Intervention

One of our friends lost his wife of 24 years, a multimillion dollar business, a seven million dollar home and a bunch of BMW's and a $130k Mercedes in the span of five years. Started by taking a few Hydrocodones, then started drinking again and went down from there.

Now he lives with some skank in a downtown apartment.

Sad again. He was a really nice and generous man at one time.

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the old saying is you can go from Yale to jail, addiction has zero boundries, it does not discriminate one bit. Relapse is a sure thing for most addicts, for some it can take years to get a good grasp on sobriety. there is no cure and you cannot recover from this disease, one can only practice recovery on a daily basis. The absolute hardest thing for a addict to do is get sober, and i mean really sober, not the marijuana maintenance type sober.
 
Thats good that several people on the board can speak about this in an adult manner heck some cant even spell.I have seen first hand the power of addiction,and it doesnt discriminate either.Local glass shop owner here was 45 years old before he got introduced to crack cocaine and lost it all with 8 monthsWhen i was a police man i saw a married couple in a crack house an when we walked in the female was turning a trick with the husband right there beside them watching.That one of the saddest things i have ever seen.That will wake you up for sure.There is to much money involved to really stop it.I think they could stop it if they really wanted to.
 
Guy i have tons of personal experiance. I was 21 drinking heavy everyday and then that led to doing cocaine everday. After about 4 or 5 months of that i woke up one afternoon and was like what the hell am i doing. I stopped drinking stop doing coke. Just like that. I realized theres more to life that that shit. I have never touched coke or any other drug since. But i am still able to have a few drink here and there without getting sloppy. Matter of fact i cant stand drunk people now. There are other avenues besides Na and AA to help you stop your habit. I have had other people in my life that had a hard time with other heavy drugs and they are now jut like the average person who does not crave drugs. Do they have a couple of drinks here and there? Sure. But with the help of others they realize right and wrong.

The goverment has said its a disease becuase they can make money off of it.

I feel bad for people who cant stop using or whatever but if they really wanted to stop then they really could.

This is my opinion and i do have real world experiance to validate.

If my opinions offend you then im sorry but this is how i feel.
 
Then Michael your case is simple, you are not an addict.five months of partying is not real worl experience to addiction, it's just five months of partying. i will use addict as a generic term for all addictions whether its booze, drugs, gambling etc. for someone To claim that addiction is not a disease is in my opinion someone that has no idea what addiction really is. then OCD is not real either? people can just stop? I believe that there is a chemical imbalance in the brain that triggers a different reaction in certain people when they do certain things.

please explain how the goverment MAKES money off of addiction

dave macs post beat me to it
 
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Michael DeRose said:
Guy i have tons of personal experiance. I was 21 drinking heavy everyday and then that led to doing cocaine everday. After about 4 or 5 months of that i woke up one afternoon and was like what the hell am i doing. I stopped drinking stop doing coke. Just like that. I realized theres more to life that that shit. I have never touched coke or any other drug since. But i am still able to have a few drink here and there without getting sloppy. Matter of fact i cant stand drunk people now. There are other avenues besides Na and AA to help you stop your habit. I have had other people in my life that had a hard time with other heavy drugs and they are now jut like the average person who does not crave drugs. Do they have a couple of drinks here and there? Sure. But with the help of others they realize right and wrong.

The goverment has said its a disease becuase they can make money off of it.

I feel bad for people who cant stop using or whatever but if they really wanted to stop then they really could.

This is my opinion and i do have real world experiance to validate.

If my opinions offend you then im sorry but this is how i feel.
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Offended Mike ???? I'm usually repulsed by the word offended, but in this case and the above quote does just that, it offends me!

You have no idea what addiction is! You have absolutely no "Real World Experience!"

You think 4 or 5 months of getting high gives you an educated insight into addiction????? You're beyond ignorant.

Your story was......cute. I can tell you ones that will put you in therapy. Bud I was living large in my disease when you were crapping on yourself, again don't pretend to know anything about addiction because you have no clue.

I don't just feel bad for people with addictions, I actually do something about it, but that's another story.

Get back to me when you can tell me about 10, 20, or 30 years of addiction and the stories that go with that time. Other than that you should just stay out of this thread because you're making yourself look just like you are.......A Fool.
 
