EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

Does that stop you being able to make a point in your own words?

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Hinders my ability to train; for most of the viewers this is educational.

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Robert this forum and those involved have provided more education to contractors around the globe than anything other five things combined.

We actually have water authority folks on the site.

National cleaning expo at each event had multiple speakers from authority and enforcement on multiple occasions.

We where the first group in 25 years to have regular guest speakers for our industry associated with this matter.

Please don't tell me in 79 you had someone, I've followed it. Robert it's only ever been you in the last ten years and or some other close associate of yours.

I'm curious why a national association wouldn't have this? Oh because the knowledge is free. These people are public servants. That would have been a problem, as Nce knows we where not allowed to charge anyone for listening to these valuable speakers per the rules of municipality's


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You know me well Robert.. I always try to help where I can. You may be at the maximum amount of attachments in your profile..

Go to the settings on top of this page. Press that. Then go all the way down to the lower left and you will see attachments. Press that. The should be in chronological order from oldest to newest. If your at the maximum attachments allowed some bb's show a bar there that full. If this one doesn't try deleting maybe 10 old attachments by checking of the little box or check off the box that checks the whole page for you and press delete.

Once done now try posting with a picture attachment or whatever your trying to attach. See if that works.

I thought I would never have to say this to you Robert --- but I hope this helps(smile)
 
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I get it now.

I know that PWI members are more than capable of understanding the written word so I couldn't understand the cartoons.

These men on here are professional power washers, many of which have to deal with a variety of laws and provide employees with income and food on their table. These are intelligent men who are more than willing to soak up any information you can provide that has any value.

I don't know who your audience is Robert, but apparently you think they area so ignorant they must be taught with cartoons.
 
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A good teacher utilizes the economy of words. The inundation of your attachments seems more like indoctrination than education to me.
 
You know me well Robert.. I always try to help where I can. You may be at the maximum amount of attachments in your profile..

Go to the settings on top of this page. Press that. Then go all the way down to the lower left and you will see attachments. Press that. The should be in chronological order from oldest to newest. If your at the maximum attachments allowed some bb's show a bar there that full. If this one doesn't try deleting maybe 10 old attachments by checking of the little box or check off the box that checks the whole page for you and press delete.

Once done now try posting with a picture attachment or whatever your trying to attach. See if that works.

I thought I would never have to say this to you Robert --- but I hope this helps(smile)

John:

Does not show that to be he case.
 
A good teacher utilizes the economy of words. The inundation of your attachments seems more like indoctrination than education to me.

I do not agree with you, but you certainly have the right to your opinion.

Thanks
 
John:

Does not show that to be he case.
Tony's a Mod here. He can look into it for you or you can PM one of the admins here(past or present)... If no one wants to help you Robert then it means you had the "screws" put on you.

Sorry I couldn't help you anymore on this. Let me know how it works out for ya.
 
Robert this forum and those involved have provided more education to contractors around the globe than anything other five things combined.

We actually have water authority folks on the site.

National cleaning expo at each event had multiple speakers from authority and enforcement on multiple occasions.

We where the first group in 25 years to have regular guest speakers for our industry associated with this matter.

Please don't tell me in 79 you had someone, I've followed it. Robert it's only ever been you in the last ten years and or some other close associate of yours.

I'm curious why a national association wouldn't have this? Oh because the knowledge is free. These people are public servants. That would have been a problem, as Nce knows we where not allowed to charge anyone for listening to these valuable speakers per the rules of municipality's


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You are entitled to your opinion but you are wrong.

More was done by PWNA between 1992 and 1999 than all of your combined effort to date. After that PWNA went in another direction for while. That was one of the reasons why UAMCC was born.

Except for Oregon, that is why you cannot hardly find a single document that does not have some part copied from PWNA, which was me. It was not that I was so intelligent and foresightful, but that I was the first in time with a national effort that was searchable on the internet.

The base of most of these ordinances took place between 1995 and 1999; a few were done between 1990 and 1995. Then there was a lull until Phase II kicked in.

At the front end a little effort goes a long way. After that it takes a lot of effort to change things. That is where we are now. It will take more than 20 times the effort now than it did in the beginning to change things.

The biggest results for the least effort is at the starting point, and UAMCC, NCE, etc. were not born yet.

That is not to down grade your effort now, but to give an accurate record of what happened.
 
Tony's a Mod here. He can look into it for you or you can PM one of the admins here(past or present)... If no one wants to help you Robert then it means you had the "screws" put on you.

