Intervention

Tony Shelton

Tony Shelton

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Do any of you guys ever see "Intervention" episodes?

We watch them occasionally. It reminds me that "but by the Grace of God go I".

Sometimes it's funny to watch what a delusional state these addicted people are in.

But tonight I watched the saddest episode I've ever seen. Rarely do you see a man beat down like this guy.

Here is the full episode:

http://www.aetv.com/intervention/video/dennis-33477226#33477226
 
Tony Shelton said:
Do any of you guys ever see "Intervention" episodes?

We watch them occasionally. It reminds me that "but by the Grace of God go I".

Sometimes it's funny to watch what a delusional state these addicted people are in.

But tonight I watched the saddest episode I've ever seen. Rarely do you see a man beat down like this guy.

Here is the full episode:

http://www.aetv.com/intervention/video/dennis-33477226#33477226
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Tony , please tell me you were kidding when you wrote that sentence.
 
junker1 said:
Tony , please tell me you were kidding when you wrote that sentence.
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I meant it's funny as in strange. Here is the definition I intended.

Funny
2 : differing from the ordinary in a suspicious, perplexing, quaint, or eccentric way :

I guess I should have used the word "bizarre" instead.

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It saw that last night to its a terrible thing.The sad part about it it can happen to anybody at any income level.To someone who has never been around an addict or lived it these types of situations it might lead to ones belive that these people are just bums or garbage that cant do any better for themselves.If the drug market wasnt such big money maker for everybody involved it do belive it would and could be stopped.
 
Its all a mind set. You dont need to hit rock bottom to get "clean". To me that is one of the most idiotic rules of na aa or whatever. It is about taking control of you habbit. Yes habit. If you stop anything for 21 days then you can stop for life. Also if you slip up and do it again then you dont need to hit rock bottom before you can stop again. What happens if you go to hit rock bottom becuase that was what is brain washed in your head and then you die. Well i guess they think death is the end all stop.
Most people who do drugs or drink way to much just need to grow up and see that you dont have to be controlled by your habbit.

I also do not believe that drinking or doing drugs is a disease like cancer is a disease. To me that is just again idiotic.
 
Michael DeRose said:
Its all a mind set. You dont need to hit rock bottom to get "clean". To me that is one of the most idiotic rules of na aa or whatever. It is about taking control of you habbit. Yes habit. If you stop anything for 21 days then you can stop for life. Also if you slip up and do it again then you dont need to hit rock bottom before you can stop again. What happens if you go to hit rock bottom becuase that was what is brain washed in your head and then you die. Well i guess they think death is the end all stop.
Most people who do drugs or drink way to much just need to grow up and see that you dont have to be controlled by your habbit.

I also do not believe that drinking or doing drugs is a disease like cancer is a disease. To me that is just again idiotic.
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Ok here Mike let's be perfectly clear, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have every right to voice your opinion on something you obviously have no experience in or understand, but then that's just called ignorance.

There's no "rule" in aa or na that says you have to hit rock bottom. Rock bottom for people with addictions can be at different levels and is as different as the person with that addiction.

You say it's not a disease ok let's go with that.........if cancer runs in your family what's that called??? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

If alcohol or drug addiction runs in your family, what's that called? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

There are many many layers to addiction, it's not just "habit" or something that can be turned on and off like a light switch.

I would challenge you Mike to go out and shoot up for a month, smoke crack for a month, or get drunk everyday for a month and then get back to me with your thoughts on addictions, rock bottom, and habit.

Don't pretend to know jack till you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
 
Here's my take on it.

If you are in a semi truck going over a cliff you need power brakes. You can stand on that pedal as hard as you want. If you have momentum you aren't going to stop without those power brakes. There is nothing in you that can stop it. It simply is bigger than you are and more powerful than you.

But if you have power brakes you can stop. It won't be easy. It will still be frightening and if you don't keep your foot on the brakes you might go over eventually anyway.

God is our power brake. He can make the impossible happen. He provides what we can't. If he wants to he can stop the semi on his own, or even make a bridge at the cliff to give you more time.

But without him you will eventually go over the cliff.

I've seen it time and time again where a non-believer fights against a bad lifestyle and thinks they have it conquered only to find out they've replaced one bad habit with another.

The guy on this intervention was beat down.

In prison for something he didn't do.

His own father tried to rape his wife or did he? who knows? the wife lied about having an affair with his friend when he was in prison..........these are the kinds of thoughts that this man is having. I know. I've been there. He feels betrayed by everyone and at the same time feels like he's betraying everyone around him. He just wants to escape and forget about it. Meth is simply his private room where there is no confusing noise.

IF this man cried out to Jesus he could be healed. He could invoke the power that comes from above and achieve that clarity and peace he needs. But my guess he is afraid of that. He's probably afraid that he might fail again. He was already a Christian and he knows the power of the Lord, but I'm sure he doesn't think he deserves to invoke it.

Like I said, this is the saddest one I've ever seen. Many times these shows are about spoiled brats who blame Daddy or Mommy for everything. But this guy is hurt. Really bad. If he shows up in Las Vegas we will invite him to stay with us and try to show him through our own lives that he is valuable to the Lord.