Ive wanted to ask if there were friends of bill wilson on this board. but the the one that didnt know what i meant would just say yea i talk to him at pauls store all the time. lol.
 
The Lord can certainly be the higher power you believe that can restore one to sanity. But in cases of addiction it simply matters one just simply believe in a power greater than themselves...a God of their own understanding. Meetings are places where addicts can identify with each other since most addicts feel alone and unique. One might even say "wow dude, that's some story, youre really f*cked in the head ain't you", possibly even laughing with identification. Hopefully the addict will say, "well if he/she can do it, so can I!".

Which brings me to the story of the dude stuck in a big ditch: A doctor walks by and writes the dude a perscription, then a therapist comes to help by talking the dude through it. But they can't quite get the guy out. Another guy walks by and jumps right into the hole with the dude. The dude says "WTF? Now we're both stuck!". The guy says "Don't worry. I've been in this hole before. I know the way out."
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Offended Mike ???? I'm usually repulsed by the word offended, but in this case and the above quote does just that, it offends me!

You have no idea what addiction is! You have absolutely no "Real World Experience!"

You think 4 or 5 months of getting high gives you an educated insight into addiction????? You're beyond ignorant.

Your story was......cute. I can tell you ones that will put you in therapy. Bud I was living large in my disease when you were crapping on yourself, again don't pretend to know anything about addiction because you have no clue.

I don't just feel bad for people with addictions, I actually do something about it, but that's another story.

Get back to me when you can tell me about 10, 20, or 30 years of addiction and the stories that go with that time. Other than that you should just stay out of this thread because you're making yourself look just like you are.......A Fool.
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Guy without getting into my personal history. I had someone really close to me battle with meth. We found a place in new york called saint judes. The teach you how to not depend on your " sponsor" but depend on yourself to help you stop and live a normal life without the dependency of drugs or whatever.

So now there is a timeline to where you are considered an " addict". If your offended then o well your were trained by na and that is your mindset to defend.

Also i would not go start shooting up just to see if i can stop or not becuase i know it is hard to kick and i just aint that stupid.

This is my last post on this topic have fun in recovery.
 
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Guy, do you believe that a cry for help from the Lord and a complete surrender can be sufficient to bring complete healing?

Or do you believe it can only be conquered through therapists, meetings, etc?
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I can only tell you from personal experience Tony that it begins with surrendering fully to our Lord & Savior. Then he will direct your path. That could mean Doctors, therapists, meetings or none of that at all. For me it began with Prayer, lots of Prayer, then meetings, meetings not only to help me but for me to help others.

Mike I'd like to apologize, not for what I said (meant every word) but for how I said it.

Addiction is a very personal subject for me, it has touched me & my Family in horrible ways.

We all have our stories.
 
Michael DeRose said:
Guy without getting into my personal history. I had someone really close to me battle with meth. We found a place in new york called saint judes. The teach you how to not depend on your " sponsor" but depend on yourself to help you stop and live a normal life without the dependency of drugs or whatever.

So now there is a timeline to where you are considered an " addict". If your offended then o well your were trained by na and that is your mindset to defend.

Also i would not go start shooting up just to see if i can stop or not becuase i know it is hard to kick and i just aint that stupid.

This is my last post on this topic have fun in recovery.
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See Mike you still don't get it. It's not about "Where or How" you got into recovery, it's about staying in recovery and living a life without the addictions that can and will destroy your life.

Nowhere in my post did I say NA or AA is the only way to sobriety. It doesn't work for some people and that's cool, as long as they seek help and they find the path to sobriety........I Don't Care How They Got There.

I found sobriety through the Lord & the teachings of AA, it was a 20 year battle, and it continues til the day I die.

Again, I'm not offended by anything you say againest AA or NA, I'm offended by the Ignorance of what you think you know about addiction.

Everyday without a drink for me is not only "fun" it's Great!
 
Ed Thompson said:
Which brings me to the story of the dude stuck in a big ditch: A doctor walks by and writes the dude a perscription, then a therapist comes to help by talking the dude through it. But they can't quite get the guy out. Another guy walks by and jumps right into the hole with the dude. The dude says "WTF? Now we're both stuck!". The guy says "Don't worry. I've been in this hole before. I know the way out."
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I love that saying Ed. There's no better feeling in the world when you can be the guy that says to another.....I've been here before, I know the way out.......and be able to help that person.
 