Sorry I couldn't help you anymore on this. Let me know how it works out for ya.

Nobody put the screws on anybody here John. The last lone ranger to tamper with threads or abuse their position was eradicated when your controls were removed. I haven't been able to upload a new picture here in at least two years. Mine are all links to outside pics

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Nobody put the screws on anybody here John. The last lone ranger to tamper with threads or abuse their position was eradicated when your controls were removed. I haven't been able to upload a new picture here in at least two years. Mine are all links to outside pics

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Thank you.
 
I get it now.

I know that PWI members are more than capable of understanding the written word so I couldn't understand the cartoons.

These men on here are professional power washers, many of which have to deal with a variety of laws and provide employees with income and food on their table. These are intelligent men who are more than willing to soak up any information you can provide that has any value.

I don't know who your audience is Robert, but apparently you think they area so ignorant they must be taught with cartoons.

For you Tony:

Who is an Environmentalist?

Everybody is an “Environmentalist”! However, how one interprets that is usually based on how it affects their “economic revenue stream” (income, wages, business revenue). This also includes Contract Cleaners.



An Environmental Regulator brought this information to my attention. Example: A large segment of the “Coin-op car wash industry” believes that home owners should not be exempt for car washing discharge to storm sewer as this creates a large source of pollution to our storm sewers. This also holds true for charities (churches, girl scouts, boy scouts, etc). Because of Political Activity by the Coin-Op Car Wash Association (with a $500,000.00 budget) the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board banned charity washing during February of 2001.
 
You are entitled to your opinion but you are wrong.

More was done by PWNA between 1992 and 1999 than all of your combined effort to date. After that PWNA went in another direction for while. That was one of the reasons why UAMCC was born.

Except for Oregon, that is why you cannot hardly find a single document that does not have some part copied from PWNA, which was me. It was not that I was so intelligent and foresightful, but that I was the first in time with a national effort that was searchable on the internet.

The base of most of these ordinances took place between 1995 and 1999; a few were done between 1990 and 1995. Then there was a lull until Phase II kicked in.

At the front end a little effort goes a long way. After that it takes a lot of effort to change things. That is where we are now. It will take more than 20 times the effort now than it did in the beginning to change things.

The biggest results for the least effort is at the starting point, and UAMCC, NCE, etc. were not born yet.

That is not to down grade your effort now, but to give an accurate record of what happened.

The term "more was done" is certainly a matter of opinion. When someone says "more was done" that can certainly mean two different things. For the Good or For the Bad, and in some cases "more was done of nothing". Maybe you've heard the old saying, ' I have never seen anybody do more of nothing than....."

I can only speak from experience Robert on this, but I can certainly say that "more was done" for the good(and continues) to be done here in Houston by Ron than anyone else that I know of. I know the PWNA, and yourself, had involvement here in Houston as far back as 2007, yet it took Ron coming here a couple times before anyone ever was able to help us, much less even listen to us.

I understand that in 2011 after your visit here for one of the Environmental Seminars that the Police Department put's on, your " reasonable, rational, and logical conclusion" was that Houston didn't have a problem.

So understand when I hear people say no one has done more for our industry than you, or I see you say more was done by the PWNA....etc etc.....my take on that is "more was done" of nothing. I just don't get it or see it.

That's my opinion and I am right.
 
For you Tony:

Who is an Environmentalist?

Everybody is an “Environmentalist”! However, how one interprets that is usually based on how it affects their “economic revenue stream” (income, wages, business revenue). This also includes Contract Cleaners.



An Environmental Regulator brought this information to my attention. Example: A large segment of the “Coin-op car wash industry” believes that home owners should not be exempt for car washing discharge to storm sewer as this creates a large source of pollution to our storm sewers. This also holds true for charities (churches, girl scouts, boy scouts, etc). Because of Political Activity by the Coin-Op Car Wash Association (with a $500,000.00 budget) the San Diego Regional Water Quality Control Board banned charity washing during February of 2001.

Robert, you are taking the absolute worst example of business leadership and holding it up as an example that is the norm in this industry.

Allow me to rephrase what you said above in a way so that even your audience of cartoon students can understand what you have said:

"Everybody is an environmentalist as long as it doesn't cost them anything" then you go on to lump "contract cleaners" into this "fake" environmentalist group.

Shame on you. That may be the way you do business, but it is certainly not the way I, nor anyone I associate with does business.

