I'll be in Huntsville for Workshop

Like I have told many, many people and have posted many, many times on the various bbs's, Ron Musgraves has never given me any bad advice ever. They should be honored to have him attend the event.

I don't see how the event will be any different if Ron is there or not, he was not asked to speak, he will just be there attending. If he was asked to speak, it would be a great speech like the speeches that I have heard him talk about at various round tables in the past.

I can't imagine why someone would not want Ron to be there, it just does not make any sense to me at all. Sounds like some serious insecurity issues to me.

Here is an idea, for the crybabies that will not speak if Ron is there, maybe Ron can talk for an hour or after hours on selling commercial jobs, dealing with Property Managers or many of other topics that can make a huge difference in your business. This way people will still get a lot of value for their money for attending even though 1 or 2 did not want to speak because Ron is there.
 
The saying the proof is in the pudding comes to mind. They don't wan't Ron there but here when Ron could throw this event under the bus he doesn't. Instead like an adult he encourages those who are upset not to cancel on his behalf. These others are hiding behind Jeremy and not owning there insecurities. So who is interested in bettering the industry and who is trying to get one over on it?
 
Hey Ron if it was me and this happened I wouldn't go. Yes I'd be pissed at booking My rooms etc but I would be on the horn and canceling everything I booked ASAP. Hey I invited you at least 4 times to go to the PWNA convention when I was heavily involved and you never came. I get it. You had other plans or just lost interest. So i never expected you to show up when I was there and you didn't. There's always another venue and another day.

I know I wouldn't want to come to an event if I was told to not show up... There's alway other events that come up that you can choose to to. I wouldn't waste anymore time on this just forget about it and move on... Now if there is an important reason why they don't want you there then that's a bit different. It also depends on the reason. If it's important enough to you then go but Once again to you this should be nothing but a glitch until the next event around the corner whatever that may be.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Who are these speakers who will refuse to speak if Ron is there?

There are only four speakers who know who Ron Musgraves is.

Here they are:

April Dodson
Michael Kreisle
DJ Carroll
Thad Eckhoff

According to Doug, Jeremy said there are at least two speakers who said they will not speak if Ron is there.

Since all four of these have a presence on Pwi here is the opportunity to speak up and clear your name if you are not one of the two or more.

IF you are one of the two (or more) here is your chance to emerge from the shadows and let everyone in the powerwashing community why you would make the decision to refuse to speak if the President of the UAMCC is present.
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Is no one going to man up here?

With manicures, pedicures, picking up the soap for Bubba, and shopping around Nola for big wrist Adam's apple short skirt surprise it's no wonder testosterone is in short supply here.

But one would think at least one of them would step up and say "It wasn't me" unless it was all of them.

Great leadership for you Southern guys. You should be proud. ....... or you should be mad.

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I'm not starting any fights with anyone, My family and I are going to be attending the roundtable to listen to the speakers that said they will be there and the class to take everything has already been paid for in advance to attend so I do expect those people to show up. On the same side of the coin, Ron has a lot of knowledge in this industry and me being a paying contractor would love for Ron to make it there, All the roundtables I have been to Ron has been there and always give A+ ADVISE

If one of the four people do have a problem with Ron please contact him on his phone and get it solved, you don't have to put it on the boards for others to get upset. Just saying.

I WILL SEE YOU THERE RON!
 
It does need to be in the boards.

I've never met a stronger, more grounded, more honest, more sharing group in any other industry like the guys right here on PWI.

Unfortunately, mixed among them like thorns in the wheat are a bunch of whispering, accusing, wannabes and sissies that constantly get on the phone like a bunch of little teenage girls and whine about Ron with vague accusations.

Thad is one of the worst. Have you ever heard these hit songs from Thad?

"There's a lot more I could tell you but I'm not at liberty to say"

or

"It will all come out sooner or later, but I can't tell you more about it now"

or

"That's what I heard, but don't say anything about it to anybody else".


These are all famous hits Thad sings over and over again to anyone who will listen when he talks crap about Ron behind his back. He thinks he is very smooth about it and that he never says anything directly that can come back to haunt him. That way it's difficult to put together for the average contractor to put together 2 + 2 and realize that most of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is bull$hit.

