I don't believe it

I am not selling other peoples processes for my profit. What part of the "POSSESS" have you developed? I am not selling a school or a co-op of cleaners that pay you to be a member, granted it is for life as long as you attend meeting and so on.

Your possess is the same as the rest of us. If you cleaned backwards the results would be the same. In the end the customer system is clean and fire safe. You can't get cleaner than clean.

Once you decide to go into refrigeration repair, the life long membership is good. I would bet that in ten years, IKECA and PWNA leading the charge. I don't see you in the mix.

Went to IKECA site and I could not find anything similar to Grants site. Even if he did, so what he is a member. Your self promotion is a issue because it is all you have to sell. The other parts of your program can be used and implemented for a fraction of your school.

David
 
David,

Please take your soup back; you put too much ‘bitter’ in it for my taste.

We use Phil Ackland's Certification Manual (note should be in italics) as a textbook. We also use 2 other manuals that we have written as textbooks.

If I am a math teacher, am I only able to use a math book that has been written by me? Or do I select the best textbook that I can find that most closely resembles what I want to teach.

Just because we use other people's textbook doesn't mean that we don't know what we are doing or that we only teach what is in the book. We use the textbook as a basis for what we are teaching.

The reason that we charge for our training is that you are paying a professional kitchen exhaust cleaner to train you how to clean hoods and set you up with a complete business.

Even Phil & Delco charge their students to attend.

The fact that we make money teaching people is a standard practice that has occurred for hundreds of years.

Education cost money.

Rusty
 
"Certified! Not certified! I don't care, did you get the system cleaned" A quote from one of my local AHJ.

As long as that is the prevailing sentiment none of this argument matters!
 
What about Bryans statement, you feel is on the mark. The post a ways back I said the same thing. Cert. means nothing, it is how you market the item to the customer. My Calif. Contractor Lic. means more than hood cert. at this time.

However in time it will mean something, & this depends on the State that you provide service in. A good example is Nevada. You can't clean in that Sate unless you have a Nevada State Certification. Nevada recognizes IKECA as a stepping store in the requirements for the State. But you must still take a test and provide lots of documents to Carson City.
 
David,

I think the point about certification has been made into a mountain when it is a mole hill in the big picture.

The fact that we sell "certification" just like IKECA and PWNA must drive you crazy because there's not some law somewhere that prevents us from doing that.

We have as much right to offer our certification product as any other organization.

We have as much authorization to offer our certification as IKECA and PWNA does.

We use the same text books, same NFPA 96 standards, same type of chemicals, similar cleaning equipment and we actually verify that our students can clean all accessible areas to bare metal (let me see IKECA or PWNA do that).

I've never said that we are better than IKECA or PWNA.

What we do is offer sound products at prices that have a perceived value and back it up with support and service.

Our guy in St. Louis has acquired over 280+ accounts in his first 6 months and is in the process of adding 2 crews to help him. That's right we teach you how to run crews of men as well as being a solo act.

Our guy in Springfield has acquired over 100+ accounts in his first 4 1/2 months and is in the process of adding a 2nd crew due to his explosive growth.

Our guy in Chattanooga has acquired over 180+ accounts in 14 months and is staying a 1 man cleaning crew for now.

We must be doing something right. We are changing people's lives and giving them the opportunity to better themselves.

If we wrap this with the additional added benefit of LIFETIME Membership to CHDCA and keep their certification active as long as they are in the business, then this is an added benefit as well.

I don't sell our business owners on the concept of they will be certified, I sell them on the concept that they will be in business for themselves.

This board is one of the few places on the planet where an actual argument about certification would ever go on for this long.

David we just simply disagree, but we are just the same, and I like you for that fact.

Rusty
 
Good post!!! You made your point well-but!!!!

you get some soup.

David
 
That is correct.

Having a current IKECA or PWNA certification eliminates the requirement to take the CHDCA written test (since you had to take a written test in order to get your current certification from IKECA or PWNA).

Plus we give you $500 off of the Lifetime membership option by giving us your current IKECA or PWNA certificate.

Rusty
 
Thanks

David
 
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(The following response was made to a post made by David above, but he has since edited to delete what was said.)

Dear David,

The information that I found out about IKECA is public information readily available to anyone who does a Google Internet Search.

Simply go to www.google.com and do a search for "What to look for in a professional Exhaust Duct cleaning company" and look at the results of the search.

The first 2 entries are IKECA's website and Mr. Grant's website www.fluesteam.com is the 3rd entry. Mr. Grant accused me of using unauthorized NFPA 96 quotes. I was simply pointing out to him that he was using IKECA's copyrighted information without their permission on his website, as if it was his information. My NFPA 96 quote clearly indicated that this is a partial quote from the NFPA 96 and is used with permission.

I did not enter anyone's private website and look at their proprietary information.

Furthermore if you publish something on the internet, it is no longer private information, unless it is password protected or encrypted.

If you feel that IKECA should pass word protect their website and remove from public view any document that they have published, you might want to take that up with them.

Furthermore, I have made no posts that I am aware of on IKECA's bulletin board. Please direct me to the posts in question and I'll evaluate them.

Rusty
 
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Rusty,
I admire your tenacity.I feel you are being ganged up on,and effectively dealing with it.However I have a question.You post things like our guy in Springfield is doing this,our guy in Chatanooga is doing that,ect,ect.
Can you invite these people to the board to share there expierience with you with us?I think that would clear up alot of the skeptisism about your school.
Thanks,John
 
I posted the following just a few minutes ago on our exclusive members only bulletin board which just about every member reads.

"For those interested, there is a kitchen grease exhaust cleaning board located at http://www.pressurewashinginstitute.com/board/upload/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=44

I post on their quite a lot and invite any member that is interested to join in the discussions."

Unfortunately I can't make people post on this bulletin board as fine of a place as it might be.

I do have a complete photo listing on our chdca website under Hall of Fame if people are interested in looking at them.

Rusty
 
I thought it was to short of a post on the IKECA board to be Rusty, that explains it Matt
 
Rusty, what is your NFPA membership number? Is it your personal number or is it a number issued to one of your companies? Is it a voting membership? or a non-voting membership?

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
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One of our members had this to say after they checked out this bulletin board.


"posted on 8-11-2003 at 07:54

Wow, Rusty! Logged in at the PWI message board and found a lot of intersting info, however, some of those people are harsh!! I think they think they are the only ones to ever clean a hood!! I'll keep reading to learn more interesting facts and to get my daily soap opera fix!!! I think I'll stay silent for a little while to avoid some of the sharks in that water!!!"


Rusty
 
To any of you out there lurking, David promises to play nice, well not really. I guess I shouldn't put words in his mouth.
Come on guy’s go ahead and post, differing viewpoints are a good thing, the more voices the better. If you are a one-man crew there are people on the board that are just like you so you are not alone.
 
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