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Bigboy
Member
Ron Musgraves said:
Ron,answers like dat is dang'ous,he did tell you and your reply is what he has always gotten
.heck its not the 250,heck any powerwasher can handle that but the over all cost is more then many want to spend on something they or most do not really need unless they're wanting to grow.The 250 is not going to hurt any true powerwasher pro but some may be like me.I had rather spend the extra 500 to 1000 it would take to go to the show on something like fishing,hunting or spending it on the family.Its bad enough fighting the lowballers and groups like the pwna will make it harder on the wittleman to stay in business.
Already the powerwashing trade is not like it was 10 years ago whereas word of mouth got you alot of business.How seems as tho ever corner as a powerwasher standing begging for business at rock bottom prices.You have to go get it if you want,it doesn't come running like it did several years ago.
The internet will be the death to alot of the powerwashers of today,we'll pay dearly for what we gave so freely today.
don't even think about getting me started..........C-ya
Beth & Rod
SR Wood Geek / Moderator
First of all, I don't think begging for members is going to do anything whatsoever to increase membership or better the organization. However I do believe that our efforts can and will better the organization. The special thing about giving of your time and volunteering to help in some way, is that you help the organization grow by sharing your own individual talents. You help by sharing ideas. You help by donating time doing what you can. Volunteers can't be expected to change things overnight. Why not? Because every one of them has a business to run. But every one of them, even the most seasoned out there, will learn something new by attending a seminar (I don't care which seminar take your pick). Everyone will benefit by having an ACTIVE group of members as well as an ACTIVE Board of Directors and ACTIVE Officers.
I offered my time this fall in Pittsburgh. But it wasn't just about getting up and presenting for an hour and a half. I prepared for months in my spare time. We had expenses. And yet, I'm going to do it again. You see, I learned many things from many people coming from different places and sharing different points of view. Not all that there is to be learned is in a seminar. I learned things and breakfast and lunch sitting and sharing a meal with others. I learned things by speaking with manufacturer reps. There is alot more information out there than is on this board, and it is gained through communication - the free flow of ideas and information between parties.
Many of you speak about benefits... health, dental, etc. But has ANY of you taken the time to call around and ask about group rates for members of non-profit organizations? Or are we all just going to wait for someone else, who is just as busy as you are, to do it for you?
Nike says, just do it. So should we.
Beth
I offered my time this fall in Pittsburgh. But it wasn't just about getting up and presenting for an hour and a half. I prepared for months in my spare time. We had expenses. And yet, I'm going to do it again. You see, I learned many things from many people coming from different places and sharing different points of view. Not all that there is to be learned is in a seminar. I learned things and breakfast and lunch sitting and sharing a meal with others. I learned things by speaking with manufacturer reps. There is alot more information out there than is on this board, and it is gained through communication - the free flow of ideas and information between parties.
Many of you speak about benefits... health, dental, etc. But has ANY of you taken the time to call around and ask about group rates for members of non-profit organizations? Or are we all just going to wait for someone else, who is just as busy as you are, to do it for you?
Nike says, just do it. So should we.
Beth
indiana jones
Member
"..........To counter point that you have guys like Mike Hughes,Micheal Hindeliter, Chris Detter, Beth and others who have been members for a few years who seem to not waver in there belief...."
CCPW,
Michael Hinderliter is the son of the founder of PWNA and a past president, Chris Detter is the current Pres. and in addition to his deck cleaning biz- sells franchises and chemicals, Mike Hughes is marketing his rain gutter BBS and this BBS and is an officer of PWNA, Beth is marketing her new and current businesses. So if you have something you want to get in front of PWers - it's a good place. The experienced contractors who have narrowed the focus of their biz down have nothing to gain except socialization.
The two Davids have no ax to grind, or plan to sell, etc.
