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Ron Musgraves said:
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I guess I'm confused because I thought that was you?


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What you can't read either? I thought you guys were meeting the next day and read it wrong and backed off... keep reading.
 
NJWashingGuy said:
The U&MCC has been a mess from the start and never delivered on any of its promises. The best thing they did was the Orlando show, only to not be able to pay the keynote speaker, have the books cooked, everyone wondering where all the money went, who owned the org etc. Hardly what I would call professional. Now you want to resurrect it and it is the greatest thing since sliced bread even though you were one of the guys that wanted to destroy it in its infancy along with other members here.
There is too much drama for an industry that does cosmetic cleaning. There will likely nenver be a national standard that effects this business. I am sure that the U&MCC will not be able to offer legal protection to a contractor who gets themself in a jam, so where does the value come from. "Group rental rates" , "lower cost hotel stays" etc and all the other things that were promised in the past. I can negotiate a rental rate at the counter and tell the hotel I am a AAA member and get the same or better rate. What happened to the group insurance plan? Or has this gone by the wayside too in favor of stopping the evil Robert from destroying the industry?
This is not the behavior of a group of grown men, it seems more like the inner workings of an 8th grade classroom.
If you want to talk more about this, pass me a note in gym.
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Mike, some of your observations and opinions could be true, but that is not the UAMCC today. The new board has not promised anything because of the observations you pointed out. I am part of the blame from the "Old Board" as far as promises that were made & not delivered, and to that I am very sorry. I can assure you this board is totally different despite what you may think of some of it's Members.

Trying to repair what's been broken doesn't happen over night, what was before is not not now. Talk of group insurance rates was just that...talk, and to my knowledge never promised, as was legal representation to the Membership, again this was "Never" promised.

I'm sure the problems you have are not with the UAMCC itself but with a couple of Members only, and instead of attacking the "Whole" of the Membership you should confine your anger at the people you're angry with.

I am in the "Inner Workings & A Grown Man" and can assure you that I'm not an 8th grader nor do I appreciate the implication that I am part of a "Classroom" of 8th graders.

I think you're a good guy Mike, always have, and what you've said here doesn't change my mind one bit.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
I won't expect and apology , that never happens in this industry


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You were the guy preachnig about keeping ones word in the beginning of the post.

You got called out from somone for not keeping your word...... thats ironic.

Perhaps you owe K-Pow an apology, but as you said, it does not happen in this industry....
 
Point is Ron is that you could of called, texted, email... something and you never did. And you never invited me personally to the meeting, I read about it somewhere and was confused. As far s apologizing to you, how about you go first then we'll see... you might be surprised.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Mike, some of your observations and opinions could be true, but that is not the UAMCC today. The new board has not promised anything because of the observations you pointed out. I am part of the blame from the "Old Board" as far as promises that were made & not delivered, and to that I am very sorry. I can assure you this board is totally different despite what you may think of some of it's Members.

Trying to repair what's been broken doesn't happen over night, what was before is not not now. Talk of group insurance rates was just that...talk, and to my knowledge never promised, as was legal representation to the Membership, again this was "Never" promised.

I'm sure the problems you have are not with the UAMCC itself but with a couple of Members only, and instead of attacking the "Whole" of the Membership you should confine your anger at the people you're angry with.

I am in the "Inner Workings & A Grown Man" and can assure you that I'm not an 8th grader nor do I appreciate the implication that I am part of a "Classroom" of 8th graders.

I think you're a good guy Mike, always have, and what you've said here doesn't change my mind one bit.
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Guy,
My references were not about you. I have always held you in high regard and know that you are a man's man. I know that you are not an 8th grader, but usually the voice of reason in many of the things that are wrong here. I do not hold some of the people involved in the UAMCC in the same regard as I hold you. Alot of conversations are aimed at making this industry better (in alot of ways), and I do not see the actions meeting the words here on PWI. People's behavior is usually a direct indicator of the type of person that they are. I have met in person and spoken to many on the phone people who regularly visit here, I just cannot understand why there is such a sense of negativity and bashing everytime someone does not agree. The posts about law enforcement here are ridiculous and they are a personal attack on my profession. Just as those who make these posts are entitled to their opinion, so am I or the others that post a dissenting view. But true to form, out come the attacks. It is childish and that behavior continues into other matters that peoiple here are in disagreement over.
I rired to say it respectfully in this post above, but this behavior is lacking professionalsi and takes away from the PWI that once was..
 
NJWashingGuy said:
You were the guy preachnig about keeping ones word in the beginning of the post.

You got called out from somone for not keeping your word...... thats ironic.

Perhaps you owe K-Pow an apology, but as you said, it does not happen in this industry....
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Yeah I'm sorry we had a miss understanding.

I won't hold my breath on you.

Nice try this blew up in your face mike, that goodness technology can help clear things.

This pretty obvious mistakes happen


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You know what Ron, I apologize as well. You were right you did text me on my business line saying "Call me" I just didn't have your name put in on that phone and just your number showed up and I presumed it to be some random person and so never responded. Perhaps you could have said it was you, or perhaps you could have called. Point is that you did say something, even if it was small and unnoticeable. I have said my peace you have said yours, we've both apologized (though I feel I deserve a bit morethen what you gave, but I'll take it. ) so let's let bygones be bygones and move on like grown men. Deal?
 
SoCalKpow said:
Point is Ron is that you could of called, texted, email... something and you never did. And you never invited me personally to the meeting, I read about it somewhere and was confused. As far s apologizing to you, how about you go first then we'll see... you might be surprised.
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I'm sorry the intent to help you has turned ugly.

You attempting poorly to damage my honest heart felt to help you sickens me.