I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is and lay it all out in print because I'm not afraid that I'm going to contradict a lie I told somewhere along the way. Why are these other guys not willing to do the same? You all know why. It's because half the time they can't even remember who they told what lie to!

This needs to be on the boards because lies and bull$hit fades in the light of day. This isn't some small disagreement between a couple of men. This is an ongoing attack with NO proof whatsoever of any wrongdoing by Ron.

Thad has many facebook accounts coming from his IP. Why? You tell me. It might be understandable to have a personal and a business account, but 5,6,7, 10 accounts under different names???? Why is that? The answer is D-E-C-E-P-T-I-O-N. I've got a 10 year old daughter. One of the greatest dangers she faces is a deceptive predator disguised on the internet as something they are not.

And gentlemen, there is an industry predator among you using the same tactics.

And now from one "contractor" account that has no location, no business and no info, Ron gets once again photoshopped on a foul picture and posted on facebook for all to see.

Deja Vu?

By the way, my facebook was hacked a couple of days ago. How did they get my password? All I can say is BEWARE of using the same password to sign in on any boards that these guys run. There's not enough integrity for them to not take your password and try it everywhere else till it works. Beware.

This is not a private issue that needs to be taken care of by a couple of guys on the phone. This is a split in our industry caused by one jealous group's hatred or Ron Musgraves. This is an industry problem that needs to be taken care of by the industry as a whole.

Make a stand an choose a side or move aside and let the men fight.

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Will See you there Matthew , Thanks

I will see you there for sure Matthew, Look forward to it.
extremecleantn said:
I'm not starting any fights with anyone, My family and I are going to be attending the roundtable to listen to the speakers that said they will be there and the class to take everything has already been paid for in advance to attend so I do expect those people to show up. On the same side of the coin, Ron has a lot of knowledge in this industry and me being a paying contractor would love for Ron to make it there, All the roundtables I have been to Ron has been there and always give A+ ADVISE

If one of the four people do have a problem with Ron please contact him on his phone and get it solved, you don't have to put it on the boards for others to get upset. Just saying.

I WILL SEE YOU THERE RON!
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Ron, I know this stuff doesn't bother you. It really wouldn't bother me either if it was just the same guys over and over again.

What bothers me is the dumb recruits they pull in with them who aren't smart enough to figure out how they are being used and manipulated.
 
I think Tony made some good points. I'm disturbed by the pic which clearly shows a hacking attempt. I know if I were innocent and had access to the place where lies were being told I'd respond. The silence here is almost deafening.
 
mistersqueegee said:
I think Tony made some good points. I'm disturbed by the pic which clearly shows a hacking attempt. I know if I were innocent and had access to the place where lies were being told I'd respond. The silence here is almost deafening.
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Tony, Ron needs loyalty. I don't know about you guys but I have few close friends, but they are loyal and wouldn't stand for whispered slander and would expose it like I am.

I am shocked at the people who will call me on the phone and admit that they are in support of Ron, but won't choose a side publicly and condemn these attacks he constantly suffers.

Have you ever noticed that none of these punks ever spell anything they accuse Ron of out on the boards? It's always in private conversations on the phone.

I invite anyone who has been wronged by Ron to spell it out on the boards.

But I will warn you in advance, you never know when there has been a witness sitting in the car with Ron hearing sometimes both sides of a phone conversation. As happened when Michael Hinderliter tried to bs everyone about Ron when I clearly heard him threatening to refuse to give away a promised skid at an event with the imfamous "you don't have that in writing" phrase that the PWNA guys like to use when they want to get out of an obligation or just plain steal revenue from you.

See, no one ever knows if Ron has a witness or if he recorded the conversation. That is why the accusations remain behind the boards.

Ron needs loyalty. He has done a lot for us, we need to stand up for him now

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Of course it bothers me Tony I'm a Human, being singled out won't make anyone feel good. This is why I will choose not to make anyone feel the way i have in the last 24 hours. Fortunately I have good people around me who are supportive of my efforts.

I won long ago Tony, many people here I have changed there lives. Its really a good thing helping others, knowing that people have done well with advice given.