CCPW,
Michael Hinderliter is the son of the founder of PWNA and a past president, Chris Detter is the current Pres. and in addition to his deck cleaning biz- sells franchises and chemicals, Mike Hughes is marketing his rain gutter BBS and this BBS and is an officer of PWNA, Beth is marketing her new and current businesses. So if you have something you want to get in front of PWers - it's a good place. The experienced contractors who have narrowed the focus of their biz down have nothing to gain except socialization.
The two Davids have no ax to grind, or plan to sell, etc.
Clean County PW
Active member
Beth,
I believe in what your saying and you are a Godsend to a group like the PWNA. For myself I am a paying member only because I support this group and I am not complaining that I don't get enough out of the PWNA because I have alot already.
So I am going to make my point here and its going to come from my REALIST point of view so please don't take it wrong because I am trying to help the PWNA in the way that I can thru these bb's.
When I read your post, like I said I believe in what you said, but most people (The masses) are not like you. So they WILL NOT do what it takes for this or anyother org. to succeed. They will only belong to an ORGANIZATION if it is BENEFICIAL to THEM. Thats how most people are.
IF you want to draw people in masses then you can't just say that you pay $250 and VOLUNTEER even though we all know that if they did that the PWNA would be AWESOME. It just isn't going to happen. You will probably always see there membership be anywhere between 200-500 members. IF that is the goal then there is nothing else to say.
IF they want the masses to join then they have to figure out another plan which I feel guys like Chris Detter, Mike Hughes and others are trying to do.
As far as Conventions go if you do the math they might get $100 off through being a member and maybe a few more by going to the classes. But once again this doesn't apply to the masses and a different take to this would be to go to the convention without being a member and now you are $150 or so $$$ ahead of a guy that is a member. People here know that so they once again think WHY should I be a member??
This is the impression that I get from reading the like posts about the PWNA over the years. You can't build a large ORGANIZATION with just people like ourselves because most people want results from there almighty $$$. (A Religous Organization is one of the few ORG.s' that can be built on blind faith so that doesn't apply here).
SO what do you and others think. Is this the take that most people feel? I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
I believe in what your saying and you are a Godsend to a group like the PWNA. For myself I am a paying member only because I support this group and I am not complaining that I don't get enough out of the PWNA because I have alot already.
So I am going to make my point here and its going to come from my REALIST point of view so please don't take it wrong because I am trying to help the PWNA in the way that I can thru these bb's.
When I read your post, like I said I believe in what you said, but most people (The masses) are not like you. So they WILL NOT do what it takes for this or anyother org. to succeed. They will only belong to an ORGANIZATION if it is BENEFICIAL to THEM. Thats how most people are.
IF you want to draw people in masses then you can't just say that you pay $250 and VOLUNTEER even though we all know that if they did that the PWNA would be AWESOME. It just isn't going to happen. You will probably always see there membership be anywhere between 200-500 members. IF that is the goal then there is nothing else to say.
IF they want the masses to join then they have to figure out another plan which I feel guys like Chris Detter, Mike Hughes and others are trying to do.
As far as Conventions go if you do the math they might get $100 off through being a member and maybe a few more by going to the classes. But once again this doesn't apply to the masses and a different take to this would be to go to the convention without being a member and now you are $150 or so $$$ ahead of a guy that is a member. People here know that so they once again think WHY should I be a member??
This is the impression that I get from reading the like posts about the PWNA over the years. You can't build a large ORGANIZATION with just people like ourselves because most people want results from there almighty $$$. (A Religous Organization is one of the few ORG.s' that can be built on blind faith so that doesn't apply here).
SO what do you and others think. Is this the take that most people feel? I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
Beth & Rod
SR Wood Geek / Moderator
Really?
What about the newbies who know nothing? What about the guys who need to learn how to market or write a business plan or add a service on that they didn't have before?
What about learning something new? What about networking and getting a new opportunity for a large job as a result?
Beth
What about the newbies who know nothing? What about the guys who need to learn how to market or write a business plan or add a service on that they didn't have before?
What about learning something new? What about networking and getting a new opportunity for a large job as a result?