Just very sad.
 
I say it's pretty much a disease. FDA approved. If anyone could discount the claim, the insurance companies would certainly be the first ones to do so. Just like those people who wash their hands down to the bone. And you don't necessarily have to hit that wicked bottom, when your given HJ's behind Walmart for $3. But the closer you come to wanting to blow your brains out, the easier it is to come to terms and do what you gotta do to get the help and follow all suggestions given.
 
Addiction is a terrible thing. I've seen what it's done to people up close and personal, and even had my own problems with addiction to simple things like cigarettes and soda, no joke. I had to fight hard to quit smoking cigarettes, and they can indeed be as bad as something like heroin. It took some serious medical issues to force me to stop, and I hated cigarettes. I've had friends lose everything to crack cocaine. Decent young men I grew up with, took a couple puffs, and next thing you know one of them is crashing vehicles being chased by police, and robbing the corner store for money.

Until something actually has a hold on you, you can't know what it's like, but once it does......good luck. It's power over your life is stronger than anyone on the outside looking in can imagine.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Ok here Mike let's be perfectly clear, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have every right to voice your opinion on something you obviously have no experience in or understand, but then that's just called ignorance.

There's no "rule" in aa or na that says you have to hit rock bottom. Rock bottom for people with addictions can be at different levels and is as different as the person with that addiction.

You say it's not a disease ok let's go with that.........if cancer runs in your family what's that called??? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

If alcohol or drug addiction runs in your family, what's that called? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

There are many many layers to addiction, it's not just "habit" or something that can be turned on and off like a light switch.

I would challenge you Mike to go out and shoot up for a month, smoke crack for a month, or get drunk everyday for a month and then get back to me with your thoughts on addictions, rock bottom, and habit.

Don't pretend to know jack till you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
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+100.

Addiction is terrible, I know first hand. I personaly can not watch five minutes of those shows. they are to familiar and to close to home. they do not make me laugh, they make me cry.
 
junker1 said:
+100.

Addiction is terrible, I know first hand. I personaly can not watch five minutes of those shows. they are to familiar and to close to home. they do not make me laugh, they make me cry.
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It takes quite a while before one is able to watch that without involuntary physical responses.

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Guy Blackmon said:
Ok here Mike let's be perfectly clear, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have every right to voice your opinion on something you obviously have no experience in or understand, but then that's just called ignorance.

There's no "rule" in aa or na that says you have to hit rock bottom. Rock bottom for people with addictions can be at different levels and is as different as the person with that addiction.

You say it's not a disease ok let's go with that.........if cancer runs in your family what's that called??? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

If alcohol or drug addiction runs in your family, what's that called? Would other family members be predisposed to it?

There are many many layers to addiction, it's not just "habit" or something that can be turned on and off like a light switch.

I would challenge you Mike to go out and shoot up for a month, smoke crack for a month, or get drunk everyday for a month and then get back to me with your thoughts on addictions, rock bottom, and habit.

Don't pretend to know jack till you've walked a mile in someone else's shoes.
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Still, people who are professionals can often help an addict. My question, no sarcasm or anything intended, is are all of these professionals former addicts, or are some of them just capable of learning from others' mistakes and passing on the right words and direction?
 
danwagner said:
Still, people who are professionals can often help an addict. My question, no sarcasm or anything intended, is are all of these professionals former addicts, or are some of them just capable of learning from others' mistakes and passing on the right words and direction?
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I would say to a certain point yes, but to that person deep in their disease I would say no, a professional that has not experienced addiction first hand cannot relate to the majority of patients, no way, no how.

You mean that a professional is gonna talk to a addict or alcoholic that has never "used" and be able to relate or help them on some level??? (Professional) Yea Buddy I know how you feel, yea Man been there done that.....Really? See what I mean? No Way.

Now the addict that is new in their addiction, a professional with no real world experience may be able to help them.
 
I have a guy( business owner) who rents rooms to people getting back on there feet. He is also someone that recovered. He calls when he has a good one to see if I can use them. Some are very very difficult to deal with because the have lost everything. People who have lost houses,boats,bikes,wife's,kids,family businesses are difficult to deal with because once they feel ok for a period of time the reality of loosing everything sets in . It's difficult for them to come to terms with starting over and having nothing. I've had three and all fell off the wagon.

One guy was great . He buffed an entire house for me. He had more hell raising stories from the time he was in high school into his forties. We laughed all day every day. He had sabatoged every relationship he ever had. The last check I gave him he fell deep off the wagon. I would give this guy another go at it.

This one waited for the liqueur store to open every morning. He fell asleep working on his house and it caught on fire. The house was condemned and couldn't be lived in which sent this guy into a severe downward spiral . This guy worked for 3 weeks and was good for one. After two weeks of working this guy was a pain in the bottom and i ended it quickly . Hurd he fell off the wagon . Had many people start calling me looking for this guy . No second chances here.

Another fell off the night before work was to start.

These are people who hit rock bottom and I believe in extra chances and new start ups but I think I would need people to have 6 months to a year of sobriety before I give chances again.
 
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