However I have been falsely accused of worse.

No need I don't need and apology it's obvious your confused at who Iam and what I do.


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SoCalKpow said:
You know what Ron, I apologize as well. You were right you did text me on my business line saying "Call me" I just didn't have your name put in on that phone and just your number showed up and I presumed it to be some random person and so never responded. Perhaps you could have said it was you, or perhaps you could have called. Point is that you did say something, even if it was small and unnoticeable. I have said my peace you have said yours, we've both apologized (though I feel I deserve a bit morethen what you gave, but I'll take it. ) so let's let bygones be bygones and move on like grown men. Deal?
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Accepted thank you


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Mike it boggles my mind you carry a weapon, you are the new Barney fife of pwi.

Trust me I'm not proud of everything here. But through your eyes lies much worse situation is that your actually a peace officer.


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Ron Musgraves said:
Nice try this blew up in your face mike, that goodness technology can help clear things.
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Are you falsely accusing me of setting this up too?? You need to take a deep look at reality if that is the case.

What I learned here so far is that you should not preach to anyone. What happened with you and Kpow has nothing to do with me, although it was ironic to see it in this thread.

Anymore false accusations you would like to label me with ?? while you sit there and play the victim...... Anyone that knows you for any period of time will not see you as a poor indefensible victim in many of the internet problems that you become involved in.
 
SoCalKpow said:
Alright I need to address this since you brought it up. Ron, look I have a lot of respect for you, and I also know that you offer a lot in this industry. I take someone's commitment and word very serious to. A few months back you were down in my area and we were talking on Facebook and even on the phone, and you said that you would swing by the next day to show me a few (not a whole lot) tricks of the trade to help me out. And I believed you so much that I went and found a sitter for my 2 kids, got my trailer from the in-laws had everything set up only to wait the entire day for you not to show up, for you not to commit to your word. Yet I've said nothing to you about it until now. I gave you the benefit of the doubt figuring that maybe you got busy, guess I was just making an excuse for you. I don't know. Not even did I receive a courtesy phone call or email saying that you couldn't make it. We all know you have one those smart phone. I even messaged you that morning reminding you, yet didn't hear from you that day. I even saw pictures of you at hydrotek. So please don't sit here and say you take a someone's word and commitment seriously when you can't even keep your own word. At any time you could have changed your mind and said you can't make it, but you didn't.
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So Kris, let me get this straight, you asked Ron, who has been in this business for around 30 years, to stop by and help you. Ron, as usual, tried to commit.

I guess my first question is where are all the phone calls and text messages that I, or most people would have sent like:

"Hey Ron, what time are you going to be here"?

"Ron, are you on your way, I'd like to take you to lunch?"

"Ron are you in town yet?"

Funny, we were just discussing this the other day. The first day I met Ron we were supposed to meet him a 6:30 am at a restaurant for breakfast. By 8 or so I was calling and texting him repeatedly to find out where he was. He showed up about 9:30/10:00 am. So what? He was going out of his way to meet with me, a new guy he barely even knew, for MY benefit. Even if he didn't show up at all it would have been no skin off my back.

When you've driven around with Ron with everything going on from screaming kids in the back of his car,
to customers calling with emergency issues,
to customers wanting to start up service,
to employees calling for reasons that boggle a normal mind,
to new contractors from the boards calling and texting,
to calls from Board members,
to ranting and raving calls from other board members,
to calls from his wife regarding home issues,
to stopping to coordinate new tires on a bunch of trucks,
to dropping off and picking up printed flyers,
to trying to help close deals on three way calls with his salespeople,
to listening to contractors problems on the phone
to dealing with contractors trying to borrow money for some new org they want to start,
to talking with me (or you) about next steps in making sales,
to dealing with broken equipment,
to dealing with his grown kids and whatever needs they happen to be calling about,
all while driving, texting, eating, talking on the phone and conversing in the car.........
all this happening in less than 2 hrs........

.....when you find a way to take over all that stuff he has to deal with, and leave him free to make whatever detour he needs to make to guarantee that he will meet you at some exact place and time, then you can complain about his "not keeping his word".

If you were really that concerned with it you could have easily made multiple texts and calls to find out what was up.

Once we made a huge 100+ mile detour to go through Jackson, Miss, to meet with Chris Tharpe. We got there only to find out that he got called out to clean some fleets and couldn't meet at all. So what? Who cares. We are business people and we have to work in the fly.

Pretty petty of you to try to bring up something like this a month after the fact when you didn't even make the effort to call or text him multiple times.
 
Mike, I only know you thru this forum and I have met Ron in person twice now and he ahs made personal promises to me on several occasions. Not once has he let me down or not done exactly what he says. I think you are taking a clear misunderstanding and twisting it for your own reasons.
I have friends on the net that I used to have serious disagreements with but thru private conversations we have worked thru them. Since we have started out in rocky territory maybe we could end up doing the same. The reverse is also true I've had some whp portray themselves as my friends only to trash me on the net saying "well it's just the net it's not real". While it might not be the best way to judge someone I do believe it goes to their character in the end.
 
Tony, You don't think I took everything your saying into consideration? Truth is that I did. I know he's busy doing what he does. That's why I never pressed the matter and figured he would have the courtesy to call me when he had the time. I respected that he was willing to help out, but Ron never followed through. Sure he texted me to call him, but I had no idea that was him. And perhaps your right I could of called texted and bugged him, but I know how busy someone like him can be and he was doing me a favor and I didn't want to ruin it by being a nuisance.

You act as if I didn't make any effort, and yes I did Tony. But we are both at fault on that one. I could of called or texted more, and he could have done the same. So like I suggested to Ron let's let bygones be bygones and move on.
 
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