Beth
Clean County PW
Active member
Beth,
What you just said is all the more reason to go to a convention whether you a member or not. Still may not be a big enough reason to be a member because you don't have to be a member to go. I don't think anyone is arguing whether a Convention is a good thing. All types of businesses have Conventions and by the most part they seem to do OK.
So I'll lay it on the table for you. Is there a way to get a larger membership base where more and more Powerwashing Contractors want to become a member and STAY a member?? Especially the SMALLER CONTRACTORS because believe it or not this is where the larger amount of support could come from if it could be marketed right.
Like I said earlier I am a paying member and in part because I know the more money they have the more they can do but alot of people will not be satisfied to be a member based on my REASONS.
Remember where just brain storming at least you and I are.
What you just said is all the more reason to go to a convention whether you a member or not. Still may not be a big enough reason to be a member because you don't have to be a member to go. I don't think anyone is arguing whether a Convention is a good thing. All types of businesses have Conventions and by the most part they seem to do OK.
So I'll lay it on the table for you. Is there a way to get a larger membership base where more and more Powerwashing Contractors want to become a member and STAY a member?? Especially the SMALLER CONTRACTORS because believe it or not this is where the larger amount of support could come from if it could be marketed right.
Like I said earlier I am a paying member and in part because I know the more money they have the more they can do but alot of people will not be satisfied to be a member based on my REASONS.
Remember where just brain storming at least you and I are.
We keep talking about new guys and small contractors. We don’t have those numbers we are all assuming this is the results.
I wish I knew how many contractors have joined and dropped out? I would like to know about the members current and the future.
We need a study of where the members are at and how large and small the average member is. ect.
I know four others in phoenix that are members of the PWNA; I hate to tell you we are the four of the largest in the area. I don’t believe we have any other members from phoenix. I might ad one of these members is a PWNA member since the inception. And has a great campaign on how to get the most for his $250.00….
My self and another hold the largest spot and the one of the others are on the rise and growing everyday. The other works exhaust and I’m not sure where he stands in his field but do know he grosses about $750,000 a year. Recently his business was on the market because he has relocated.
I suspect that in other parts of the country the largest contractor are involved.
On the other side we have a company located in Nevada that does in the millions and they only clean shopping carts. They are not members.
Fleet wash is not a member of the PWNA… Why not? Maybe I’ll call and ask him in the morning.
I think you are all missing the Boat; PWNA is not selling a dream or a Blind faith deal. It’s utilizing the power of and organization. You yourself will be the only one that will be able to use the organization to your needs. In return the Body commits to only staying on top of trends ideals and invention. I believe the PWNA does this; they do have certification programs that are recognized by leaders in the industry. They are making advance to obtain accreditation from environmentalist.
This is real alls one has to do is open there eyes and take a look around your neighborhood. When the EPA comes rolling up on you and you don’t know what to say or how to address the issues then you might call and ask.
On epa issues on this BBS and a half dozen others I find miss guided information. I hear guys telling us how they transport waist water and other that say they dump in carwashes. Some vacuum up water and dump god knows where. We don’t have someone that has the correct answers. These rules and regulations differ so much from area to area. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a standard that could be adopted so we all could understand them better? No one person could claim they know it all. Maybe this is blind faith or a dream????? But if someone doesn’t dream it up then it may never come to pass…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………THE END
I wish I knew how many contractors have joined and dropped out? I would like to know about the members current and the future.
We need a study of where the members are at and how large and small the average member is. ect.
I know four others in phoenix that are members of the PWNA; I hate to tell you we are the four of the largest in the area. I don’t believe we have any other members from phoenix. I might ad one of these members is a PWNA member since the inception. And has a great campaign on how to get the most for his $250.00….
My self and another hold the largest spot and the one of the others are on the rise and growing everyday. The other works exhaust and I’m not sure where he stands in his field but do know he grosses about $750,000 a year. Recently his business was on the market because he has relocated.