Tony we don't need to divide anyone, people are doing that already. I'll choose to help Men & women in this industry who want it, those who do not that ok. I'm not here to shove anything down someones throat, as you know my sales is state of the art, most thinks its a slick car sales men style like its taught out of all those books. I have written my own chapter in the sales world, only those who have taken the time t learn have reaped the benefits. The mind set of people who exclude others are not the type of folks I want to associate with, at the same time we do not need to drive others off with the negativity and Drama caused by there hand.

I have sold a few this morning already, we all should sell a couple today and enjoy our families. We cannot be others Keepers, judgement is not ours.
Tony Shelton said:
Ron, I know this stuff doesn't bother you. It really wouldn't bother me either if it was just the same guys over and over again.

What bothers me is the dumb recruits they pull in with them who aren't smart enough to figure out how they are being used and manipulated.
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Of course it bothers me Tony I'm a Human, being singled out won't make anyone feel good. This is why I will choose not to make anyone feel the way i have in the last 24 hours. Fortunately I have good people around me who are supportive of my efforts.

I won long ago Tony, many people here I have changed there lives. Its really a good thing helping others, knowing that people have done well with advice given.

Tony we don't need to divide anyone, people are doing that already. I'll choose to help Men & women in this industry who want it, those who do not that ok. I'm not here to shove anything down someones throat, as you know my sales is state of the art, most thinks its a slick car sales men style like its taught out of all those books. I have written my own chapter in the sales world, only those who have taken the time t learn have reaped the benefits. The mind set of people who exclude others are not the type of folks I want to associate with, at the same time we do not need to drive others off with the negativity and Drama caused by there hand.

I have sold a few this morning already, we all should sell a couple today and enjoy our families. We cannot be others Keepers, judgement is not ours.
Tony Shelton said:
Ron, I know this stuff doesn't bother you. It really wouldn't bother me either if it was just the same guys over and over again.

What bothers me is the dumb recruits they pull in with them who aren't smart enough to figure out how they are being used and manipulated.
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Tony my testosterone is just fine! I don't owe it to anyone but for the sake of keeping people from bad mouthing my name - I new nothing of this and could careless who is in my audience. 1 person or 400 its will be an awesome eye opening experience for the attendees of my seminar.

PS - I will be there with bright shiny nails!
 
I did speak with Jeremy yesterday by phone. He promptly called me back and on a Sunday too and I appreciate him doing that. Jeremy did tell me that there are two speakers that have flat out said that if Ron is allowed to attend and be in the room, they will not speak. Apparently Jeremy was informed of this some time ago but chose not to inform Ron until and if Ron actually tried to register for the event. Jeremy felt there was no need to bring it up to Ron in case Ron never registered. Jeremy feels he's in between a Rock and a Hard place and is just trying to save his event and is making a business decision. The problem, as I see it, is that the tail is wagging the dog here, and the speakers should have been told when they said this they can't pick and choose their audience and maybe speakers with a little more confidence should of been chosen but a little late for that now. Or it should have been left a CLOSED by INVITATION only event.

I personally don't think that this is at all a speaker issue. This is my opinion, and we all know about opinions but I thinks it's more a sponsorship issue and the sponsor, with his history with Ron made this decision, unfortunately their leaving poor Jeremy out to hang, and he his in a position that he can not allow his event to go south at this point. This is what happens when people plan events that have no experience at doing it. The problem I have with it is they knew long ago they would never allow Ron to register, and could have prevented all this at the beginning, yet they use PWI, and Ron posting and promoting it on all the Facebook sites to gain attendees. I too wish either the two speakers would stand up and speak for themselves or all of them admit they never requested this. But it's not going to happen.

I will say this, I made a choice a couple years ago, and that was against the advice of some on "the other side", I was told not to be friends with Ron, that he is nothing but a liar, is only after my money, (that was a funny one there cause I have none) and that every relationship he has ends badly after a year. Well 2 years to 2 1/2 years later, Ron has become like a Big Brother to me, one of my best friends, and I am not talking just industry wise I am talking LIFE wise. In the short time I have known him, he has changed the way I look at and operate my business, he has helped me to DOUBLE my business and income, (even though you know nothing about the residential business...LOL) There has never been a time that he has lied to me,or that I have seen him lie to anyone. There are things I have seen him do to HELP people that would blow your mind, yet if I mention it, it could end our friendship as he will not allow me too. There are things I see people do to him and say about him and his family that would send an ordinary man into a permanent state of depression, yet it rolls off his back and he just continues to help THEM.

