Ethics question

Oh Jeez heres the big mystery folks and what Tony is getting at. There is a man over at my forum named Phil Alexander. In the past 6 years of running the forum, I kid you not I have had to delete over 3,000 spam posts of his and deactivate over 11 new accounts he started up. Eventually he ran out of email address and realized that with our FB posting hack he could post all day and we could not ban him (its a little glitch in our module)

I begged and pleaded with Phil for years to stop posting, to stop spamming our forum and each and every time he swore he would. But Phil has no self control and simply could not stop himself from posting and spamming and link bombing. He really needs to be medicated but refuses to stay on his meds.

What you also need to understand is Phil is a vendor and well known for his ridiculous behavior he has been banned from every legitimate window cleaning forum and group for just this type of behavior. You have great business battles Duncan Donuts VS Starbucks, Coke VS Pepsi etc.. If we were in the soda business Phil would be RC Cola. Phil hates pepsi and does nothing but slander, bad mouth and accuse.

So eventually after hours and days of my life have been wasted deleting Phils posts, I told him the next time he posts I would be altering his avatar to be a competitors advertisement. He literally with in 30 minutes posted again a spam link.

So I went ahead and changed his avatar, and what you ya know it worked. Its been 60 days and he hasn't spammed once. So now if he does decide to break his word and our forum rules and post again he will be advertising his most hated competitors product.

You can see that avatar here:

http://windowcleaningresource.com/vBulletin/poles-brushes-wfp-waterfed-pole/15894-new-grease-any-modulars.html

Pretty brilliant if you ask me, I only wish I had thought of it years ago.. I would have days of my life back that I have wasted moderating this lunatic to no end.
 
So I ask you what is more unethical?

To create 3,000 spam posts, 11 fake accounts and to continue to spam on a daily basis after you have been removed hundreds of times?

Or for me to protect my property and finally come up with a solution to keep this man Phil Alexander from trespassing and defacing my property?

And the avatar is clearly a parody, everybody in the window cleaning industry knows how much Phil hates and slanders the product mentioned in the avatar.
 
You got one thing right Jeremy - there is certainly spin going on but it isn't from me. So Jeremy thinks it's ethical to do this. Interesting.
What if you are a nuisance to me or your local competitors. What if they believe you slandered them so they decide to do something unethical or illegal to get back at you.
Chris - the easiest way to have dealt with Phil would have been to require a more stringent sign up on your forum. He would have easily been identified and never gotten back on. Oh and disabling the FB plugin would stop it too. Of course that's if it truly was a hassle.
But let me ask you this because Phil is a nuisance it's OK to do this? So what happens the next time someone gets on Chris' bad side, more doctored photos?
 
Oh and so you don't think this is an isolated case folks next to my avatar and signature on that forum I'm listed as it's biggest fan although I do not endorse or support it in any way. In fact I don't post over there at all. I guess I'm a nuisance because I choose to support others so it's OK to do it right Jeremy?!
 
mistersqueegee said:
Oh and so you don't think this is an isolated case folks next to my avatar and signature on that forum I'm listed as it's biggest fan although I do not endorse or support it in any way. In fact I don't post over there at all. I guess I'm a nuisance because I choose to support others so it's OK to do it right Jeremy?!
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I don't have a dog in this race to be honest, but since you asked my opinion, the easy thing to do is delete all your posts over there if you don't post or go over there at all. That way none of your posts show up.
 
mistersqueegee said:
Chris - the easiest way to have dealt with Phil would have been to require a more stringent sign up on your forum. He would have easily been identified and never gotten back on. Oh and disabling the FB plugin would stop it too. Of course that's if it truly was a hassle.
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Tony you are absurd and clearly have it out for me. Be a man and just call me out if you have a problem, dont make these ridiculous BS posts leading people to conclusions with out facts.

You dont understand the internet. The Facebook Plugin I wrote is one of a kind, we are the only forum in the world that has it. It costs thousands of dollars to make. It allows anyone with a facebook account to comment with out registering and there comments appear right in line with other posts. Why should I have to spend weeks re writing a script and shoveling out thousands of more dollars to implement more stringent security measures because one man off his medication that cant control himself.

Literally he is the only person in the course of a year that feels like he is above the rules and continues to disrespect my property. This man is trespassing on my digital property, and I have every right to defend my self. If this man had trespassed on my physical property at my home, I and many others would have put a gun in his face.

If he was doing this to my house, would you tell me that I need to build a bigger fence and pay out money for a security guard to monitor my property? I mean thats basically what your saying.

And if you want to talk about ethics, why dont we get into how you were fired from my company for theft? And most recently you were busted on my forum for stealing from a manufacturer? You want to get into that? I dont think you do..