I suspect that in other parts of the country the largest contractor are involved.
On the other side we have a company located in Nevada that does in the millions and they only clean shopping carts. They are not members.
Fleet wash is not a member of the PWNA… Why not? Maybe I’ll call and ask him in the morning.
I think you are all missing the Boat; PWNA is not selling a dream or a Blind faith deal. It’s utilizing the power of and organization. You yourself will be the only one that will be able to use the organization to your needs. In return the Body commits to only staying on top of trends ideals and invention. I believe the PWNA does this; they do have certification programs that are recognized by leaders in the industry. They are making advance to obtain accreditation from environmentalist.
This is real alls one has to do is open there eyes and take a look around your neighborhood. When the EPA comes rolling up on you and you don’t know what to say or how to address the issues then you might call and ask.
On epa issues on this BBS and a half dozen others I find miss guided information. I hear guys telling us how they transport waist water and other that say they dump in carwashes. Some vacuum up water and dump god knows where. We don’t have someone that has the correct answers. These rules and regulations differ so much from area to area. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a standard that could be adopted so we all could understand them better? No one person could claim they know it all. Maybe this is blind faith or a dream????? But if someone doesn’t dream it up then it may never come to pass…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………THE END
oh it's far from being "the end"......................
you say why dont we call around for INS.............. ahhhhhh If " we" do all the work then why join? why should I bust my hinny to make it better for you ? I figured If I pay 250.00 isnt that the job for the people that I send in my check every year for?if i send one in
It's all a hipe and bull-doo-doo.
All we do is talk about the "NEWBEE"S" maybe I should call up all 10 "newbees's in my area who just started up b/c they got laid off ... and tell 'em that I want to help them out by helping them get a fleet contract............ or call 'em up and say hey I got the best soap it cleans better then anything .. and without alota work ...... or........ hey man let me tell ya how I made 800,000
so you can make that too..................
I believe that Beth said it all when she said this about begging for money was doing more harm than good........ or something like that .
we all know all about the PWNA...... and it sure is a bad sign that with a hot topic like this the only ones that take the time to respond is .... Ron,BEth,MIke.oh sorry J.T
where is the big-boss's that gets the check?
Oh thats right they are busy running there business ........ so I guess that means we are not busy.
you might say go to the PWNA BB naaaaaaaa what good would that do ? If they truly wanted there "club" to grow they would go to this BB and others to anwser all the questions .... But maybe they are silent B/C they are counting on someone else BEGGING ......
the end ...........do ya really think so ??????????
you say why dont we call around for INS.............. ahhhhhh If " we" do all the work then why join? why should I bust my hinny to make it better for you ? I figured If I pay 250.00 isnt that the job for the people that I send in my check every year for?if i send one in
It's all a hipe and bull-doo-doo.
All we do is talk about the "NEWBEE"S" maybe I should call up all 10 "newbees's in my area who just started up b/c they got laid off ... and tell 'em that I want to help them out by helping them get a fleet contract............ or call 'em up and say hey I got the best soap it cleans better then anything .. and without alota work ...... or........ hey man let me tell ya how I made 800,000
so you can make that too..................
I believe that Beth said it all when she said this about begging for money was doing more harm than good........ or something like that .
we all know all about the PWNA...... and it sure is a bad sign that with a hot topic like this the only ones that take the time to respond is .... Ron,BEth,MIke.oh sorry J.T
where is the big-boss's that gets the check?
Oh thats right they are busy running there business ........ so I guess that means we are not busy.
you might say go to the PWNA BB naaaaaaaa what good would that do ? If they truly wanted there "club" to grow they would go to this BB and others to anwser all the questions .... But maybe they are silent B/C they are counting on someone else BEGGING ......
the end ...........do ya really think so ??????????
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I am a member and I don't think that $250.00 / year is a lot to spend on dues for a professional organization. Usually, the people that don't see any value in it are the people that pay the money and then don't become involved at all - so they get the same information and opportunitiesas a non-member.
