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Hood Cleaning School
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Well Bryan, Brinker International - try Chili's, Macaroni Grill, etc, etc, etc. Hit their site. If you do agree to service their stores you will sign a unilateral, adhesive contract in which you will probably find a stipulation with reference to the demands in respect to equipment. Your conclusions are simply wrong. I know you have been in the business approx 12 years - I am surprised you did not know this.
The suggestion made by this new school that you hire others to go out on your job assignments and complete 2 or 3 one-man jobs per night, so that you can multiply your income, is so insane I nearly fell out of my chair with laughter. In a fairly large city there may be a dozen or so hood cleaners. If you were to train your own competition in this manner you might see several hundred one-man hood cleaners in your town - each earning $200,000 per year NET, of course!
I am sure that if this school has integrity they will offer 'satisfaction guaranteed'. They should not expect payment for instruction until you are satisfied. I am sure they will clarify this offer to train with no expection of payment until satisfied on all the boards.
Richard
The suggestion made by this new school that you hire others to go out on your job assignments and complete 2 or 3 one-man jobs per night, so that you can multiply your income, is so insane I nearly fell out of my chair with laughter. In a fairly large city there may be a dozen or so hood cleaners. If you were to train your own competition in this manner you might see several hundred one-man hood cleaners in your town - each earning $200,000 per year NET, of course!
I am sure that if this school has integrity they will offer 'satisfaction guaranteed'. They should not expect payment for instruction until you are satisfied. I am sure they will clarify this offer to train with no expection of payment until satisfied on all the boards.
Richard
kmjt1021
Member
That's OK, it certainly isn't the first time I was wrong about something, I still wonder what made them put that stipulation in the contracts, I'm sure they have their reasons. I guess I haven't been lucky enough to happen upon them locally.
My point simply was, does it really matter what you use as long as you get the job done correctly.
My point simply was, does it really matter what you use as long as you get the job done correctly.
Scott Stone
New member
There are some things in the claims that are made that you guys are missing. The biggest one is the money that is being made.
If you are able to work 2080 a year, or 52 40 hour weeks, at $100 per hour, that will equal $208,000 a year. That means that you have absolutely no travel time between jobs, never have to wait for anything, and that eveything will go perfectly every time. That also means that the 10 -15 hours of paper work that most of us do a week, at minimum, is not counted in the equation. So that IF you want to make $200,000 a year, and IF you are willing to work 52 weeks a year, and IF you actually have 40 hours of jobs a week lined up, you can make the coveted $200,000. However, if you want to take a week off, or something happens to your equipment, or you want a vacation, or your kid has an Orchestra concert out of town, the claims are overstated.
Scott
If you are able to work 2080 a year, or 52 40 hour weeks, at $100 per hour, that will equal $208,000 a year. That means that you have absolutely no travel time between jobs, never have to wait for anything, and that eveything will go perfectly every time. That also means that the 10 -15 hours of paper work that most of us do a week, at minimum, is not counted in the equation. So that IF you want to make $200,000 a year, and IF you are willing to work 52 weeks a year, and IF you actually have 40 hours of jobs a week lined up, you can make the coveted $200,000. However, if you want to take a week off, or something happens to your equipment, or you want a vacation, or your kid has an Orchestra concert out of town, the claims are overstated.
Scott
RustyACE
President CHDCA
Thanks for all of the interesting comments about our business opportunity. I have updated my 'charts' to reflect being cleaned every 6 months, and to relect a 50 week work year.
As for the claims of making $200,000/year with 1 person- you are not looking at the site correctly. The most that one person can clean per month is 60-80 cleanings per month. Which will be in the $150,000+ range. As you go over 60+ cleanings per month, then your hood cleaning business becomes a more traditional Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Company in the since that you have to hire employees to help you clean the large jobs (which you don't bid on as a single employee) and expand your business. This is where you will reach the $200,000+ range. Most of our clients don't want world domination, they just want their little piece of the 'American Pie' which requires around 200+ restuarants to meet that goal. As for the ones that want 800+ clients, we'll instruct them how to get there as well.
How many of you could afford to start hood and duct cleaning business from scratch for less than $16,500? Assuming that you were stuck in a 9-5 job with your nose to the grindstone, you barely have time to look around much less dream of the possibility of starting your own business. That is why we finance our equipment to anyone who completes our training.
