.
 
There are no other options than to publicly discredit them and expose the dishonesty.

Are we ready to dig into what really happened with Orange County regarding who knew what and when? Yes, timing and who knew what changes everything.

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What happened to the unbiased reporter doing the thorough investigation on why the pwna lied to the orange county people and why robert hinderliter lied to others?

I thought I read that it would be investigated. Hmmmmmmmm..........................
 
It was, it is just that the investigation did not yield the desired results, and it was impossible to change the result.
 
So, the truth is that robert hinderliter and the pwna lied to everyone and the reporter or investigator did not want to confirm the lies or did not want to let it out that everyone was lied to?
 
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