As far as I, personally, am concerned, I couldn't care less if we have to vacuum up every drop of water. I have streamlined my (and my son's) business, to the point where anything short of an all out ban of powerwashing would leave me virtually untouched. Even if powerwashing were completely banned I have a backup plan for that! We have the income to deal with any BMP's you can throw at us and already own the equipment to deal with it should it be necessary. Debt free, I might add.

My time working on this here is for one purpose only - to pay back all these contractors who have had roundtables and had an open ear on the phone and spent time posting on this forum that have helped me with the answers I needed to make my business bulletproof.

I don't have an "economic revenue stream" the comes from promoting or fighting against these regulations like you do sir. Neither does Ron.

We want these contractors to succeed.

I want the new guy with a strong back, a good moral compass and a desire to build a business that serves others to succeed.

I want the American who lost everything he had in the real estate crash to be able to pick up a home depot power washer, give it their best shot, and if he has the determination and the wits to succeed, and the open mind to learn from others in the trade, and the discipline to upgrade his equipment to do the right thing.......I want him to succeed.

Robert, I want the guy who does a better job than me, for a better price than me, to put me out of business if I slack off and can't compete because of laziness or an unwillingness to change as needed.

On the other hand I would love to see the "coin op" car wash industry completely fail for the backhanded crooked way they chose to "force" consumers to buy their product. If they could make their product compete with a front yard wash, then by all means they should succeed.

I haven't washed a car in years. I won't even go through one of those nasty neglected coin op cesspools.

I'd much rather pay a lot more and sit back and read a newspaper while four guys clean my car like new. I don't have to wish anything on the coin-op industry, they are going the way of the blacksmith anyway. They brought it upon themselves if they are guilty of what your "regulator" reported to you.

Crooked business only looks like success for a while. Eventually the ugly face of failure comes from behind the mask.

Maybe you could learn more about this if you asked some of your associates in the PW#A why they are suing each other all the time?

We don't need to "force" customers to use our product. Most of us could make a great living at this work if we weren't being bombarded with regulations based on nothing more than some remote chance that what we are cleaning might do some harm to the waterways when 90% of the time what we are cleaning is completely harmless and 100% of the time (in my case) is dealt with in a responsible manner.

No one I know would ever dump anything anywhere that might harm our environment. It is you and your wacko followers who make claims like "one drop of caustic will kill all the organisms in the sewer" and who plaster picture after picture of "worst case scenarios" in cleaning to try to make it look like we would all be polluters if only given the chance.

WELL YOU ARE WRONG MR HINDERLITER.

Maybe you should quit drawing on your own business experience and stop projecting them on to others. We are not like that.

Do you know how many guys have been to wash water control seminars just to learn how to deal with contaminants using sensible and effective measures? These guys aren't so much concerned about getting fined as they are concerned about JUST DOING THE RIGHT THING!

Do you know how many of us have flown thousands of miles to learn how to control any pollution we may be called to deal with?

I'm not talking about guys coming to your class for $500 because you've scared the bejesus out of them and claim you've got the magic formula to keep them from getting fined out of business.

I'm talking about guys who have voluntarily traveled across country to learn how to more effectively keep the environment clean!

If disgusts me to hear you claim that we, as an industry, only care about the environment to the point that it doesn't cost us any money to protect it.

Keep that junk to your own little group that subscribes to that kind of thinking. The same little group who would turn in any other contractor who is doing a good job cleaning and a good job keeping the environment clean, but happens to disrupt YOUR "economic revenue stream" by doing a better job than you!

This has become sickening.
 
Structural BMP's at a gas station - No Off-Property Discharge, No Requirements under CWA.

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I want the new guy with a strong back, a good moral compass and a desire to build a business that serves others to succeed

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Hey Robert maybe it's time to let these guys here do whatever it is that they want to do. You have the respect of many who know all the hard work you have done.. Including creating 2 orgs. It looks like hypocrisy the guys giving you the least amount of respect show off your org. The UAMCC logo the most.

They obviously do not want to work with all you have done. Let then reinvent the wheel if there so inclined. Let them do the work. If it's legitimate we'll all know soon enough. If it's just computer "Pipe dreaming" there will be no difference next year like there was no difference last year. Guys just tooting there horn but wherever you look on your own there is nothing there.

It's all about "I'm right your wrong" ego talk anyway. Just look a few post up.

They got something to prove.. Then don't work with them.. Let them go out and prove it. It's put up or shut up in the grand scheme of things anyway.

Cya in Vegas.
 
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