Not to mention, we make our profit on the $8000 training, not on the equipment. Our equipment is priced slightly over our costs. We provide equipment packages for the convenience of our clients, not for our bottom line. Purchase of our equipment is completely optional as well as the use of our chemicals.
Who doesn't think that $8000 is worth it to learn a completely unique way of cleaning kitchen exhaust systems and operating your business from your home with no employees. Or for that matter expand your current Power Washing Business into the Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning since you already have the equipment, employees, and know how to do this. Yes, one person can earn $150,000 cleaning hoods and ducts and net $300,000 in 2 years. Don't you think that this would be worth $8000?
The cleaning of Kitchen Exhaust Systems isn't for everyone, and it is definitely not a get rich quick scheme. But it is legitimate business, that run properly can generate a lot more money than the average person is earning right now. We specialize in people that are trapped in their current careers and no matter how hard they work won't be able to double or triple the amount of money that they are currently earning. We provide them with the training, tools, equipment, chemicals, paperwork, manuals, as well as the continued support and allow them to fulfuill their dreams. We don't train them and dump them. We provide year round service via the phone and if needed provide retraining at no additional costs.
Some are assuming that there is a static amount of hoods to be cleaned and that only hoods that aren't being cleaned by someone now will want our clients to clean them. The amount of restaurants is contantly growing, as well as, schools, nursing homes, plant cafeterias, gas stations, not to mention the bread and butter contracts such as franchises, mom & pops, and cafeterias. All of these places will require cleaning. Not to mention if you can do a job in the same time, not make a mess, and do it for less than your competition, then you are bound to get some percentage of restaurants to clean. I'm not saying that 1 person can clean the big massive jobs that are out there, but who of you could when you first started out?
I really appreciate Matt Bryan bringing my attention to this forum and all of the interesting comments made so far about our company and allowing me to defend our company. So I invite those who on first glance saw something that made you think that our opportunity was 'pie in the sky' and take a 2nd more thorough look. This isn't for everyone, but it is definitely a perfect match for a few of you.
Sincerely,
Rusty
hoodcleaningschool.com
As for the claims of making $200,000/year with 1 person- you are not looking at the site correctly. The most that one person can clean per month is 60-80 cleanings per month. Which will be in the $150,000+ range. As you go over 60+ cleanings per month, then your hood cleaning business becomes a more traditional Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Company in the since that you have to hire employees to help you clean the large jobs (which you don't bid on as a single employee) and expand your business. This is where you will reach the $200,000+ range. Most of our clients don't want world domination, they just want their little piece of the 'American Pie' which requires around 200+ restuarants to meet that goal. As for the ones that want 800+ clients, we'll instruct them how to get there as well.
How many of you could afford to start hood and duct cleaning business from scratch for less than $16,500? Assuming that you were stuck in a 9-5 job with your nose to the grindstone, you barely have time to look around much less dream of the possibility of starting your own business. That is why we finance our equipment to anyone who completes our training.
Not to mention, we make our profit on the $8000 training, not on the equipment. Our equipment is priced slightly over our costs. We provide equipment packages for the convenience of our clients, not for our bottom line. Purchase of our equipment is completely optional as well as the use of our chemicals.
Who doesn't think that $8000 is worth it to learn a completely unique way of cleaning kitchen exhaust systems and operating your business from your home with no employees. Or for that matter expand your current Power Washing Business into the Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning since you already have the equipment, employees, and know how to do this. Yes, one person can earn $150,000 cleaning hoods and ducts and net $300,000 in 2 years. Don't you think that this would be worth $8000?
The cleaning of Kitchen Exhaust Systems isn't for everyone, and it is definitely not a get rich quick scheme. But it is legitimate business, that run properly can generate a lot more money than the average person is earning right now. We specialize in people that are trapped in their current careers and no matter how hard they work won't be able to double or triple the amount of money that they are currently earning. We provide them with the training, tools, equipment, chemicals, paperwork, manuals, as well as the continued support and allow them to fulfuill their dreams. We don't train them and dump them. We provide year round service via the phone and if needed provide retraining at no additional costs.
Some are assuming that there is a static amount of hoods to be cleaned and that only hoods that aren't being cleaned by someone now will want our clients to clean them. The amount of restaurants is contantly growing, as well as, schools, nursing homes, plant cafeterias, gas stations, not to mention the bread and butter contracts such as franchises, mom & pops, and cafeterias. All of these places will require cleaning. Not to mention if you can do a job in the same time, not make a mess, and do it for less than your competition, then you are bound to get some percentage of restaurants to clean. I'm not saying that 1 person can clean the big massive jobs that are out there, but who of you could when you first started out?