Maybe limiting most of the PWNA forum to "members only" for all but the most basic sections might be a good idea. I have looked, but I cannot find which sections are limited to PWNA members only. If most of the information is available to everyone, then most of the people on the bbs are getting the same benefit from it whether they are a member or not.
Other organizations I have belonged to have websites that explain the organization to outsiders, have membership information for potential members, and they close the rest off to everyone else. Maybe the PWNA Board can discuss changing the bbs if they think these might work. Sections that I have seen provide the most benefit to association members are:
Member Directories
Legal Updates
Professional Issues of concern
Current Events and How they Effect the Industry
Technical Articles
Job Opportunities
Sponsorship Links that provide the $'s to subsidize dues and operations
I am also going to change our letterhead to include the PWNA logo. Ron M., Where can I get a printable logo?
Maybe limiting most of the PWNA forum to "members only" for all but the most basic sections might be a good idea. I have looked, but I cannot find which sections are limited to PWNA members only. If most of the information is available to everyone, then most of the people on the bbs are getting the same benefit from it whether they are a member or not.
Other organizations I have belonged to have websites that explain the organization to outsiders, have membership information for potential members, and they close the rest off to everyone else. Maybe the PWNA Board can discuss changing the bbs if they think these might work. Sections that I have seen provide the most benefit to association members are:
Member Directories
Legal Updates
Professional Issues of concern
Current Events and How they Effect the Industry
Technical Articles
Job Opportunities
Sponsorship Links that provide the $'s to subsidize dues and operations
I am also going to change our letterhead to include the PWNA logo. Ron M., Where can I get a printable logo?
Clean County PW
Active member
Ron M.
Your points are all valid. The only question that I would have is why can't the PWNA attract more small time contractors. You've mention the Companies in your area that are PWNA members and they are all large companies. For every large powerwashing company there's probably 50+ small ones. That is were I would target new members and to do that a rock solid plan would need to be put into effect.
This way guys like Ron P.,Jon,Dan S.,Bigboy,etc. would possibly want to become members or even renew there old memberships if they were past members. I feel like I am taking a stance for the small guy maybe because I am small(Myself and 2 partimers) compared to others here.
I also understand that some people no matter what will never join so they will not be considered in this equation.
I would also like to add that what ARC stated in his post are also valid points.
What it really comes down to would be to get the membership #'s from the PWNA since its inception so we could better see what the big picture is. NUMBERS are facts and without that we can only speculate what the problems are. We really need the numbers.
Its been fun brain storming. I like these posts where you really have to think things thru.
Your points are all valid. The only question that I would have is why can't the PWNA attract more small time contractors. You've mention the Companies in your area that are PWNA members and they are all large companies. For every large powerwashing company there's probably 50+ small ones. That is were I would target new members and to do that a rock solid plan would need to be put into effect.
This way guys like Ron P.,Jon,Dan S.,Bigboy,etc. would possibly want to become members or even renew there old memberships if they were past members. I feel like I am taking a stance for the small guy maybe because I am small(Myself and 2 partimers) compared to others here.
I also understand that some people no matter what will never join so they will not be considered in this equation.
I would also like to add that what ARC stated in his post are also valid points.
What it really comes down to would be to get the membership #'s from the PWNA since its inception so we could better see what the big picture is. NUMBERS are facts and without that we can only speculate what the problems are. We really need the numbers.
Its been fun brain storming. I like these posts where you really have to think things thru.
Beth & Rod
SR Wood Geek / Moderator
OK....
I have a question for you all.
How many of you are aware of a medical insurance policy that will cover you and/or you and your family for $250.00 per YEAR? How many can honestly say that you can pay that in a month for one or MORE members of your family?
So why then with only about 300 members would we all assume that the PWNA can get medical insurance for the washer and his or her family for that or less per year?