Ron, I have said it before and I will say it again. I am honored to serve by your side as your Vice President of the UAMCC. I am honored everytime you take the time to give me advice to help me as a business man and as a person. But most of all I am proud and honored to call you FRIEND. I will ALWAYS be on your side brother.
 
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I did speak with Jeremy yesterday by phone. He promptly called me back and on a Sunday too and I appreciate him doing that. Jeremy did tell me that there are two speakers that have flat out said that if Ron is allowed to attend and be in the room, they will not speak. Apparently Jeremy was informed of this some time ago but chose not to inform Ron until and if Ron actually tried to register for the event. Jeremy felt there was no need to bring it up to Ron in case Ron never registered. Jeremy feels he's in between a Rock and a Hard place and is just trying to save his event and is making a business decision. The problem, as I see it, is that the tail is wagging the dog here, and the speakers should have been told when they said this they can't pick and choose their audience and maybe speakers with a little more confidence should of been chosen but a little late for that now. Or it should have been left a CLOSED by INVITATION only event.

I personally don't think that this is at all a speaker issue. This is my opinion, and we all know about opinions but I thinks it's more a sponsorship issue and the sponsor, with his history with Ron made this decision, unfortunately their leaving poor Jeremy out to hang, and he his in a position that he can not allow his event to go south at this point. This is what happens when people plan events that have no experience at doing it. The problem I have with it is they knew long ago they would never allow Ron to register, and could have prevented all this at the beginning, yet they use PWI, and Ron posting and promoting it on all the Facebook sites to gain attendees. I too wish either the two speakers would stand up and speak for themselves or all of them admit they never requested this. But it's not going to happen.

I will say this, I made a choice a couple years ago, and that was against the advice of some on "the other side", I was told not to be friends with Ron, that he is nothing but a liar, is only after my money, (that was a funny one there cause I have none) and that every relationship he has ends badly after a year. Well 2 years to 2 1/2 years later, Ron has become like a Big Brother to me, one of my best friends, and I am not talking just industry wise I am talking LIFE wise. In the short time I have known him, he has changed the way I look at and operate my business, he has helped me to DOUBLE my business and income, (even though you know nothing about the residential business...LOL) There has never been a time that he has lied to me,or that I have seen him lie to anyone. There are things I have seen him do to HELP people that would blow your mind, yet if I mention it, it could end our friendship as he will not allow me too. There are things I see people do to him and say about him and his family that would send an ordinary man into a permanent state of depression, yet it rolls off his back and he just continues to help THEM.

Ron, I have said it before and I will say it again. I am honored to serve by your side as your Vice President of the UAMCC. I am honored everytime you take the time to give me advice to help me as a business man and as a person. But most of all I am proud and honored to call you FRIEND. I will ALWAYS be on your side brother.
 
DJ Carroll said:
Tony my testosterone is just fine! I don't owe it to anyone but for the sake of keeping people from bad mouthing my name - I new nothing of this and could careless who is in my audience. 1 person or 400 its will be an awesome eye opening experience for the attendees of my seminar.

PS - I will be there with bright shiny nails!
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Good for you DJ! There's hope for you yet young man! Thanks for the response.

I hope you are able to help a lot of guys there at the event.

I'm glad to hear you weren't involved in this.

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I normally stay out of all the "Drama Mama" threads but I just wanted to say ( as I too am a close friend of Rons ) that I could not have said it any better than what Doug Rucker just did. Nice job Doug!
 
Yeah Doug, Thanks. I feel the same way. My whole family does.

And by the way, I have to share a text I got from my good friend and brother Larry Millette. He always puts a little smile on my face and I hope it puts on on yours too:


"Ron, I was thinking of having a party/get together here at my house around the beginning of the year. Was wondering if u would let me promote it on PWI and if you would help me by linking the party/thread to all your sites, friends, etc...? I would greatly appreciate all the help I can get from you. Oh,,,,,,,By the way......You WILL NOT be invited. Again, thanks for all your help in advance."

LOL!!!!!
 
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