You are a laughing stock and a complete joke in the window cleaning industry. You have been cast out everywhere, so now your over here where know one knows what a complete joke you are yet..

You are our biggest fan who's feelings got hurt because yo got cast out for bad behavior, you now spend your time passive aggressively attacking me. It borders on obsession.


Get over yourself and go clean a window.
 
mistersqueegee said:
You got one thing right Jeremy - there is certainly spin going on but it isn't from me. So Jeremy thinks it's ethical to do this. Interesting.
What if you are a nuisance to me or your local competitors. What if they believe you slandered them so they decide to do something unethical or illegal to get back at you.
Chris - the easiest way to have dealt with Phil would have been to require a more stringent sign up on your forum. He would have easily been identified and never gotten back on. Oh and disabling the FB plugin would stop it too. Of course that's if it truly was a hassle.
But let me ask you this because Phil is a nuisance it's OK to do this? So what happens the next time someone gets on Chris' bad side, more doctored photos?
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So your admitting that Phil is a nuisance? If Phil is the problem, why does Chris have to redo his whole forum (which he owns and is free to do whatever he wants with) to handle this nuisance. IF I am reading this correctly, sounds like nothing happens if Phil doesn't do anything. Sounds like he has been warned and sounds to me like the problem is being dealt with accordingly. Why does Chris need to revamp and redo his whole forum just to deal with this nuisance (your words not mine)? Sounds like he has tried already to deal with the problem by changing some things and Phil already went around those boundaries to keep posting when asked and told not to. I am also seeing that this photo only shows up if Phil breaks the rules? Sounds like he handled the problem since Phil hasn't posted there in 60 days. Sounds like Phil is crying because he can't keep on being a "nuisance" (again your own words) and breaking rules or this picture will show up but IF he doesn't break the rules and doesn't post this doesn't show up?
 
Clear Shine said:
So your admitting that Phil is a nuisance? If Phil is the problem, why does Chris have to redo his whole forum (which he owns and is free to do whatever he wants with) to handle this nuisance. IF I am reading this correctly, sounds like nothing happens if Phil doesn't do anything. Sounds like he has been warned and sounds to me like the problem is being dealt with accordingly. Why does Chris need to revamp and redo his whole forum just to deal with this nuisance (your words not mine)? Sounds like he has tried already to deal with the problem by changing some things and Phil already went around those boundaries to keep posting when asked and told not to. I am also seeing that this photo only shows up if Phil breaks the rules? Sounds like he handled the problem since Phil hasn't posted there in 60 days. Sounds like Phil is crying because he can't keep on being a "nuisance" (again your own words) and breaking rules or this picture will show up but IF he doesn't break the rules and doesn't post this doesn't show up?
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So you are ok with me changing your Avatar to say "I LOVE SONITX"?
 
Tony Shelton said:
So you are ok with me changing your Avatar to say "I LOVE SONITX"?
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Do you have a reason to? Have i been chastised on my behavior or continued to ignore the rules and go against PWI's policies? Tony (Shelton) do you own this board? IF the answer to any of those were yes, I would be asking for it or there would be justification. Now, if Ron did it with or without a reasoning, since he owns the board, thats his choice to do, not yours Tony. I really could care less one way or another to be honest, but I haven't done anything to warrant that change. Tony (Iowa Tony) is making it out to be that Chris is just picking on poor Phil but in reality, Phil is the problem and his actions are causing this. If you feel like I am justified in getting my avatar changed (first off, I don't have any beef with you and your not a competitor and if you did, I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it). To be honest, if you changed it I would feel unwelcome here and wouldn't post, which I think is the ultimate goal Chris seems to be going after at the matter at hand.
 
Clear Shine said:
Do you have a reason to? Have i been chastised on my behavior or continued to ignore the rules and go against PWI's policies? Tony (Shelton) do you own this board? IF the answer to any of those were yes, I would be asking for it or there would be justification. Now, if Ron did it with or without a reasoning, since he owns the board, thats his choice to do, not yours Tony. I really could care less one way or another to be honest, but I haven't done anything to warrant that change. Tony (Iowa Tony) is making it out to be that Chris is just picking on poor Phil but in reality, Phil is the problem and his actions are causing this. If you feel like I am justified in getting my avatar changed (first off, I don't have any beef with you and your not a competitor and if you did, I really wouldn't lose any sleep over it). To be honest, if you changed it I would feel unwelcome here and wouldn't post, which I think is the ultimate goal Chris seems to be going after at the matter at hand.
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So two wrongs make a right? OK, I get it now.

This really has become a good ethics thread.

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Tony Shelton said:
So two wrongs make a right? OK, I get it now.

This really has become a good ethics thread.

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Mr Shelton - I dont believe 2 wrongs make a right.