I don't think is it possible. I don't know when the last time any of you priced insurance was, but saying that for $250.00 you can get that, well, I don't think it is realistic. I think it would have to be an add on purchase you buy, and I am guessing that the final cost would be contingent upon the number of memebers who enroll....
Beth
I have a question for you all.
How many of you are aware of a medical insurance policy that will cover you and/or you and your family for $250.00 per YEAR? How many can honestly say that you can pay that in a month for one or MORE members of your family?
So why then with only about 300 members would we all assume that the PWNA can get medical insurance for the washer and his or her family for that or less per year?
I don't think is it possible. I don't know when the last time any of you priced insurance was, but saying that for $250.00 you can get that, well, I don't think it is realistic. I think it would have to be an add on purchase you buy, and I am guessing that the final cost would be contingent upon the number of memebers who enroll....
Beth
Chris Detter
New member
Hey everyone,
Why all the negativity?
Let me throw my (personal) two-cents worth in.
I happen to love the organization, just because I was elected as president, does't mean I don't have an opinion, I am still a pressure washer and in the trenches everyday too.
We all know that the PWNA is not for everyone, it really doesn't want to be.
It's basic purpose is to educate, promote awarness to today's power washing and enviromental issues, communicate high standards in ethical business practices and give direction to those who want it.
No single organization can be everything to everybody.
I also know that The PWNA has helped those who have allowed it too.
11 years ago when I first started my business I needed some direction and the PWNA certainly helped my little wood restoration business take off.
The whole subject about of "what's the organization done for me lately" is really a non-issue if you won't allow it too.
I never could understand how some people who's business is so successfull without the PWNA find the time hammering negatives on a keyboard about an organization they've never joined.
Why keep beating this same old dead horse into the ground.
If the PWNA isn't your cup-of-tea, it isn't your cup-of-tea, who cares?
Over the years I've had many contractors tell me how they have enjoyed their membership and affiliation with the PWNA.
I personally too, appreciate the success the knowledge and the friendships I've received over the years with the PWNA and invite you to enjoy that too.
See y'all in Las vegas
Have a nice day
Chris Detter
Why all the negativity?
Let me throw my (personal) two-cents worth in.
I happen to love the organization, just because I was elected as president, does't mean I don't have an opinion, I am still a pressure washer and in the trenches everyday too.
We all know that the PWNA is not for everyone, it really doesn't want to be.
It's basic purpose is to educate, promote awarness to today's power washing and enviromental issues, communicate high standards in ethical business practices and give direction to those who want it.
No single organization can be everything to everybody.
I also know that The PWNA has helped those who have allowed it too.
11 years ago when I first started my business I needed some direction and the PWNA certainly helped my little wood restoration business take off.
The whole subject about of "what's the organization done for me lately" is really a non-issue if you won't allow it too.
I never could understand how some people who's business is so successfull without the PWNA find the time hammering negatives on a keyboard about an organization they've never joined.
Why keep beating this same old dead horse into the ground.
If the PWNA isn't your cup-of-tea, it isn't your cup-of-tea, who cares?
Over the years I've had many contractors tell me how they have enjoyed their membership and affiliation with the PWNA.
I personally too, appreciate the success the knowledge and the friendships I've received over the years with the PWNA and invite you to enjoy that too.
See y'all in Las vegas
Have a nice day
Chris Detter
Beth,
I don’t believe anyone thinks they should get insurance for 250.00. I believe we all have a perception that with the number of member we could offer a plan that someone couldn’t get single.
This brings me to ask the question, it has been determined that this is and impossible thing to have a group discount available for members. Someone has tried and failed. This is what we have been told in the past maybe someone could try for the future. We have been told that regional areas did not work in the past. Yet now I have heard that we may take a re-look at that.
To everyone: the issue of me asking for money is this thread is over for me.