I really appreciate Matt Bryan bringing my attention to this forum and all of the interesting comments made so far about our company and allowing me to defend our company. So I invite those who on first glance saw something that made you think that our opportunity was 'pie in the sky' and take a 2nd more thorough look. This isn't for everyone, but it is definitely a perfect match for a few of you.
Sincerely,
Rusty
hoodcleaningschool.com
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
If in fact you have been in this business you would know that one person operation is flat ridiculous and to imply
different means that your background in something other than hood cleaning. Now some limited jobs can be cleaned with one person, the key word is limited. I run multi crews with a wide range of clients. I will bet you any dollar that your single person can not clean one selected store that one of my two person crew will service this week. With your selection of equipment shows your lack of background in hood cleaning sorry.
I like new ideas and ways to save time. Time is money and two person crews save time and insure a safe night. Four year ago one of my manager took a fall and the second person was able to call 911 at two in the morning and was able gain help. That person is still with me, and it is for the second person. In fact some jobs require more than one crew.
David
different means that your background in something other than hood cleaning. Now some limited jobs can be cleaned with one person, the key word is limited. I run multi crews with a wide range of clients. I will bet you any dollar that your single person can not clean one selected store that one of my two person crew will service this week. With your selection of equipment shows your lack of background in hood cleaning sorry.
I like new ideas and ways to save time. Time is money and two person crews save time and insure a safe night. Four year ago one of my manager took a fall and the second person was able to call 911 at two in the morning and was able gain help. That person is still with me, and it is for the second person. In fact some jobs require more than one crew.
David
Bigboy
Member
Hey Scott-e I got messed up on which grindstone he was talking about the 9-5 or the hood when I seen how much to be made.
One man can do alot,look what Adam did,he didn't listen to the teacher that sent him a helper.
I'm not againest schooling at all, paying for schooling in this trade is only for the .................................if I wanted schooling and had to go to another state to get it,I'd look for the best cleaning company in that bussiness and go to work for them making money as I learned,,,,rent money,eating money and running around money as I learned something I may or thought I may like doing.Than if you decide which trade you can pick your own rig whether hood,flat,detail,ect. from any of the suppliers of rigs.
I have nothing againest Rusty's teaching and his price,he's the only one that can say whats he's teaching worth as in what he's learned and how,,there is a better way of digging worms without a shovel but not in all places as he has stated.I think he had the grindstone in the wrong place tho plus a much bigger one then ya had
One man can do alot,look what Adam did,he didn't listen to the teacher that sent him a helper.
I'm not againest schooling at all, paying for schooling in this trade is only for the .................................if I wanted schooling and had to go to another state to get it,I'd look for the best cleaning company in that bussiness and go to work for them making money as I learned,,,,rent money,eating money and running around money as I learned something I may or thought I may like doing.Than if you decide which trade you can pick your own rig whether hood,flat,detail,ect. from any of the suppliers of rigs.
I have nothing againest Rusty's teaching and his price,he's the only one that can say whats he's teaching worth as in what he's learned and how,,there is a better way of digging worms without a shovel but not in all places as he has stated.I think he had the grindstone in the wrong place tho plus a much bigger one then ya had
DetroitMI CKEC
New member
One person cleaning an exhaust system can result in the potential for injury to the cleaner and unnecessary liability to the client and the clients property, quite simply it is unsafe and unethical in all but the most unusual configurations (small ground level systems with wall mount fans and the presence of a business owner or manager).
There are probably many people and perhaps several organizations qualified to train cleaners, what qualifies a certifying body is a topic of great debate that I am certain will be defined by a standard writing or regulating authority in the future. I for one would not want to assume the liability as a trainer without the qualifications, credentials, experience, professional associations, -and- liability insurance specific to training or teaching.
Although you do not require a hot machine minimally pushing 4.0 g.p.m. @ 3000 p.s.i. I would suggest that cleaners possessing such a machine used in most cleaning situations would be more inclined to possess the ability to clean to "bare metal" standards as specified by NFPA 96. I would be inclined to a minimum of 5.0 g.p.m. @ 3000 p.s.i. and it is possible to deliver such volume and pressure "hot" from a portable machine using the available water supply. Brinker apparantly has decided in their experience that their minimum requirement is a distinction of a cleaners ability to clean effectively.