Tony,

My old college roommate and best man has an uncle who has been battling addiction to cocaine for years. I have known him for years. He has had a construction company that made money when the economy took a dive. He was building homes when others were not. Unfortunately I have seen him go from making tons of money to selling and pawning his equipment and vehicles when the habit hit back. Hopefully one day he will stay sober for good, and I hope you friend is able to right himself.

To those who have shared their stories of addiction, thank you. Hopefully by you sharing someone will realize all is not lost.

When I was PD I saw so many lost souls to addiction. Obviously after working the same area over and over again you see the same people. Some would be arrested for larceny trying to support their habit. Others would be reporting their car stolen for the 5th or 6th time in a months time. These people need to get their fix so bad that they if they do not have money, they would trade their car to a dealer for a period of time and when the dealer does not return the car as promised they would report the car stolen. Nobody who was not suffering from addiction would ever let someone they do not know borrow their car.

Occasionally I saw people able to right themselves and it was amazing. There was an addict in my district who we would deal with over and over. She had been busted for larceny, prostitution, and other crimes relating to her drug use. Every night she would be outside walking around like a zombie (no other way to describe it) Even when it was raining and 33 degrees she was out there, all night long. I did not know her before she spiraled downward but looking at her past booking photos you could see her transformation. Lost a lot of weight, so much that she was practically just skin and bones. The eyes also told stories. They appeared dull and lifeless as the photos progressed. Fortunately the house she was staying in burned down at which point she went to go live with her family elsewhere in the city. Fastforward a couple of years I bumped into her downtown while she was on a lunch break from working as a legal assistant. A job she had prior to her struggles but was unable to maintain while using.

Unfortunately there are tons of stories that do not end like hers. There was another guy I dealt with who lived in another city. He would come to ours to buy dope. Putting himself in danger going to an area he did not belong in, dealing with violent dangerous thugs. I once told him the path he was on he would die either overdosing or at the hands of a dealer. Got a call for man shot, when I arrived he was lying face down but still breathing. Rolled him over and saw who it was. He took his last breath in the projects, crying for his mom. The killer was arrested later. Killed him because the guy was short on cash and asked for a discount.

I have many other stories. I know addiction is real and I cannot fathom why others do not.
 
recovery is a full time job in the begining, then after some time it gets easier. but never for a minute think that you are cured, it just doesnt work that way. every day one must put their sobriety above EVERYTHIN, bills, kids, wife/husband etc, because what good are you to your kids if you are using. for me its been over 10 years so life is easier then before. if i was using i wouldnt be here typing
 
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Steven, I'm not sure I agree with that.

I believe one can be "cured". After a period of time I don't think we are any different from anybody else. Most people are potential addicts. All they need is the means and the desire.

Every person is different. I have no desire whatsoever to return to my bondage. Zero. Even having been exposed to people doing it, I still have no desire. I don't even recognize the person I was for that period of time. It seems like a century ago.

Oh, I can still remember, but I don't have to fight it on a daily basis and rarely ever even think about it. It is a closed book that has been put away on the shelf only to be opened for experience references such as these.

I'd put my personal experience up against anybody here. And that includes you Guy. I didn't go through a "party" phase.

Maybe that is why it is easy for me. I have been forgiven much.

That's probably why some of these guys who've never been through it have no understanding of it. Some of them are disgusted that we participated. Some of them are jealous because we did, and came out of it still blessed. Still others feel they are somehow morally superior to us. The same thing goes for people who have never experienced wrath of the judicial system.

Luke 7:47 "I tell you, her sins--and they are many--have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love."
 
Evert thing i say on this topic comes from my personal experience with addiction. I cannot speak for anyone else. I am an addict and I will ALWAYS be an addict. I have learned the tools and have had the support to not use today. Like you Tony, I to have put on many miles since my last round. But i cannot think for one second that my addiction is gone, It is still there, supressed deep in the back of my mind, but still there. If i forget and think that i can have that one hit, or one drink or one whatever, I will only cause pain. Let me say that i am in remission.

Again like you I have been forgiven 100 times over and that is a beautiful thing. God has saved me from a life that was filled with misery and because of that i am truely blessed.
 
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