I will say that I have question that need to be answered. All the board members are respected by me and probably most of the individuals that belong to the organization. I would like to have a more updated version at what goes on behind the scenes of the PWNA. I realize we are all busy. That brings me to my point, lets have and action and reporting committee that informs us of projects and gathers volunteers to make projects happen. All along the way keep members posted about possible good and bad news. Maybe communication is a big part of the bad press. People view things differently, it’s all about me me me me me me what I can get for myself. Ok reality is that most are that way and don’t see things like I do.
I believe we have some great things on the horizon and I feel we should be informed along the way. I’m not talking bout any specific things just having maybe a weekly update on what is going on rather than waiting a month or by the quarter.
I’m throwing some ideas out,
Have an online mag associated with PWNA, let Beth or cleaner times run it. (Have it make money to support projects and compensate those involved)
Build a contractor listing for customers and other vendor of the PWNA. ( so we can network)
I see these things as pretty simple things to accomplish and could be money makers for members and PWNA.
Beth, have you ever thought about teaming up with the PWNA and starting your mag. I’m sure you could run it on your own independent and still receive support from the PWNA. It might be a good marriage with your background on the web. We all know that the PWNA web site needs work. (Not offend the person that just redid it) but it’s not what a national org should have as a web site. Members need to be listed.
I have a question for the board; can we educate customers about the PWNA through the mail on our own? I mean a real hard lined campaign about you should only hire a certified PWNA contractor.
OK, done for now…………..Good morning Chris
I don’t believe anyone thinks they should get insurance for 250.00. I believe we all have a perception that with the number of member we could offer a plan that someone couldn’t get single.
This brings me to ask the question, it has been determined that this is and impossible thing to have a group discount available for members. Someone has tried and failed. This is what we have been told in the past maybe someone could try for the future. We have been told that regional areas did not work in the past. Yet now I have heard that we may take a re-look at that.
To everyone: the issue of me asking for money is this thread is over for me.
I will say that I have question that need to be answered. All the board members are respected by me and probably most of the individuals that belong to the organization. I would like to have a more updated version at what goes on behind the scenes of the PWNA. I realize we are all busy. That brings me to my point, lets have and action and reporting committee that informs us of projects and gathers volunteers to make projects happen. All along the way keep members posted about possible good and bad news. Maybe communication is a big part of the bad press. People view things differently, it’s all about me me me me me me what I can get for myself. Ok reality is that most are that way and don’t see things like I do.
I believe we have some great things on the horizon and I feel we should be informed along the way. I’m not talking bout any specific things just having maybe a weekly update on what is going on rather than waiting a month or by the quarter.
I’m throwing some ideas out,
Have an online mag associated with PWNA, let Beth or cleaner times run it. (Have it make money to support projects and compensate those involved)
Build a contractor listing for customers and other vendor of the PWNA. ( so we can network)
I see these things as pretty simple things to accomplish and could be money makers for members and PWNA.
Beth, have you ever thought about teaming up with the PWNA and starting your mag. I’m sure you could run it on your own independent and still receive support from the PWNA. It might be a good marriage with your background on the web. We all know that the PWNA web site needs work. (Not offend the person that just redid it) but it’s not what a national org should have as a web site. Members need to be listed.
I have a question for the board; can we educate customers about the PWNA through the mail on our own? I mean a real hard lined campaign about you should only hire a certified PWNA contractor.
OK, done for now…………..Good morning Chris
Jon
Member Specialist
This has been a nice thread, lots of the same "old" questions over and over though the years and no answers.
Ok one person asked about calling around and getting quotes for insurance, another asked what or where is the money going etc.
Another mentions at one time someone did call around for group insurance etc.
Another wants to know the size and number of employee's each member has etc. those should be part of the membership registering papers.
Those answers also should come from the company and person running the PWNA, Jack Pitzer, Executive Director of the PWNA.
Unless I am wrong his company was hired to replace another that did not even response to Email and phone calls and was just not up to par in pushing the PWNA.
I remember in Las Vegas a few years ago the convention someone asked at the general meeting where the money is, I recall reading my wife's note on the answer and will not mention who said it but the reply was "the books are not open to the general membership".