I can take a lot of crap from people and I certainly do.. But there comes a point when enough is enough and I have to defend myself and my property. And also please understand these were not isolated incidents it was 3,000 + posts over the course of a few years. This was a last resort measure. The real question at hand here is why Tony Evans felt the need to involve himself in my business yet again. Hes like some sort of industry hall monitor.
 
That Phil caracter sounds a lot like someone in the pressure washing business, sounds a whole lot like him.
 
Chris WCR said:
Mr Shelton - I dont believe 2 wrongs make a right.

I can take a lot of crap from people and I certainly do.. But there comes a point when enough is enough and I have to defend myself and my property. And also please understand these were not isolated incidents it was 3,000 + posts over the course of a few years. This was a last resort measure. The real question at hand here is why Tony Evans felt the need to involve himself in my business yet again. Hes like some sort of industry hall monitor.
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I wonder if Ron felt "enough was enough" when you falsely accused him of being a drug addict in a public area?

Or if the UAMCC feels "enough is enough" when you call all of us members a "scam" with nothing to back the claim up except conjecture?

One reaps what they sow.

Notice, the "crap" isn't coming from the people you harm with your false claims, it is coming from out in left field where it has nothing to do with Ron or the UAMCC.

Two words might do wonders for the "crap" you are getting from people.


And for the record I don't like innuendo the way Tony started this thread. I would have much rather just seen it put out there naked and bold for everyone to judge for themselves. While I agree with Tony that altering his avatar in the way you did is wrong, I hope Tony keeps that in mind for the future.
 
Good point Tony. I'll do that in the future.

Jeremy at least you answered my question about whether it mattered if the behavior was from a friend of yours. I think I understand you better now.
 
Hilarious!!!!

This is a prime example of people letting others get to them. It's a-holes on the internet being way tougher than they can be in real life, so why waste any time on it? Tony clearly cares because he decided to bring it to this forum which is kinda pathetic.

I think changing his avatar is funny and something I would do, but as the forum admin, you gave yourself the job to deal with the bullshit and that is not really the best way to handle it, but it is your forum so do your thing.
 
mistersqueegee said:
Good point Tony. I'll do that in the future.

Jeremy at least you answered my question about whether it mattered if the behavior was from a friend of yours. I think I understand you better now.
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Tony, not dodging any questions here, so feel free to re-ask me the question and ill be more than happy to answer them. However, I do find it kind of comical you have pretty much only addressed me and put me on the hot seat, so to speak, but you're beef is with Chris, yet I don't see you addressing him much or rebutting anything he has to say. I find it even more funny that you're trying to call my character into question when you're totally avoiding the theft comment. I don't know not do I care what it's about, but I'm glad to know that while someone is accusing you of theft, you can call my character into question lol. Feel free with the questions that i will gladly answer but be prepared for me asking more questions about you.
 
So I get a text this morning wondering how I can be a Christian if I condone Chris and Thad. I don't emven know how Thad is involved in this. Some nut spammed an individuals board after being asked repeatedly not to. He got his avatar changed to his competitors. Problem solved. Don't like the concept of private property?. Take it up with the constitution. A disgruntled former employee brings it up here trying to stir the pot. I don't condone anyone. Never meet this Chris guy or have any idea who he is. I think I talked to Thad once a few years ago but I may be wrong. Bob likes him so he is ok as far as I know. They may both steal money from orphans but that had nothing to do with what went on here. If the concept of this board is to fight the pwna then I am all in. If it istogo after who ever Ron is mad with this week then I tired of the drama. Someone called someone a name. Someone said the uamcc is a scam. Who cares? It probably is. Life goes on. I am sorry if someone took my comments of protecting private property a being unchristian. That was not my intent.
 
offdutyfireman said:
So I get a text this morning wondering how I can be a Christian if I condone Chris and Thad. I don't emven know how Thad is involved in this. Some nut spammed an individuals board after being asked repeatedly not to. He got his avatar changed to his competitors. Problem solved. Don't like the concept of private property?. Take it up with the constitution. A disgruntled former employee brings it up here trying to stir the pot. I don't condone anyone. Never meet this Chris guy or have any idea who he is. I think I talked to Thad once a few years ago but I may be wrong. Bob likes him so he is ok as far as I know. They may both steal money from orphans but that had nothing to do with what went on here. If the concept of this board is to fight the pwna then I am all in. If it istogo after who ever Ron is mad with this week then I tired of the drama. Someone called someone a name. Someone said the uamcc is a scam. Who cares? It probably is. Life goes on. I am sorry if someone took my comments of protecting private property a being unchristian. That was not my intent.
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William, the topic of Thad and Chris is thoroughly covered on the book of II Washers Chapter 6:1-9. As a Christian you should be fully aware of this story. Lolol!

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