Training and ongoing education lend themselves to credibility and professionalism. It is up to us as professional cleaners to maintain professional associations and certifications, and to seek training and education to promote our trade and raise the bar of professionalism.
There are probably many people and perhaps several organizations qualified to train cleaners, what qualifies a certifying body is a topic of great debate that I am certain will be defined by a standard writing or regulating authority in the future. I for one would not want to assume the liability as a trainer without the qualifications, credentials, experience, professional associations, -and- liability insurance specific to training or teaching.
Although you do not require a hot machine minimally pushing 4.0 g.p.m. @ 3000 p.s.i. I would suggest that cleaners possessing such a machine used in most cleaning situations would be more inclined to possess the ability to clean to "bare metal" standards as specified by NFPA 96. I would be inclined to a minimum of 5.0 g.p.m. @ 3000 p.s.i. and it is possible to deliver such volume and pressure "hot" from a portable machine using the available water supply. Brinker apparantly has decided in their experience that their minimum requirement is a distinction of a cleaners ability to clean effectively.
Training and ongoing education lend themselves to credibility and professionalism. It is up to us as professional cleaners to maintain professional associations and certifications, and to seek training and education to promote our trade and raise the bar of professionalism.
kmjt1021
Member
The minimum requirements for the pressure washer, can also be debated, it has been my experience that accounts cleaned on a regular basis can be cleaned with less. On a three hr job we may only use the pressure washer 20 minute total, most of our time is spent doing the prep work, and letting the chemical work. we only use our bigger pressure washer on new jobs or on jobs where circumstances may require it, for the most part unless I have some flat work to do in conjunction with the exhaust it stays under cover on a trailer outside my shop.
There was a time when I would have agreed with you, but in light of the need to contain and capture my waste water, we started looking into using less water, we now have taken it from 5 gallons a minute to 2.1, of course that drops the pressure, but it still gets the job done, in 90% of the cases
There was a time when I would have agreed with you, but in light of the need to contain and capture my waste water, we started looking into using less water, we now have taken it from 5 gallons a minute to 2.1, of course that drops the pressure, but it still gets the job done, in 90% of the cases
Jon
Member Specialist
Rusty says "We follow all of the NFPA 96 guidelines, we offer certification, and we guarantee you business once you complete your training. We include all of the training manuals necessary."
Rusty a few simple questions:
1: Who certified you?
2: Is your school certified with the state as a teaching institute?
3: Is it NFPA certified?
Now I am not into hood cleaning but if I were to go into that field I would want to be sure the "school" I go to is qualified to teach that subject.
Jon
Rusty a few simple questions:
1: Who certified you?
2: Is your school certified with the state as a teaching institute?
3: Is it NFPA certified?
Now I am not into hood cleaning but if I were to go into that field I would want to be sure the "school" I go to is qualified to teach that subject.
Jon
mbryan
New member
Jon, the problem is there is no main body that certifies exhaust cleaning schools so anyone can become a certifier. The NFPA offers no such certification and anyone can make up a school and certify exhaust cleaners whether they are capable of doing it correctly or not. That's what makes many of these schools suspect. Phil Ackland on the other hand has played an integral part in getting many of the NFPA guidlines for exhaust systems implemented so I tend to lean towards his school even though I have not taken it nor do I know anyone who has.
I am certified by the school of "get your ass in that duct and don't come out till its clean" and until the LA Municipal Code says otherwise thats all me or any of my guys will carry as far as certification goes. Most of the old timers I know will tell you the same thing (yes that includes you Dave
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I am certified by the school of "get your ass in that duct and don't come out till its clean" and until the LA Municipal Code says otherwise thats all me or any of my guys will carry as far as certification goes. Most of the old timers I know will tell you the same thing (yes that includes you Dave
)Matt
Damn I love that town!!! Made my living there for 15 years until the company I washed for decided to get outta dodge and we got stuck in the desart lol.. I can't hardly go near the place these days without whinin but I'll buy you lunch at the Smoke House one of these days. I'm about 30 minutes west of you.
Damn I love that town!!! Made my living there for 15 years until the company I washed for decided to get outta dodge and we got stuck in the desart lol.. I can't hardly go near the place these days without whinin but I'll buy you lunch at the Smoke House one of these days. I'm about 30 minutes west of you.
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
Matt
You are taking much to much time talking about food-We are all waiting for the responce to questions for Rusty.
David
You are taking much to much time talking about food-We are all waiting for the responce to questions for Rusty.
David