Now my two cents on how to gain members:
It takes money to make money, we all have heard that before, so with that take some of the money and spend it all across the USA and get the names of every pressure washer through cities business licenses, though C of C member list, though any and all ways of finding businesses and send them an invatation to join with some sort of inducement to make them WANT to join.
I don't care if it is a discount of some sort, half price for the first year if your agree to stay a member for 3 years, a half price fee to the convention or whatever but make it worth wanting to join.
Now I personally feel the company that is running it should be making calls, doing research and promoting the PWNA so it can offer things to intice old members to return, new members to join and current members to keep renewing.
The board come's up with idea's but unless Jack Pitzer takes it and moves it forward and investigates what those ideas are and what it can gain from them and how much it would cost then nothing will change.
It is not my intention to put Mr. Pitzer and the board down, I hope it does not sound that way since my understanding is his company was hired to do a better job then the former one. Perhaps I am wrong in what his company is suppose to do but I do believe his business is a marketing business and if so he should market the PWNA in the best ways possible so all can gain.
I am sure many have idea's on how things should be done but I know one thing, why knock something if you are or have not been a member to see what it is from the inside frist?
Vent all you want but change the tone of your venting please.
Jon
Ok one person asked about calling around and getting quotes for insurance, another asked what or where is the money going etc.
Another mentions at one time someone did call around for group insurance etc.
Another wants to know the size and number of employee's each member has etc. those should be part of the membership registering papers.
Those answers also should come from the company and person running the PWNA, Jack Pitzer, Executive Director of the PWNA.
Unless I am wrong his company was hired to replace another that did not even response to Email and phone calls and was just not up to par in pushing the PWNA.
I remember in Las Vegas a few years ago the convention someone asked at the general meeting where the money is, I recall reading my wife's note on the answer and will not mention who said it but the reply was "the books are not open to the general membership".
Now my two cents on how to gain members:
It takes money to make money, we all have heard that before, so with that take some of the money and spend it all across the USA and get the names of every pressure washer through cities business licenses, though C of C member list, though any and all ways of finding businesses and send them an invatation to join with some sort of inducement to make them WANT to join.
I don't care if it is a discount of some sort, half price for the first year if your agree to stay a member for 3 years, a half price fee to the convention or whatever but make it worth wanting to join.
Now I personally feel the company that is running it should be making calls, doing research and promoting the PWNA so it can offer things to intice old members to return, new members to join and current members to keep renewing.
The board come's up with idea's but unless Jack Pitzer takes it and moves it forward and investigates what those ideas are and what it can gain from them and how much it would cost then nothing will change.
It is not my intention to put Mr. Pitzer and the board down, I hope it does not sound that way since my understanding is his company was hired to do a better job then the former one. Perhaps I am wrong in what his company is suppose to do but I do believe his business is a marketing business and if so he should market the PWNA in the best ways possible so all can gain.
I am sure many have idea's on how things should be done but I know one thing, why knock something if you are or have not been a member to see what it is from the inside frist?
Vent all you want but change the tone of your venting please.
Jon
Everett Abrams
Member
You know it may be the "same old stuff" but there have been a lot of great points made and ideas thrown out there. From Dan S to Ron to Jon and all the others I think all this type of discussion is only positive both for bothe the nonmembers as well as the members. It certainly shows both sides of the coin and helps raise awareness.
Jon, you’re to funny buddy. You sound like the new ambassador of the PWNA. I knew you had positive thought and views in there someone where.
If we could all take Jon’s approach and put them into use for awhile and just try to change things with a different attitude things would be different.
Its not easy to see the same mistakes happen over and over, however things are changing and for the better. I guess it just takes time…………….one day people will want and need to belong.
If we could all take Jon’s approach and put them into use for awhile and just try to change things with a different attitude things would be different.
Its not easy to see the same mistakes happen over and over, however things are changing and for the better. I guess it just takes time…………….one day people will want and need to belong.